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Could Pope Benedict XVI Be Put on Trial?

While the vast majority of discussion surrounding Pope Benedict XVI’s historic voluntary exit from the Catholic Church has focused upon his next steps, some critics have spent their time pushing for the faith leader to be put on trial following his departure. With Benedict preparing to vacate the papacy in just days, victims rights advocates are open about their desire for his prosecution over the abuse scandal that continues to rock the Catholic Church.

Of course, the image of the pope sitting in a courtroom is relatively outlandish — and an unlikely development. But that hasn’t stopped some from trying to legally pin the crimes of select priests on the head of the Catholic Church. The potential scenario was apparently so troublesome that it was reportedly a factor in Benedict’s decision to continue taking up residence at the Vatican.

One Vatican official told Reuters that Benedict’s decision ...


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News Item2/23/13 10:26 AM
pistle  Find all comments by pistle
SteveR wrote:
My belief that there are Christians in the RCC
SteveR's claim that the RCC and its doctrine are not a hinderence to salvation, is making the claim that by the same token ALL reprobates of - religions and none - can be saved. Since Steve's teaching here is that ignorance of truth does not indicate prohibition of salvation.

In effect this is the basis of universalism, a theory that the Word of God and the work of the Holy Spirit is irrelevant.

Not even the Rome soap opera believes that.

Ro 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek."

Not according to Steve!! It is not the power of God - its just an interesting religious story without any power.

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News Item2/23/13 2:03 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
SteveR wrote:
it certainly doesnt validate the the RCC are judaizers. Judaizers were attempting to make works the means of salvation. Catholics do not make works the means of salvation. Thus Catholics are not Judaizers
Luke got it wrong?

Act 23:8 For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit: but the Pharisees confess both.

Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

Faith + works.... just like the RCC.

SteveR wrote:
Benedict quote from Nov 2008 "Luther's expression 'sola fide' is true, if faith is not against charity, against love. To believe is to see Christ, to trust in Christ, to become attached to Christ, to conform to Christ, to his life."
Am I supposed to be impressed by the doublespeak of a man who doesn't even know the biblical expression of the outworking of faith?

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. (Deut 6:4-5)

How can the love of God be against love which is God (1 John 4:8)?

If you really desired the truth, you'd find it.

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News Item2/22/13 5:36 PM
Not forgotten  Find all comments by Not forgotten
There's maybe a handful of Reformed leaders remaining including Begg, MacArthur and Sproul. Almost all of the modern evangelical leaders have capitulated big time to the Romish Church. Who else is willing to come out from among them and join these few brothers?

In this generation we've essentially been abandoned to keep the faith.

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News Item2/22/13 4:55 PM
Don't waste your time  Find all comments by Don't waste your time
Christopher000 wrote:
As for the reformed position concerning salvation, the new world position that is attempting to bring everyone together by trying to trick and confuse the ignorant or find loopholes in God's Word, I reject it. I reject any and all ecumenical attempts to water down God's Word to find its place in a brave new, wishy washy, don't want to offend anybody, everything goes world.
1,000,000,000 Romam Catholics did not suddenly become true, Bible approved, Christians with the stroke of a pen. The Muslims are not our brothers and sisters simply because they believe in and worship the same God. Allah was originally Al-elah (? ), their moon god. The Shintoists with their clanging symbols and the Buddists with their chanting and incense are not our brothers and sisters either, simply because they believe in a higher power, as Pope John told the world from his seat and "by revelation of the Holy Spirit."
Lies from the pit of Hell that the world is absorbing with great joy because they no longer need to walk the straight and narrow...they can now live a much wider moral an ethical lifestyle without any perceived repercussions when they die.
Well said!
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News Item2/22/13 4:40 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
As for the reformed position concerning salvation, the new world position that is attempting to bring everyone together by trying to trick and confuse the ignorant or find loopholes in God's Word, I reject it. I reject any and all ecumenical attempts to water down God's Word to find its place in a brave new, wishy washy, don't want to offend anybody, everything goes world.
1,000,000,000 Romam Catholics did not suddenly become true, Bible approved, Christians with the stroke of a pen. The Muslims are not our brothers and sisters simply because they believe in and worship the same God. Allah was originally Al-elah (? ), their moon god. The Shintoists with their clanging symbols and the Buddists with their chanting and incense are not our brothers and sisters either, simply because they believe in a higher power, as Pope John told the world from his seat and "by revelation of the Holy Spirit."
Lies from the pit of Hell that the world is absorbing with great joy because they no longer need to walk the straight and narrow...they can now live a much wider moral an ethical lifestyle without any perceived repercussions when they die.
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News Item2/22/13 3:28 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
SteveR wrote:
Sorry,
Disagree
My belief that there are Christians in the RCC doesnt validate your conclusions. Roman Catholics, like Independent Baptists, have a lot of work ahead of them.
SteveR
Your posts have been telling when believers consider Scripture.

Proverbs 28:4
Those who forsake the law praise the wicked,

But such as keep the law contend with them.

No, the RCC doesn't have a lot of work to do, they have a lot of REPENTING to do, and I am thankful for each one who does.

No, the (quote) Independent Baptist are the one who have a lot of LEARNING and GROWING to do, something wonderfully different from APOSTASY.

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News Item2/22/13 1:58 PM
Don't waste your time  Find all comments by Don't waste your time
SteveR wrote:
Since he isnt my pope, the pronouncements of the Bishops of Rome rarely interest me.
Sure he is, otherwise you wouldn't brown nose him or his theology.

SteveR wrote:
Which(imo) makes this more a political gesture than a theological one, as all Christians should know. ....
No it does not. It merely demonstrates that Rome accepts that they can be saved by their own religion but that as far as Rome is concerned it should be no bar to them also embracing Roman Catholicism. Conclusive proof that RCC is all about syncretism and not about defending apostolic doctrine concerning Jesus Christ. It is not a Christian Church, but Anti Christ because it rejects the exclusive claims of Christianity!
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News Item2/22/13 1:53 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
As usual good points Michael, there was an interesting article on why Benny left the Papacy, which had nothing to do with health reasons or even Abuse in the Catholic Church as such but, Pope Benedict retired after inquiry into 'Vatican gay officials', says paper. The immorality of the Papacy and the Vatican are amazing, except when you realize that Should Roman Catholicism really be classified as a Christian religion? -- No. (PDF). Apparently many Evangelicals have to be reminded, Christian and Catholics -- never together!
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News Item2/22/13 1:47 PM
SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
Michael Hranek wrote:
SteveR
When anyone promotes, let's use the word here, "unity" with the RCC claiming they are Christians, it is an in fact reality that the RCC's Pope becomes (quote) their Pope whether or not they actually go through all the ritual ceremony etc. etc. to formaly become Roman Catholic.
Sorry,
Disagree

My belief that there are Christians in the RCC doesnt validate your conclusions. Roman Catholics, like Independent Baptists, have a lot of work ahead of them.

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News Item2/22/13 1:37 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
SteveR wrote:
Since he isnt my pope,
SteveR
When anyone promotes, let's use the word here, "unity" with the RCC claiming they are Christians, it is an in fact reality that the RCC's Pope becomes (quote) their Pope whether or not they actually go through all the ritual ceremony etc. etc. to formaly become Roman Catholic.

And since you are so, let's use the word (quote) welcoming of Roman Catholicism, you might not like it but "The Popes" pronouncements do affect you.


2 John
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.

Ouch, Ouch, Ouch

This is entirely different from those who openly reject "The Pope" instead of welcoming him as some many modern day evangelicals and sadly baptists are doing.

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News Item2/22/13 1:02 PM
SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
Michael Hranek wrote:
CCC 841
The Church's relationship with the Muslims.
Since he isnt my pope, the pronouncements of the Bishops of Rome rarely interest me. I do remember years ago a similar offer was made to Jews. If I remember right, the statement said they had a 'covenant.' Im just guessing, but it sounds like the previous Bishop offered them salvation if they could keep the Mosaic Law. If so, that offer to muslims might be the same

Which(imo) makes this more a political gesture than a theological one, as all Christians should know. And I do agree Rome is way too political.

Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

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News Item2/22/13 12:31 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
SteveR wrote:
Hi Chris
On the Baptist & Catholics together thread, someone posted a good article on a Reformed Position of salvation. You should read it & you will see RCs arent the only ones that put qualifications on what 'saving faith' looks like.
There are several 'faith alone' doctrines dismissed in that article among them the popular modern versions of Arminianism, Decisional Regeneration & Antinomianism.
SteveR
In the sense I don't wish misfortune on anyone, nevertheless I am sorry (quote) your Pope might be put on trial.

While what is enormously sad for all the continuing discussion is that the RCC hasn't gotten it right on who God is, which means any talk about justification and other doctrine is meaningless.

CCC 841
The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

Please understand how blasphemous it is to bear false witness and claim Muslims acknowledge the Creator (who is Jesus Christ) when they deny Him.

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News Item2/22/13 12:25 PM
Don't waste your time  Find all comments by Don't waste your time
SteveR wrote:
Hi Chris
...There are several 'faith alone' doctrines dismissed in that article among them the popular modern versions of Arminianism, Decisional Regeneration & Antinomianism.
Wrong again! All sides, except Roman Catholics, accept that justification is by faith alone.

The kind of faith that saves is a different issue altogether!

Another devilish attempt to confuse matters. Boy you're all at sea on everything. You could perhaps start with a Sunday School catechism? Might do you real good!

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News Item2/22/13 11:51 AM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
SteveR wrote:
good points,... Catholics do not make works the means of salvation.
"If any one saith that the sacraments of the New Law are not necessary unto salvation...and that without them, or without the desire thereof, men obtain from God, through faith alone, the grace of justification...let him be anathema (The Canons and Decrees of the Council of Trent. Found in Philip Schaff, The Creeds of Christendom (Grand Rapids: Baker, 1919), Canon IV, p. 119). According to Rome, there are three main sacraments necessary for justification and ultimate salvation. These sacraments supposedly COMMUNICATE GRACE to an individual and help to maintain him in a state of sanctifying grace. They are baptism, penance, and the Eucharist/mass."

http://www.christiantruth.com/articles/RCJustification.html

Maybe you need to research you Catholic theology a tad better.

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News Item2/22/13 11:36 AM
SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
Christopher000 wrote:
Hi Steve,
By Romes own mouth, they ananthematize anyone who believes that faith alone is enough to save.
Hi Chris
On the Baptist & Catholics together thread, someone posted a good article on a Reformed Position of salvation. You should read it & you will see RCs arent the only ones that put qualifications on what 'saving faith' looks like.

There are several 'faith alone' doctrines dismissed in that article among them the popular modern versions of Arminianism, Decisional Regeneration & Antinomianism.

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News Item2/22/13 11:18 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Hi Steve,

By Romes own mouth, they ananthematize anyone who believes that faith alone is enough to save.

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News Item2/22/13 10:52 AM
Don't waste your time  Find all comments by Don't waste your time
SteveR wrote:
...Judaizers were attempting to make works the means of salvation. Catholics do not make works the means of salvation..
This is utter nonsense. What makes this guy think that he can lie so blatantly on this board and NOT be picked up on it?

This also shows that he knows soooooo little about justification and its importance!

My conclusion, for what it is worth, is that he is himself not saved and is trying to teach theology to folk on here who know far more than he does, which basically is everyone except JFJ.

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News Item2/22/13 10:22 AM
SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
Lurker wrote:
PROTESTANT ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ CATHOLIC
1. Forensic ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Legal Fiction
2. Synthetic ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Analytic
3. Imputation ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Infusion
4. No human merit ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Congruous merit
5. Can’t lose it ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Can lose it
6. Faith alone ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Faith and works are necessary
good points, but it certainly doesnt validate the the RCC are judaizers. Judaizers were attempting to make works the means of salvation. Catholics do not make works the means of salvation. Thus Catholics are not Judaizers

The Reformation is more of a multi century infusion process. Benedict quote from Nov 2008 "Luther's expression 'sola fide' is true, if faith is not against charity, against love. To believe is to see Christ, to trust in Christ, to become attached to Christ, to conform to Christ, to his life."

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News Item2/21/13 10:15 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Don't waste your time wrote:
By SteveR's reading of the Bible the Judaizers were genuine Christians, because their misunderstanding of the crucial doctrine of Justification would have been no bar to entry in heaven!
Based on what he said, true.

Earlier I stated that the RCC magisterium is a continuation of the first century Pharisees who believed God but insisted to be saved the Gentiles must be circumcised in the flesh, bringing them into the bondage of the law, and be doers of the works of the law, which is death and condemnation, as well as believe, i.e. faith + works = justification. (Col 2:20 ff)

. . .

Jim Lincoln posted an imformative side by side comparison of the major points of Protestant and Catholic doctrines of justification here. The accompanying commentary is informative and worthy of the time to read.

PROTESTANT ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ CATHOLIC

1. Forensic ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Legal Fiction

2. Synthetic ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Analytic

3. Imputation ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Infusion

4. No human merit ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Congruous merit

5. Can’t lose it ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Can lose it

6. Faith alone ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Faith and works are necessary

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News Item2/21/13 2:41 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Chris, thanks for pointing out about Catholic Bible Studies (PDF).
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