SteveR wrote:
What an awful comment to make bro james.
You obviously didnt even try to understand 'stand for gods' concerns before that attempted rebuke. If you did, you would know she isnt a 'sir.' She is an African American woman who found the article & acknowledgment of it by Chris offensive.
Its a despicable article that should receive zero support in this forum

SteveR wrote:
... look how popular gossip about the Vatican is here

The RCC puts itself in the place of Christ, but opposes the clear teaching of the Bible. As a vehicle of deception it wields greater power in the world than almost anything else (if your figures are correct 1.6 billion souls under its sway - 1.6 billion souls held captive in soul damning error!). Hence, the concern that anyone should want to promote this beast as a true church.

It is not gossip if people discuss what is so clearly documented in terms of the history and beliefs of the RCC. It clearly does not suit you and so like any unrighteousness person you wish to suppress the truth by rebranding the thread as a gossip thread.

SteveR wrote:
Says the man that hasnt been trusted with a congregation of his own. Its quite obvious that at least MILLIONS of Gods people have been entrusted in the RCC, and you can be trusted with any. Why? The only people here who listen to you, do so only because you validate their wickedness like your participation in this gossip thread.
If the RCC is as wicked as you believe and millions of Christians are entrusted there, what does that say about you?

Why are you on this board?

Perhaps you thought people on here were easy pickings? That they are ignorant as you clearly are?

Christopher000 wrote:
As for the reformed position concerning salvation, the new world position that is attempting to bring everyone together by trying to trick and confuse the ignorant or find loopholes in God's Word, I reject it. I reject any and all ecumenical attempts to water down God's Word to find its place in a brave new, wishy washy, don't want to offend anybody, everything goes world.
1,000,000,000 Romam Catholics did not suddenly become true, Bible approved, Christians with the stroke of a pen. The Muslims are not our brothers and sisters simply because they believe in and worship the same God. Allah was originally Al-elah (? ), their moon god. The Shintoists with their clanging symbols and the Buddists with their chanting and incense are not our brothers and sisters either, simply because they believe in a higher power, as Pope John told the world from his seat and "by revelation of the Holy Spirit."
Lies from the pit of Hell that the world is absorbing with great joy because they no longer need to walk the straight and narrow...they can now live a much wider moral an ethical lifestyle without any perceived repercussions when they die.

SteveR wrote:
Since he isnt my pope, the pronouncements of the Bishops of Rome rarely interest me.

SteveR wrote:
Which(imo) makes this more a political gesture than a theological one, as all Christians should know. ....

SteveR wrote:
Hi Chris
...There are several 'faith alone' doctrines dismissed in that article among them the popular modern versions of Arminianism, Decisional Regeneration & Antinomianism.

The kind of faith that saves is a different issue altogether!

SteveR wrote:
...Judaizers were attempting to make works the means of salvation. Catholics do not make works the means of salvation..

This also shows that he knows soooooo little about justification and its importance!

Lurker wrote:
"the different states in the process of justification. The Council of Trent assigns the first and most important place to faith... a firm belief in the truths and promises of Divine revelation. The next step is a genuine sorrow for all sin with the resolution to begin a new life by receiving holy baptism and by observing the commandments of God. The process of justification is then brought to a close by the baptism of water, inasmuch as by the grace of this sacrament the catechumen is freed from sin (original and personal) and its punishments, and is made a child of God. The same process of justification is repeated in those who by mortal sin have lost their baptismal innocence; with this modification, however, that the Sacrament of Penance replaces baptism."[URL=http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08573a.htm]]]New Advent[/URL] (Condensed to conserve space. Scroll down to The Catholic doctrine on justification..)

SteveR wrote:
OK
I guess its time to call it quits on this thread.
I'll check back in a few days and see how everyone is doing.

SteveR wrote:
Ahem,
'Dont waste your time' has spent many hours here on this board doing exactly the opposite of what his name says, which I would guess is true in his spiritual life too.
He isnt one I would suggest you look towards for guidance

SteveR wrote:
Abraham is saved in their view and in mine as well

SteveR wrote:
I dont believe that is the correct Biblical explanation of Justification, but doubtfully would exclude one from being saved....

SteveR wrote:
Matthew 16:23 ...., Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
He asked these Nuns why they were so happy and content, they replied they had the Love of Christ. He asked how he could follow and THEY pointed to the Bible. And since reading the Bible, he has considered Coptics, Catholics and Orthodox his fellow Missionaries

Them pointing him to the bible does by no stretch of the imagination fit your decription of them "bringing him to faith".

SteveR wrote:
btw- Brother Andrew was led to faith by the Roman Catholic nuns tending to his wounds..

One nun was instrumental right at the start of what brother Andrew himself called an, "incredible journey of discovery". And all she did was encourage him to read the bible!

Michael Hranek wrote:
Don't Waste
Thanks for being a sounding board.
For me I think it boils down to this
it is one thing for someone blindly parroting false teachings
it is another for someone who ought to know better knowingly promoting false teachings.
IMHO SteveR ought to know better and be treated appropriately so. Ignorant nominal Catholic or even baptists can be another matter.

2 John 10 and 11 come to mind:

If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

Michael Hranek wrote:
..let me ask you a question.
If someone like SteveR holds a position like he does, how can we best get through to them with the Truth if they are emotionally attached to a pastor/church that holds and promotes these kind of false beliefs?
Because what we are asking is that for the sake of Truth, for the sake of Jesus Christ and the Gospel that they themselves be willing to put their own lives on the line, and be willing to stand despite the consequences, and in their own local church perhaps very very alone.
Biblical Thoughts/Insight?

If they are genuinely converted we should call on them to leave the RCC. And you know that the Spirit of God who indwells the truly converted would constrain them to leave.

SteveR wrote:
The moderator told me I had to be nice to you, maybe I hurt your feelings? Anyways, I will not respond to you, but leave you with this. Saving faith requires something you seem to be void of, Love for your brethren.
Like you, the devil and his demons despise Gods People. There is no Love in them.
1 John 2:9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
1 John 2:10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.

To love the enemies of God as though they are the children of God is what you are advocating and that is devilish in the extreme!!

SteveR wrote:
They have faith, they might not understand it as you do but they have faith.....

SteveR wrote:
You believe in ecumenical Jesuits?
Please study up or go away, you are an embarrassment to the board

Christopher000 wrote:
I don't know if I'll find the time today, but ......

He's just a Jesuist troll looking to make disciples!!