GsTexas wrote:
That's right John, eternal security is found all throughout the New Testament, and not just ambiguous parables like cults resort to. Also consider this text:
John 14:2 "In my fathers house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you."
So if you can lose your salvation, does Jesus commission the angelic demolition team to tear down your mansion, then rebuild it if you confess and repent again?

Myths, fables, old wives tales. What does the Bible teach. The way you sneer at the teachings of Jesus to call them "ambiguous parables that cults refer to" -- is wicked. There's no other word for it.

John UK wrote:
Ah yes, the peace of God, and peace with God.
How can anyone who believes that the God they serve might one day damn them for some small fault have peace at all is beyond me. I would be fretting all day long, and every five minutes saying sorry Lord.
It is great to have arrived at doctrine by a multitude of texts throughout the new testament on this subject. They are not isolated texts, like the cults use, but everywhere found in the Bible. It is this that convinces me, brother. Line upon line, precept upon precept, stacking up into a solid wall of truth, which cannot be gainsaid.

You admit you care not for your "small faults." You are supposed to care, and Jesus told his own disciples that they were all going to go to Hell if they didn't get over their pride because they were arguing over who was the greatest. Attitudes. God does see everything and we don't have a KKK sheet over us to protect us from God's eyes. Ever. He knows all our motives, and we will give an account for every idle word.

Fear of God is the BEGINNING of wisdom.

John UK wrote:
But then, until she believes the gospel, she will hate and persecute the saints.

Not Calvinists preaching a logical system of license to sin guaranteed to kill the conscience and quell any fear of God, to drive out the Holy Spirit from any new believer they can corrupt with their heresies, or to get talked into reading a Pink book or whatever.

Your Gospel of TULIP and the bloodless atonement that covers people's sins over so "God can't see them" (a lie), and pays for all sins in advance so there's no way to miss out on Heaven (another lie), no matter what you do.

Nice deal for a gangsta or a thief or a cheat or a Freemason or a Joel Osteen or a Joyce Meyer.

John UK wrote:
That is another lie. Man alive, you're sure stacking them up. No wonder you're beginning to doubt your salvation. You yourself are a big sinner, and you don't know it yet. But when the Spirit is come upon you, he will convict you of sin, and righteousness and judgment to come. Until then, carry on lying like the unregenerate person you are.
Me, I don't have any such doubts of salvation, because the Lord Jesus has done all things well. They called him Jesus, "because he SHALL save his people FROM THEIR SINS."

that sounds like bragging to me. As in those bumper stickers, saying "I'm a Christian, not different, just forgiven."

This is rot gut. This is not Biblical, not in any possible way.

If you are chief of sinners, you need to shut your mouth and go read your Bible and pray and ask God to please help you. Don't tell anybody you are a Christian, God forbid. Don't wear a cross or have any bumper stickers. Don't embarrass God, okay?

GsTexas wrote:
CAB, I'm not getting into it with you today. I did look into what Dan Corner teaches, and its clear you just parrot what he believes. You believe in works righteousness, which the RCC also teaches, so that is why I made the comparison.
Romans 4:4-5 "Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."

Yes, actually real righteousness is what a Christian should have. Real, not imagined, not some imputed sheet that you put over your head like KKK to cover up your face and the evil person underneath, like God can't see under the sheet?

I know that's what Calvinism teaches, that God goes blind and can't see those sins once he pounds on Jesus on your behalf. Such stupid and unscriptural lies.

I'm not blaming people here for believing this stuff -- because it's what the churches are teaching. I'm trying to wake you up. It's lies.

Jesus said, The truth will set you free.

John UK wrote:
Yes I am a big nobody sinner WHO HAS BEEN SAVED BY THE GRACE OF GOD, and God now worketh in me to will and to do according to his good pleasure.
Your problem is that you CANNOT understand the very basics of the Christian life. You want to blow your trumpet and tell everyone you've given everything to God and so you're saved by that. Yet Jesus says NOT to blow your big trumpet. And that even if you do everything commanded by God perfectly, you should say, "I am an unprofitable servant, I have done merely that which I was ordered to do."

Being a helpless sinner and robot is not what Christianity is about. At all. You are the one blowing a big trumpet and bragging you are a helpless blob of a sinner, greatest sinner of all, blah blah.

Disgusting.

So is your bloodless atonement doctrine. So is your dodging and weaving,changing your colors faster than Fox News background scenery. What a hoot, always saying you are not a Calvinist when you are a rabid 5-pointer who believes in bloodless atonement on top.

GsTexas wrote:
Figures CAB would defend John Y and the Catholic church, seeing as..cultic Dan Corner beliefs are basically the same as the works righteousness garbage the RCC teaches.

Even JYurich says the RCC is off the mark doctrinally. He's not defending Catholic doctrine, and neither am I.

I'm not saying I agree that he should go to RC church, but then I don't agree people on here should be going to the Calvinist church or listening to Calvinist teachings either, or reading Institutes, or Pink, all that heretical damnable stuff that is going to take people straight into Hell.

I just said that I respect John Y for being honest about his beliefs, compared to UK John who claims he's not a Calvinist, when he's a 5 pointer who believes in a bloodless atonement on top of it.

Lurker wrote:
.. the blood of Christ cleanses of all past sin upon conversion (justification) but from that point forward (sanctification) he is responsible to resist sin and remain spotless..... the blood of Christ is of no more help after justification.
Is that it, CAB? If so, is there any remedy for post conversion sin? Or is hell the only remedy?

Our sins are not all paid in advance, and even past sins can be put back, such as Jesus taught if we do not forgive others when we were forgiven so much then all sins we were formerly forgiven will get put back to our account ten-fold.

I've said this before. Do people not want to hear because these are hard sayings, and they prefer sweet lies instead?

John UK wrote:
Thank you Brother US. I will tell you who I really am. I am a big nobody sinner who has been saved by the grace of God and whom God is preserving in faith until he chooses to take me home. I am almost the chief of sinners, and I glorify God continually that his grace is all sufficient to save a wretch like me. It is God that worketh in me, to will and to do, according to his good purpose.

You are on here slandering Christians, parked under the bridge, spreading damnable heresies, and you don't glorify God to say claim to be a robot.

But you flatter yourself and so does Penny if you think you invented this bloodless atonement doctrine by yourself -- because it is the logical conclusion for anyone who's told they are OSAS, that all their sins are paid for in advance.

John UK wrote:
And the answer to my question? Thank you.

I assume this is the article you speak of, which is the statement of belief.

As I said, you are the one who promotes the bloodless atonement, you are the heretic. Anybody can go to this website and see Dan Corner is into the blood atonement all the way, as am I.

The Bible teaches blood atonement, not totally depraved helpless blobs of evil getting picked out of a hat, and then Jesus being personally punished by WRATH OF GOD on the cross and later in Hell, to punish Jesus INDIVIDUALLY for EACH and EVERY SIN all "chosen" totally depraved blobs would ever commit in the future or (if before the cross) had already committed in the past.

The fact is that it is the BLOOD, not the WRATH OF GOD, that saves us. The blood of Jesus is all-sufficient, one drop, a FINISHED sacrifice for the sins of the world and beyond.

Why? Because of WHO JESUS IS. Because Jesus is wonderful, HE IS GOD, he holds our atoms together. Because Jesus is holy, he is good, he is perfect. He is the LORD.

John UK wrote:
I arrived at TULIP before I'd even heard of it. This was because I'd read the Bible through twice before really attending church. There are no false doctrines in TULIP, it is fully biblically based and proven. Apparently it was formulated by men in response to Jacob Arminius, who turned from God's sovereignty to a man-centred religion. He was in grievous error.
Oh and I haven't read The Institutes BTW, so you can cease telling lies about that, even though you've picked that up off Dan Corner.
But this atonement. What does Dan teach you about the atonement of Christ, from his article The Plan of Salvation? I ask, because I couldn't find anything about the vicarious sacrifice of atonement of Jesus Christ anywhere in the article. Thank you.

John Yurich USA wrote:
None of you Evangelical Protestants on here will agree with Francis statement about abortion being horrific because a Pope made that statement. And considering you Evangelical Protestants have an irrational pathological hatred for the Catholic Church. You Evangelical Protestants have such a hatred for the Catholic Church that when the Catholic Church states 2+2=4 you guys disagree and state it equals 5 just to avoid agreeing with the Catholic Church on anything. I agree with you guys that there are some unscriptural doctrines in the Catholic Church. But it is illogical for you guys to have such a pathological hatred for the Catholic Church.

John UK wrote:
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The first prayer you need is, "God be merciful to me, a sinner.

As I said before, the exposition of that prayer is, "God be propitious to me, a sinner."
The only way God can forgive you is through a blood sacrifice, a propitiation for sin. This is the atoning sacrifice which is sadly missing from your "evangelical outreach" website and Cornerism.

StevenR wrote:
CAB- I was concerned when you posted "...wicked programming devised by (mostly Jewish) programmers bent on distracting and corrupting the goyim."
This is typical neo-Nazi propaganda, and I do not see how someone who is claiming the name of Christ, the Jewish Messiah, can spout. Please correct me if I somehow misunderstood.

When it comes to religion I rate false religions in this order worst to best: Judaism, Satanism, Freemasonry, Mormonism, Calvinism, Catholicism, Name it/Claim it TBN, Scientology, UFOlogy, Eastern (Confucionism/Buddism/Hinduism), Islam, SDA, Arminian Biblical Christianity.

I put Judaism as hands-down worst because Talmudic Kabalist (Zohar) Judaism is the mother of Satanic religions and secret societies and is the most pointed and militant in its hatred of Jesus and (successful) dedication to blotting out Christians and the name of Jesus from the earth. Adherents and supporters of Zionist Judaism are spearhead of NWO.

Elise wrote:
My Dear Dolores, I hope you don't think I meant you when I mentioned "newbies" in my earlier comment , far from it, I was meaning those with names I haven't seen before storming in not willing to accept others views or willing to learn or debate in a Christian way. You, like Frank, John uk, Dorcas, Anne, and many more have words of wisdom for us all and a blessing to many on SA.

If nobody likes you and wants to post with you, then create imaginary friends and just talk to them, and make sure you keep reviling and slinging the word "liar, liar, liar, liar."

Real Christian place here.

I pray God will multiply my efforts here for good, in whatever way he can find to do it.

Neil wrote:
If TV is bad for everyone, then what makes the Internet any different.

There's a huge difference: TV is a passive, brain massaging tool, with slick ads and wicked programming devised by (mostly Jewish) programmers bent on distracting and corrupting the goyim. TV is Satan's best, most useful tool to brainwash, program, distract, hypnotize (by flicker rate and other hypnotic techniques perfected over the millenia). People slip into a TV trance in a matter of seconds, and all kinds of horrific lies and corrupting ideas are planted in the subconscious, without a sideways glance by the conscious mind. That's brainwashing.

TV is all lies, fake. The talk, dress, story lines, and once you get away from it for awhile, it shows itself for the repulsive medium it is, same with radio.

Internet is different. It's worse and better than TV, because there's unbelievable filth and lies and occult stuff on the Net, but also fabulous useful and edifying information. The user is responsible for whatever he chooses to do or learn, can share his own knowledge and experience. The net is a wonderful tool to edify oneself and others, and evangelize.

Unprofitable Servant wrote:
No one who regularly posts on these boards does not believe one should examine themselves whether they be in faith or make our calling and election sure.

He said I give unto the eternal life and they shall never perish. He said all that the Father gives to Me shall come and he that comes I will in no wise cast out.

The Bible has no contradictions and God doesn't change his mind or his doctrines, and Jesus is the same yesterday today and forever -- so that means we harmonize these verses, not pick and choose which ones we like and which ones we don't like.

So how do you propose to harmonize these scriptures?

Mike wrote:
If you believe you can be saved, then not saved, you're illogical, for eternal life by definition cannot be granted temporarily.

Our seal is the Holy Spirit, and if we grieve, quench, insult the Spirit away, and we die dry as 5 of the 10 virgins, then we will miss Heaven (aka go to Hell).

The soul that sinneth, it shall die. That's what the Bible is for, so we can read the examples of others and the warnings and teachings, so we can build our house (our life) on the rock, the Word of God, not on shifting sand (wishes and dreams and old wives tales and guesses and the (il)logic of Plato or Calvin). If we build our house on the latest pop Christianity fads, or the old pop Christianity fads, any man-made doctrines as Jesus said "traditions of men" -- our house will come crashing down as Jesus said, and "Great will be the fall of it."

Anne wrote:
Growing up SDA, who believe as CAB does that you can loose your salvation, I can understand the descent..

We are told to examine ourselves to see if we be in the faith. There are so many warnings and teachings in the Bible, and I don't understand people on here insisting that to take heed, study what God says, try to obey and follow as the wise man who built his house on the Word, that to do so means you're a bad person, not saved, and teaching heresies.

It's all ludicrous. And SDA people don't even believe Hell exists, but if they have a fear of God and of sin then they are more Christian than the Calvinists who think they got picked out of a hat and can never be lost no matter what. (Remember the serial killer BTK or whatever, whose Lutheran pastor insisted he was a "good Christian?")

GsTexas wrote:
Too bad Miano didn't learn meekness from Ray Comfort.

He convinces you you are a sinner, and then if you say the prayer now he guarantees you can do the same sins you did before but you're going to Heaven no matter what.

Calvinist rot-gut.

Total depravity means no hope, helpless.
Unconditional election means God picks totally depraved people out of a hat to save.
Limited Atonement means God punishes Jesus for each and every sin the chosen person will ever commit in the future, all paid in advance.
Irresistable Grace - Since we are totally depraved we need to get picked out of a hat, it's the only way, and it means "Chosen."
Perseverence/Preservation of Saints - Means culmination of points 1 through 4, the inevitable culmination. We all know that if punishment has been meted out once, that's all it takes, and Limited Atonement says all sins were paid in advance for the chosen totally depraved blobs picked out of a hat.