justmyopinion wrote:
I was a member of Independent, fundamentalist, separatist, Baptist churches for about five years and found that the pastors of these churches were a one-man show, dictatorial, judgemental, self-righteous and mean spirited. These pastors were followers of Jack Hyles. If you don't conform to their ways you are shunned, e.g. if the man's hair is a little too long (just below the collar), or a woman is not in total subjection (as they see it) to her husband or if her skirt is not exactly the right length etc. I wouldn’t step foot in another independent, fundamental Baptist church.

Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Presbyfacts wrote:
1] If the pool of water used was only ankle deep then he could still say "straightway coming up out of the water" = This is NOT a proof of depth!
2] My Church is the FPC we do not allow women to break the rule of God
On this subject do you believe 'every' Baptist church is precisely and correctly following Scripture?
3] "Free" Presbyterian Church.
4] Without the Holy Spirit working faith in our heart we are not Christians,

CoramDeo wrote:
re-baptism is against scripture because it is is dealing to mans' subjective feelings or profession and not Christ's finished work.

John UK wrote:
Ah but I'm non-denominational me ol' turnip. I'm a separatist, radical, dissenting, nonconformist, believer in autonomous churches, non-believer in state-church, believer in re-baptism, which makes me subject to the wrath of Calvinists and Catholics alike, just like in the 16th century.

Presbyfacts wrote:
Hidemi;

There is zero in Scripture to denote actually quantity of water applied in baptism. thats ZERO!!!
Baptists however require sufficient to submerge the entire body. This conclusion is not obtained from Scripture.
The term baptizw βαπτιζω/βαπτω in koine Greek is applied to sprinkle, pour, wash and dip or immerse.

Bible read correctly wrote:
NO! He wasn't.
It is blatantly obvious to "THE Church" that baptizw does NOT mean immersion.

Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Mar 1:10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:

βαπτίζω
baptizō
bap-tid'-zo
From a derivative of G911; to make whelmed (that is, fully wet); used only (in the New Testament) of ceremonial ablution, especially (technically) of the ordinance of Christian baptism.
John Gill notes;
Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water,.... Or "in water", as he himself says, Mat_3:11 John's baptism was water baptism, an immersion of persons in water: he was the first administrator of it.
Geneva commentary notes;
Mar 1:10 (5) And straightway (g) coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:

(5) The vocation of Christ from heaven, as head of the Church.

Mike wrote:
Climate change happened before there were automobiles and coal burning electrical generating power plants. It's perfectly normal. When will these ignorant head-nodders wake up?

2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

CoramDeo wrote:
Cleary there is superstion involved for those who feel a need to re-baptize. They are not looking at Christ's work but at themselves. I hope you don't fall into this catagory as well.

Would you accept the baptism of one who leaves the catholic church, gets saved and is led by the HOLY SPIRIT to get re-baptized in, lets say in a Presbyterian church, is looking not at CHRIST'S work but at man????

Faithful Remnant wrote:
I was baptized by immersion at 17 years of age upon profession of faith, but it was not until a few years later that I had a powerful experience of repentance and forgiveness. Sometimes I have considered being baptized again because of this sequence of events in my life. Anybody else have a similar experience?

beneath the waves wrote:
Don't forget John that "Believers submarine baptism" wasn't invented until the anabaptists got going.
And at first even they did not submerge into the murky depths.

A question for you, when did God institute the covenant of calvin?

1Ti 1:7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm

Michael Hranek wrote:
Hidemi Williges from San Francisco
Mike from NY
Hmmmm? Have you considered that Jesus told us that the end of days would be like the days of Noah and like the days of Lot AND THAT Lot moved his 'family' into Sodom and essentially lost everything including his wife, except his two unmarried daughters.

Yes, I do believe this. I think only a small remnant will be left.

Quesiton: Is this what we are seeing in "Christian Society" that churches are moving right into the world, or moving the world right into the church might be a clearer way of expressing what is going on and the world is taking its frightful toll?

I see the churches as adopting the world, with worldly practices such as psychology being implemented, modern music that holds no truths, catering to carnal needs and other such practices.

BTW I do believe what churches are doing is quite different from being in the world BUT NOT part of it.
Coram
I am a little puzzled with you. Do you mind sharing what your denomination is?

Mike wrote:
Exactly right, Hidemi. Funny how some seem to suggest something faulty in Baptist doctrine as the cause. Esp when it is the tradition bound mainstream churches that are weakening due to their liberalism. The young need something solid to believe in.

CoramDeo wrote:
Essentially baptists are only fulfilling part of the great commission, and that MAY be why children are leaving the churches.

Tuff Justice wrote:
Does this mean that in San Francisco you stone a thief to death together with his wife and kids?
As per
"And Joshua, and all Israel with him, took Achan the son of Zerah, and the silver, and the garment, and the wedge of gold, and his sons, and his daughters, and his oxen, and his asses, and his sheep, and his tent, and all that he had: and they brought them unto the valley of Achor.
And Joshua said, Why hast thou troubled us? the LORD shall trouble thee this day. And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones." Josh 7:24f
Boy Justice must be tough in Calafornia.

Contending for the Faith wrote:
This will probably shock you!!
BUT
16th century justice and punishment is DIFFERENT to 21st century.
Amazing eh???
Also the people in charge of justice and punishment in 16th century Geneva were CITIZENS; - NOT foreigners from france, like their local minister.
Amazing eh???
Are you from one of the Arminian save yourself churches??

Posteth wrote:
A clue I could provide for him is that Evangelical DOES NOT equal Liberal!!!

Actually it does. Just look at those who call themselves Evangelicals.

A question for you Baptists out there, "Is this Baptist World Alliance a Liberal grouping?"

Mike wrote:
And why should the location where old stuff is found have bearing? I hear all kinds of treasures are found buried in the dirt, and even gold coins are found in the muck at the bottom of the sea. Can you imagine discarding these things because they were found in a nasty place?

Garbage and useless waste is also found in the dirt, buried and discarded.

CoramDeo wrote:
Caution: Please stop teaching your unsaved children anything about Christ or the Gospel. You are in violation of Matthew 28:19. If they are not to be baptized until saved, then they are not to be taught until they are saved.