One thing is for sure, he really is a Protestant Pope to some.
Indeed. And Spurgeon must be the fourth member of the Trinity. If God foreordains everything that ever happens, then Ecclesiastes 9:11 is a ridiculous statement and every verse that commands men to choose between one thing and another is a mockery. There are at least as many scriptures that indicate that man has a free will as there are those that suggest that he may not. The biggest problem among Christians is that most get their theology from other men and not directly from the Word of God.
Hi Connor, and thanks for posting up the quote. I see what you mean.
It reminded me of when I first posted on the forum, and I used to refer to Mr Spurgeon as Inglesi (he's English), Mr Calvin as Frenchy (he's French) and Dr Lloyd-Jones as Taffy (he's Welsh). I got into all sorts of trouble for doing that.
But I was rather tired of hearing the names of men and hardly ever heard of Jesus in the churches, which was why I did it.
However, I eventually realised that folks were being upset by what they perceived as mocking, so I had to desist, especially as a lot of folks thought I was opposed to the doctrines of grace.
The article you quoted certainly is mocking, and most unpalatable, and yes, its design is to channel the unwary into being opposed to Mr Calvin's thoughts, simply by peer pressure, rather than serious theological thought.
So the question is what? Has God eternally decreed all events, or does he wait for the actual time and then make decisions?
Well, when I consider that God lives outside of time, I must say the former. But I would be at a loss to explain it.
One thing is for sure, he really is a Protestant Pope to some. ___
Frank, yes I fully agree with what you say. Thanks.
I might not agree with your arguments in total, but I agree with them in principle. Free will is a theological argument that has no place in witnessing or even with our walk with the Lord. IOW, mankind was not created robots and I must understand that in order for me to ‚Äúserve the Lord‚ÄĚ. To conduct our Christian walks without believing or at least acting like we have free will may be true but it is not pragmatic. When I witness to someone, I must assume they have the will to say yes or no. At the same time, if they accept the gospel, then it was simply because our Lord quickened their spirits, so they can understand; all Him. If they don‚Äôt accept it, then I assume the Lord didn‚Äôt call or quicken them; all Him. None of mankind can come to the Lord without His persuasive prompting and His quickening.
All of us can list scriptures, pro and con.
Joshua 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Frankie also believes in mixing bad politics in with Christianity, this little piece is an answer to Frankie.
Mark Labberton, President of Fuller Seminary wrote: ..... The word "evangelical" has morphed from being commonly used to describe a set of theological and spiritual commitments into a passionately defended, theo-political brand. Worse, that brand has become synonymous with social arrogance, ignorance and prejudice ‚ÄĒ all antithetical to the gospel of Jesus Christ. Balmer's claims, [See (‚ÄúUnder Trump, evangelicals show their true racist colors,‚ÄĚ http://tinyurl.com/yczpp8ov ]while not new, are deservedly painful for millions of white evangelicals who are deeply offended by racism, repelled by Trump, and who vocally deny the false theo-political brand that co-opts the faith we hold dear.
CBS News wrote: ..." There will be people who will watch this interview and they'll think to themselves, 'Hazing has been happening for decades.' What hope is there really that it's ever gonna end? It's an unstoppable problem," Dokoupil pointed out.
"Well, if we don't do something, it definitely is not gonna end," Gerry said.
They've joined with the Coffeys and more than a dozen other surviving families to form PUSH, Parents United to Stop Hazing. It includes the Piazza family, whose son Tim died last winter at Penn State. Together they are rallying for justice.
"How do you break the cycle?" Dokoupil asked.
"Accountability and education," Tom said. "A federal statute has to be written that goes from the top, you know, where the national fraternity is at risk, as well as the local chapter. And then education to high school students."
"Johnny Calvin (The Protestant Pope of a Pope hating people!) taught that all of God‚Äôs decrees are ‚Äėeternal‚Äô (i.e. made BEFORE Gen 1v1) & unconditional! Here are seven of God‚Äôs decrees that were NOT ‚Äėeternal‚Äô at all, & they were all conditioned on FREE WILL‚Ä¶ (Oh dear Johnny!)
Jer 38v17 Then said Jeremiah unto Zedekiah, Thus saith the LORD, the God of hosts, the God of Israel; If thou wilt assuredly go forth unto the king of Babylon's princes, then thy soul shall live, and this city shall not be burned with fire; and thou shalt live, and thine house: (Oh dear Johnny!)
2 Kings 13v19 And the man of God was wroth with him, and said, Thou shouldest have smitten five or six times; then hadst thou smitten Syria till thou hadst consumed it: whereas now thou shalt smite Syria but thrice. (Oh dear Johnny!)
Deut 25v19 Therefore it shall be, when the LORD thy God hath given thee rest from all thine enemies round about, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance to possess it, that thou shalt blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven; thou shalt not forget it. (Oh dear Johnny!)
Jon 3v4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall (Oh dear Johnny!)"
Dr. Tim wrote: John, I noticed that you quoted Isaiah 45:22. Shouldn't you insert an asterisk after the world "all" so that you can add a footnote to demonstrate that the sovereign God doesn't really mean "all," but only some very small portion of all, or, if you will, some smaller all within the all?
Dr Tim, I never mess about with the dynamite.
Luke 2:8-11 KJV (8)¬† And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. (9)¬† And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. (10)¬† And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. (11)¬† For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
The Lord knows what he does, and I rest content with that.
John, I noticed that you quoted Isaiah 45:22. Shouldn't you insert an asterisk after the world "all" so that you can add a footnote to demonstrate that the sovereign God doesn't really mean "all," but only some very small portion of all, or, if you will, some smaller all within the all?
Dr. Tim thank you for the response, sorry that I misunderstood your remarks, but if you are referring to solely Christians, in regard for the fishing for arguments, how could we "debate" (term used loosely) doctrinal differences?
John Uk, the idea sounds good, I'll post a portion of it, and those quotes and the attitude I gave run almost through the rather large article. Give me about 30min
Yolanda from AZ says... The greater portion of donations was given to the Gay Rights movement.
"Adobe American Cancer Society American Express AT&T Avon Bank of America Bath & Body Works Ben & Jerry‚Äôs Clorox Converse Deutsche Bank Dockers Energizer Expedia ExxonMobil Fannie Mae Groupon Intuit Johnson & Johnson La Senza Levi Strauss Liberty Mutual Macy‚Äôs March of Dimes Microsoft
Morgan Stanley Nike Oracle PepsiCo Pfizer Progressive Starbucks Susan G. Komen Tostitos Unilever United Way
Verizon Wells Fargo"
Question for all...
Should we buy the products that these companies sell? Would we be supporting the wickedness that they support?
Conner, it looks like your comment was directed at me so I will respond. I am not sure how you access this site but if you use a computer you can click on the magnifying glass next to my name to verify. In none of my comments did I reference the doctrine of sotetiology. I actually believe in particular redemption. The discussion on man and freewill was from Watcher not me. I said man‚Äôs will was in bondage to his nature. Although I did not cite Nebuchadnezzar, I did say Pharosh and Cyrus were examples of exceptions to God‚Äôs normal dealing with men and freely acknowledge that He can deal with any person any way He wishes. I have never asserted that men control God. I have stated and shown from Scripture that God does not predestine all the actions of every man. Hope that clarifies things
Dr. Tim wrote: BTW, John, I really dug that "armchair theologians" bit. May I have your permission to add that to my arsenal of snarky comments?
If there's space left in your snarky folder, sure you can.
Many are the times you have made me laugh with your humour. I appreciate it bro, in these dark and serious times.
Yolanda wrote: Dr. Tim. I am moved by your testimony. As for myself, I was so in the dark I did not realize that my complete life was lived making desperate choices. Total pragmatism. It was when I saw how lovely this Christ was/is, and how good God had been/and is to me, I was given the spirit of repentance to gaze upon his holiness. Praise God the gaze continues to this day. God bless you henceforth.
Yolanda, those words are most wonderful and heart-warming. Oh yes! Jesus Christ the Lord is most lovely, and worthy of all adoration and praise. And our God is so good to have put up with us in our darkness and rebellion, till he revealed his holiness and purity to our sight, drawing out repentance, leading to a new life in Jesus.
Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth, for I am God and there is none else.
John Y made an erroneous comment concerning sinners being saved by free will, using God's word, I corrected that comment. Tim, you added a sarcastic reply, you were offended by the truth of God's word from Eph. 2:8,9 Now the two of you have double teamed against me, turning it all back on me. You both should be ashamed of yourselves.
Again, IF either of you can show, from God's word, any error I have given, then do so.
Grow up and act like the mature men of God you both claim to be!! The maturity level of some who post incessantly here is frightening. It resembles a grade school facebook page at times. How the Lord of glory must be grieved at what gets posted here, bravery behind a keyboard with little thought given to another human being at whom the comment is directed. God's truth maligned in favor of unwarranted attacks...is it any wonder that, by and large, 'Christianity' has little impact on the culture? As if that weren't bad enough, many do not even have the Gospel right! May God have mercy.....
Youth in Asia wrote: It's like Planned Parenthood owns America.
As of 2015 United Way Worldwide does not dictate funding decisions to local United Ways. ... In many of these instances, funding for Planned Parenthood is the result of specific requests from individual donors. No United Way funds are currently used, or have ever been used to support abortion services. However, because donations of individual company employees are not earmarked specifically to a cause, UW decides who gets funded. I attended their awards ceremony; maybe 10? yrs ago. The greater portion of donations was given to the Gay Rights movement.
Adobe American Cancer Society American Express AT&T Avon Bank of America Bath & Body Works Ben & Jerry‚Äôs Clorox Converse Deutsche Bank Dockers Energizer Expedia ExxonMobil Fannie Mae Groupon Intuit Johnson & Johnson La Senza Levi Strauss Liberty Mutual Macy‚Äôs March of Dimes Microsoft
Morgan Stanley Nike Oracle PepsiCo Pfizer Progressive Starbucks Susan G. Komen Tostitos Unilever United Way
Verizon Wells Fargo
Our children, entering the workforce, must be informed of where their money goes. Church leaders need to know also.
Dr. Tim wrote: Yes, John, and I was one such person--an atheistic mocker convicted, captured and comforted by the sweet Holy Spirit of God. However, He didn't save me against my will. Rather, He brought me to a state of desperation such that my will finally yielded to His.
I am moved by your testimony.
As for myself, I was so in the dark I did not realize that my complete life was lived making desperate choices. Total pragmatism.
It was when I saw how lovely this Christ was/is, and how good God had been/and is to me, I was given the spirit of repentance to gaze upon his holiness. Praise God the gaze continues to this day.
NeedHim wrote: Anyone who says that those who embrace the Doctrines of Grace don‚Äôt believe that we have a Will, clearly are misrepresenting the Reformed Faith. & have been taught wrongly in what others clearly taught about the Doctrines of Grace.
Quite so, NeedHim. And we have to make allowances for those who are still growing in the faith, and who later on will see their errors born out of simplistic views of theology. It's a case of going from paddling in the shallows, to swimming in the depths, and we all need him to teach us far more about so great salvation.
Dr Tim, yes, you are quite right bro. "He that gathereth not with me, scattereth abroad".
"Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature".
Armchair theologians love the social media platform it offers them to preach. The Lord is never impressed with such. We must live in the real world, and have interraction with real sinners, seeking their good and their salvation, telling them of the Saviour, willing and able to save all that come to God by him.
Unfortunately, not many fellow believers believe that God is willing to save anybody any more, so they take themselves to spouting what they regard as truth, into the ether.