Watcher wrote:
Yet another hook thrown out to be grabbed and argued over. Don't take the bait brethren.

Rom 2 fulfilled Jer 31:
14 “For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:”

15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another

16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Jer 31

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Isa 2 fulfilled 1 John 3:21:

2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Hebrews 13:21

21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Philippians 1:11
Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

John 17:23
I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Romans 11:36
For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

Psalm 37:23-24

23 The steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord: and he delighteth in his way.

Christopher000 wrote:
Backing up to 1517's explanation of His Spirit giving us the ability to believe...fine, makes perfect sense, but that's still followed up with the acts of SURRENDERING, REPENTING, BELIEVING, and DEDICATING which most always say is wrong..

25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God PERADVENTURE WILL GIVE THEM REPENTANCE to the acknowledging of the truth;

SURRENDERING:
Romans 8:7-8

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is NOT SUBJECT TO THE LAW OF GOD, NEITHER indeed CAN BE.

8 So then they that are in the flesh CANNOT PLEASE GOD.

BELIEVING:
Ephesians 2:8-9

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; AND THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES: it is the GIFT OF GOD:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

What we are showing you Christopher is not some obscure thing as some would have you believe. It is the simple English of the verse. It is not complicated, it is simply seen when you:

Proverbs 3:5-6

5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

Christopher000 wrote:
I'll have a follow-up comment/question for tomorrow that'll be piggybacking off of a response, in part, that I'll be real interested in reading the responses to, and which should open a nice, big can of vegemite...ha-ha
Not now, done for the night and need to figure out how to word it anyway.

1517 wrote:
Christopher000,
The will of man, in relation to God, is incapable of “choosing” Him nor does it desire to in its unregenerate state. There is a choice for God in Christ AFTER the disposition of the soul, from dead to alive, is changed by God alone. He takes out the stony heart and replaces it with a heart of flesh. Then the will is no longer in bondage and is free to choose God—which will be the only “choice” to make. A good commentary on this biblical truth is Luther’s Bondage of the Will.

Ezekiel 36:26-30

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

2 Corinthians 3:3

Another Michael wrote:
to all of us:
We might not even be having this discussion with J4Jif men feared God more than we did the opinions of religious experts

Hebrews 10:26-29

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Your just mad because you know predestination is taught in the Bible. You hate the God of the Bible.

Isaiah 8:20

20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Repent of your wickedness and seek mercy!!!

Can't come to God without the righteousness of Christ:

Adriel wrote:
California sends its children to hell and damnation. They must have the morals of Auschwitz nazi guards.
Teaching the sodomite agenda as legitimate is hideous, repulsive and malevolent. Satan works in California.
Matt 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, 50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."
2Thes 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;"
May the Lord rebuke them.

Daniel 10:13

13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

ladybug wrote:
"JJ the unclean spirit is back🙄"--yep
Satan's minions are quite busy..

1 John 1:9

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Jj wrote:
Everyone is going to hell according to the Bible because it clearly states that whomsoever sins willfully after knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for their sins.
There is not even one of you arrogant manipulating self proclaimed holier then thou keyboard warrior pacifists who does not sin every single day willfully, therefore you should KNOW you are going to hell.
The FACT of all human existence including all so called christian existence is that no one ever truly repents, one only reduces the NUMBER of their sins if one claims to accept the gospel. Until your dying day YOU WILL sin willfully, and you will go to hell unless the Bible is contradicting itself, of course which it does almost every other verse.
Believing in Jesus is not enough, Jesus Himself stated so. Many will believe in Him, do "wonderous works" and Jesus will still say to them depart from me into everlasting fire.
All we can hope is that the Bible is not God's word at all, but merely contains generalities to point one towards general commandments, but if the Bible were to be taken literally, then everyone will be damned, and this God the father being is one very very sick vicious freak.

John Yurich USA wrote:
Of course I believe that the Catholic Church murdered countless Bible-believing Christians during the Middle Ages. Everybody knows that, including that Baptist Pastor from that Baptist Church I attend on Sunday mornings. I am not getting a handout from anybody at that Catholic parish I attend.

Christopher000 wrote:
Agree, Kev, in understanding the importance of proper context, throughout. False doctrines are often built upon a single, used out of context, verse of scripture...anything.
In fact, this is precisely what John seems..rewards as the result, according to him.

Christopher000 wrote:
Hey Kev, I guess I need to clarify something...my comments were very general, and not leaning towards any specific topic. Truthfully, I wasn't even paying attention to the thread I was commenting in. I do have my own thoughts on the topic, but again, my comments were for any topic...anything.

There are verses that show God hates some clearly.

Hebrews 12:6-8

6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

8 But if ye be without chastisement..bast..and not sons.

John 7:7
The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.

1 Corinthians 1:21
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

1 Corinthians 11:32
But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

1 John 3:1
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

1 John 3:13
Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.

John 1:29

29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

These are a few examples. Scripture interprets scripture.

If you believe God gives faith as the scripture states which is election,
Does that make sense He loves some but will not call them knowing they will go to hell, if so does God stop loving them when they go to hell and change his mind?

1517 wrote:
John Y,
I tried to defend you as a person, but in light of NeedHim’s revelation, I cannot legitimately grant support to your activities. I assumed your comments on these threads were connected to the prevailing topics, but when you purposely go on a forum dedicated, not to news articles, but faithful conversation and post the same RCC rubbish, that is deliberate. I cannot defend such actions. I don’t want to rehash what has been said already, but it’s time you heed the warning and advice of others.