He never said He redeemed their soul. You are figuring the price Jesus paid in 2 Peter 2 is that Jesus died for them on the cross. Look at Jesus's prayer BEFORE He was crucified. When were people given to Christ? Finish John 17. Before.
John 17 2 As thou hast given him POWER OVER ALL FLESH, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I HAVE FINISHED THE WORK which thou gavest me to do.
Jesus finished the work that God gave which gave Him dominion over all flesh before He was even crucified. This is that price Jesus paid to have dominion over all people the works that were seen in this verse. What is the work that He finished here? He lived a sinless life and lived in the will of the Father. The price paid in 2 Peter 2 are the works Christ did before the cross.
He finished the works that gave Him dominion over ALL people before the cross.
Is the blood of Christ a "common thing" shed for all? Or is Jesus's blood Holy?
Kev wrote: You see John UK act as if he is innocent as he compares people to rabid monkeys and says they are backslidden and lifeless. You have BMC calling people neo-Calvinists and antinomians as she proclaims to have Christian character. You have some who call you a Calvinist or Pink when you havenât quoted them. Then you have the little gangs such as wont correct others because they see it as: âwell He is on my side so I canât correct them.â You have others where soon as you show them something opposite of what they believe you arenât loving. Do we stand for truth no matter who it is or do we go well I donât agree with them but I wonât tell them because it might anger them. You have some who wonât answer straight up questions. Why is that? Maybe because it will contradict what they said. When scripture is presented do people try to conform to what is said or do they try to twist scripture to what they are saying? It is a blessing to be with like minded Christians. When certain subjects come up all they do is lead to strife so why bring them up? It would be better not to. If I have ever been rude to someone I apologize. I donât think I am rude. I try to stand firm on truth as we all should.
Excellent comment DD. It is amazing the picture of Godâs love some draw. They see God loving countless people who He will not call with His Spirit and slip off into hell. You ask the arminians what Godâs love means for mankind and he will tell you something that equates to God helps those who help themselves. As you said the love of God is effectual and your understanding of the God of the Bible is precise and sound. I believe that God hides His word from many especially when they will not submitt to the word of God. It is refreshing to hear your comment while these threads have wearied me.
John UK all the answers are in Rom 11 Those he did foreknow he did not cast off. The election of Grace. The elect the 7,000 that did not kneel the knee to bale. The one tree we are all grafted into etc...which is one body the Church or the ekkelessia or called out ones. Those predestined are the ones He calls. Think on this: salvation is of the Lord. How was it that God said He reserved for himself.. just so happens to be 7,000 signifying the perfect amount who did not bow the knee to bale. Godâs love is effectual and saving and the names each one specific to a person to be saved who were written in the Lambâs book of life from the foundation of the world. Iâm sure you see all the verses Iâm referring to in my post.
The fact is God is saving everyone He has desired to save and will loose not one.
BMC I did not claim you said you had Christian character in your COMMENT. I said you proclaim to have Christian character period. I used something called deductive reasoning when making my comment. It was a general statement not specific.
Deductive reasoning: Deductive reasoning, also deductive logic, logical deduction is the process of reasoning from one or more statements to reach a logically certain conclusion.
From your statements in the past I have made a logical deduction that you proclaim to have Christian character. Anyone who isnât a baby Christian must proclaim to have Christian character as what Christian is a Christian by profession only? â Thanks Christopher. But when did I say John UK was lost or hellbound. I donât think you will find that in my comments. Did I address John as I myself would want to be addressed? I believe I did. And my comments to you were also for everyone to notice what I have seen on here and reflect. â Mike no reason to have a circular argument with you over what I believe the verse means. â AM you still have missed the point and will not answer the questions at hand. â John UK there is no point in trying to get you to listen to what Iâm saying. There is a point when someone wonât try to listen to what you are saying.
B. McCausland wrote: Kev 1. There is no wrong in identifying tendencies by their proper names. It is sad, and the individual's only problem, if people feel offended because they feel personally identified. 2. This was not stated. Please, reread in case you have misread, otherwise it is a misrepresentation, and an untruth. Christians should not carelessly lie about others by easy or convenient presumption, neither to bring false witness or accusations at random as this. Your practice comes to what the devil normally does: to falsely accuse the brethren without substantial, concrete grounds.
1. Making sweeping accusations is unchristian. 2. Read my comment again I said you proclaim to have Christian character. What person who proclaims to be Christian does not also proclaim to have Christian character? I didnât say you proclaim to have Christian character in your comment.
Yeah Christopher you are right about the poke and poke. Just look back in the thread and see who started the poking. I see you have made a good honest stance and told John UK the truth wether he would like it or not and that is commendable. Do you see this same response from others? I tell you what if Ladybug said something I didnât agree with about the Bible I would tell her. I tell John UK my beliefs as well as everyone. It probably has made me unpopular but what do I come here to talk about truth or praise someone I donât agree with because they are siding with me. I asked the simple question does God love everyone and did Christ die for everyone and I canât get straight answers from people. Itâs as if there is no absolute truth in the Bible.If you ever see a point Iâm wrong in point it out and show me where it says otherwise in the Bible. I have given many times how the word âworldâ was used in the Bible and everyone seems to not see it so they can stick with something they have said or to justify a practice they have in evangelizing etc...scripture doesnât contradict itself some are just not looking at the big picture. Is John 1:29 saying God takes away the sins of everyone or Is God announcing salvation is open to gentiles as before it wasnât?
I like your comment UPS. We just have to make sure when we read them Romans 5 we donât change the USâs to allâs then the new Christian later finds out that Godâs love is an everlasting love that is for His church and thinks the word of God contradicts itself.
5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts BY THE HOLY GHOST which is GIVEN UNTO US.
6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
8 But GOD COMMENDETH HIS LOVE TOWARD US, in that, while we were yet sinners, CHRIST DIED FOR US.
Godâs love is an effectual love and we love Him because He first loved us. Those who God chose in Christ where loved with an everlasting love therefore in loving kindness He draws us to Him. Godâs love is effectual as the Holy Ghost shine in our hearts to show us the Gospel because of Godâs love towards us is why God commands the light to shine out of darkness. The love of God is why Christ went to the cross to redeem a people chosen in Him since the foundation of the world to be before Him holy and blameless in love. Christ died for His sheep while they were yet sinners.
See Christopher you can see clearly why these threads get out of hand. You see John UK act as if he is innocent as he compares people to rabid monkeys and says they are backslidden and lifeless. You have BMC calling people neo-Calvinists and antinomians as she proclaims to have Christian character. You have some who call you a Calvinist or Pink when you havenât quoted them. Then you have the little gangs such as wont correct others because they see it as: âwell He is on my side so I canât correct them.â You have others where soon as you show them something opposite of what they believe you arenât loving. Do we stand for truth no matter who it is or do we go well I donât agree with them but I wonât tell them because it might anger them. You have some who wonât answer straight up questions. Why is that? Maybe because it will contradict what they said. When scripture is presented do people try to conform to what is said or do they try to twist scripture to what they are saying? It is a blessing to be with like minded Christians. When certain subjects come up all they do is lead to strife so why bring them up? It would be better not to. If I have ever been rude to someone I apologize. I donât think I am rude. I try to stand firm on truth as we all should.
AM you are assuming I donât have love in my heart. I tell you what, I love God and His word more than what you think of me because I tell you the truth of scripture. You keep rabbittrailing off into the person not being loving just because I stand for truth! It is never loving to lie about the truth of God. The subject at hand is the one you refuse to address. Your refusing to address the facts and questions propsed show you are dishonestly handling the word of God. Do you love God and His word more than tickling lost peopleâs ears. I have no right To tell someone God hates them as you have no right to tell unbelievers personally God loves them. â John UK I asked every single person to stop talking about a certain âpreacherâ but I made the deal with you. You want me to tell everyone they canât speak about him individually? I do agree that it would be better if his name no longer comes up so he is not exalted and it gender strife. Many on here are under personal conviction to make a stand for something who am I to say they shouldnât. I asked and that was it.
God's Love Psalm 11:5 5Â The Lord trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.
Hosea 9:15 15Â All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters.
Malachi 1:2-3 2Â I have loved you, saith the Lord. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the Lord: yet I loved Jacob, 3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
Malachi 2:17 17Â Ye have wearied the Lord with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied him? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil is good in the sight of the Lord, and he delighteth in them; or, Where is the God of judgment?
John 15:10 10Â If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Jude 21 21Â Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
Psalm 5:5 5Â The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
John Yurich USA wrote: No I did not prevaricate about what Pastor stated.
I didnât ask that. You said that Pastor Steve said that the Calvinist doctrine that there are elect is satanic.
Did Pastor Steve say that or not? â John UK best to just let something die. I asked you awhile back if you would please drop the Billy Graham thing you did not hear me or you cared not to just drop it. I ask you again to drop it please.
ladybug wrote: To the elect of God I have good news, I just received an e-mail from Bro. Observer, he is well and prospering in the Lord. Here is a snippet, "I continue to pray for many of the friends on SA, though I have little to do with many of them anymore. I've not visited the site since I announced leaving and am not even tempted to visit ... the place is rife with people who are pretty clueless ... the blind leading the blind ... and the few who do really know the grace of God are ridiculed and treated with derision. I fear it will only get worse." Our dear brother is right. Such is the times in which we live.
Tell Observer I said hi. Good to see him doing well. Thanks for the info. Tell him his great comments are well missed.