Lisa wrote: Russian orthodox church ( I assume) protesting against homosexuals. Hmmm- satans agent provocateurs....I think strategically Christians must take a different stance and distance themselves from the gay bashing crowd. Whipping people with nettles is so not the way forward IMHO !!!
At first consideration, I thought maybe this was an article about Atlanta rather than Tbilisi. When the article started out with "Thousands of anti-gay protesters..." I should have known this was nowhere in America. If the choice is between folks threatening to lash with stinging nettle or folks not doing a thing, I'm hard pressed to say which I would prefer. I would prefer though, the next time there is a sodomite pride parade in an American city 1/2 of 1% of the professed Christians in that city go lift a banner for the Lord and preach against it.
SteveR wrote: Apologize to Sodom? I dont care who said it, dont repeat it as its a violation of the 3rd Commandment Exodus 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
I don't know that I would find it to be a commandment violation. I understand the spirit in which it is stated but I am uncomfortable with the quote.
I praise the Lord for the mercy he has shown on my country, my countrymen and myself. I pray he continues to show that mercy and does not deal with us according to our sins. Should he see fit to destroy us, I will understand. Should he continue to have compassion upon us, I will praise his abundant mercy.
Romans 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
Homeschooling in Germany was banned in 1938 by a regime that is commonly considered to be the worst ever in existence. Likewise, it is commonly believed, that group no longer exists and yet the policies (not just this one) of that group live on today. Rather than disappearing into the annals of history, their philosophies and the power of the people holding to these philosophies has increased. All that faded is what they call themselves.
They cannot take an institution that was born in iniquity, whose very existence is a result of a lack of integrity and think one can reform it to where these "servants" might possess the "highest levels of integrity". The best solution for this would be to seek the old paths and go back to the America which existed prior to 1913.
John UK wrote: Rufus, I do not think God will forbid it. I have personally met and befriended a Pakistani family who fled here because of fierce persecution from Muslims in their home country. I do not think the Lord will be longsuffering for much longer, as it is his Son who is being persecuted in a very much global sense today.
Should this thing occur, more people who have never persecuted Christians will suffer than those people who have persecuted Christians. Also, there are still Christians in Iran that will no doubt suffer as well. Like the Christians in other countries the Coalition of the Willing has conquered, these Christians live peaceably in this country but after the U.S./Britain/Israel et al install new regimes, the Christians will be worse off and persecuted far more than they were prior.
jpw wrote: Rufus -- I hesitate, since writing out a long list below, the words of Christ did not sway you. ...
I love the scriptures you quote but they do not affirm the references to the Kingdom of God as being eternal. The Kingdom of God is 1000 years...it is the millennium, not eternity. I would be swayed if there were scripture to the contrary, 'tis scripture that swayed me to my current position.
SteveR wrote: Samson of course, but dont hold your breath for the others I will add the ignored Scripture implying that Saul didnt succeed in even killing himself..he needed an Amalekite 2 Samuel 1:7 And when he looked behind him, he saw me, and called unto me. And I answered, Here am I. 2 Samuel 1:8 And he said unto me, Who art thou? And I answered him, I am an Amalekite. 2 Samuel 1:9 He said unto me again, Stand, I pray thee, upon me, and slay me: for anguish is come upon me, because my life is yet whole in me. 2 Samuel 1:10 So I stood upon him, and slew him,
Jim Lincoln wrote: Well, Refus, since he seems to be as big as ignoramus, as this fellow Bush: Terrible President, Also Not a Smart Man, and just as much in bed with big oil, and big business as Baby-face Bush was. Guess what, I don't have any use for him. You Texans can have him, Rufus, if he tries any funny business like running for President again, he'll fall on his face again. However, I do agree with Kat.
I am not a supporter of Rick Perry nor the Bush family but the way you speak of the leaders God has put in authority over us is improper. Recall too the primary reason Rick Perry "fell on his face" was due to the one you call a "kook" making him look bad. The stronger your arguments, the less need there is for hyperbole, invective and ad hominems.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: Great point! However it was Samuel that said you will be with me not the Lord. I am not making an excuse for Saul or even trying to say suicide is acceptable, just agreeing with others that it is not a sin that automatically condemns one to an eternity in the lake of fire.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: What saith the Scriptures. Does anyone on this board believe that Samuel is not in heaven? Do we all agree that Saul committed suicide? I Samuel 28:19 (NKJV)"Moreover the Lord will also deliver Israel with you into the hand of the Philistines. And tomorrow you and your sons WILL BE WITH ME. The Lord will also deliver the army of Israel into the hand of the Philistines.‚ÄĚ
Whether Saul is in Heaven or Hell can not be concluded by 1 Samuel 28:19 for the Lord can meet a child in either locale.
Psalms 139:8 - If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
I would evaluate Saul as eternally saved but a loser of two kingdoms.
jpw wrote: Rufus -- I am most assured that reading the gospels would remedy your limited perspective of the Kingdom of God. I did a search at blueletterbible on "Kingdom of God". Jesus did not mince words on this subject. It was his constant mode of teaching his coming, his atonement and salvation -- his healings, miracles, and deliveries, his parables on eternal life were based on this... ...
JPW, I have provided you verses indicating why I believe the Kingdom of God/Kingdom of Heaven to be within time. Are you unable to provide something similar for arguing that it is eternal?
Christopher000 wrote: I will accept whatever truth were to unfold because whatever God says, goes, but...I hope Rufus is right concerning the fate of suicides. Just difficult to accept that suicide, no matter how wrong, cancels out the fact that someone was born again and tried real hard after their conversion. So, someone can live their entire life, loving God, witnessing, doing right, and doing the best they can to live a Christ-like life, but in the end, in a moment of extreme weakness and hopelessness, for whatever reason, they make the terrible decision to exit early, they are sent to hell for eternity? This isn't my dad, obviously, but apply it to whoever...maybe yourself...your Pastor...whoever.
Hell is temporal, not eternal.
Revelation 20:14 - And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
just enough time wrote: (a.) Live an entire life of faith in Christ and repentance and you'll be saved. (b.) When (self) murder by bullet is your last act, there's no conceivable time in your life's journey to repent (of this "shall not enter the kingdom of heaven" category of sins) before you die. Thus, how does a gunshot suicide not damn you?
It does not damn a believer eternally for the blood is sufficient to cover all and this is a gift of God. However, the unrighteous will not receive the reward of inheriting the kingdom of God (1000 year millenial reign of Christ) and an unrepentant murderer disqualifies himself from this inheritance.
Galatians 5:21 - Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
SteveR wrote: Im trying to say that I dont understand todays dispensational secular response to the Israeli spiritual problem Lisa. My dispensational friends here say they pray for Israeli salvation, but their hands write letters to Congress to send them more military aid. They dont write letters to their synods to send more missionaries or Bibles to Israel. My friends sigh when Palestinians receive undeserved food aid, yet ignore the lack of Israelis receiving Christ. Their lips claim they are helping, yet each day more and more Jews are dying without faith. To me it looks like they are holding their hands on the way to perdition for their own selfish interests not the Jews who need salvation. Is that a way to treat a friend? Gods special people? btw Do you want to know the major crime was of ancient Syria of Isaiah 17? helping Israel(northern kingdom) to sin against God.
Observer wrote: No one is condoning suicide silly! The question is does suicide in and of itself mean that the person was NOT saved? There are sins of omission as well as sins of commission. Would a person equally end up in hell with sins of omission? What about sins of ignorance. Stuff that we all do that we don't even recognize as sin? What makes suicide the unforgivable sin? The trolls on this site promulgating the false teaching of the RCC should just keep their shameless ignorant mouths shut. Christopher000 Truth be told we all struggle on a daily basis with the old self and with besetting sins. This is the experience of every genuine child of God. Josephus is right that some have greater struggles. But remember 1 Corinthians 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
If the individual believed on Jesus Christ for the remission of sins he will be raised up on the last day regardless of his deeds. If he commits murder and does not repent of it prior to judgment, he will not partake of the first resurrection.