If I am, in your humble estimation, so far from God as you observe the 'goings-on' from your pedestal and are able to "discern" the thoughts and intents of my heart (which you say is impossible for a man to do) simply by changing what was actually said to fit your latest fantasy scenario, please tell me where is the "love" in your words to "bring me back into the fold" from which you say I have fallen? Oh, I forgot, you are all above answering questions, especially those of such a "pesky nature" that if answered with Biblical honesty would destroy your house of cards and great untenable humility. News flash!!! When God brings down a heretic it is nearly always with great PUBLIC HUMILIATION. But you, being the astute and learned physicians of the Word, know this already, don't you? (Sorry, another unanswerable question). Don't you teach that "love" is the root of everything in your scheme of doctrines? Why, yes, you do, SO WHERE IS THE LOVE FOR ME? I'm so glad your hypocrisy is on full display for all the world to see---that would be ALL men, EVERYWHERE. Keep up the great work.
If the learned Bible scholars who comment here had actually read the Bible WITH UNDERSTANDING then they would realize that the words that don't like to hear---those that expose their own evil---are simply a continuation of the Words of the Lord Jesus (the One you CLAIM to love and serve) Who regularly raked over the coals the religious know-it-all elites of His day. You would even know where they have been recorded for our reading pleasure. But reading and studying these seventy +/- instances would cause great depression as it would only further expose the evil some love to perpetrate on the unsuspecting all of which is done in the Name of Christ, but none of their blabber glories Him.
Christ chose everyone to either Eternal Life or eternal damnation, without your consent or knowledge, your eternal fate has been sealed from before the world began. That's plain enough speech even for a three year old, but astute and learned Bible scholars of our day can't stand the fact that God really is Sovereign and is eternally in charge of all events and of every man He has made. I don't expect the lost to believe that, only to fight against it.
Nearly all the heresies spawn from a defective view of predestination and election, especially those in the Arminian camp. Universal salvation denies dozens of Scriptures, lose of salvation accuses God of divorcing His Bride and blasphemes the Holy Spirit whose Seal must be broken to send the redeemed to hell. Now we have JC Ryle offered up as an expert on holiness when he fails miserably at Imputed Righteousness when he endorses universal salvation (thank you US of TN). The Sovereignty of God is relegated to a peak down the corridors of time to explain foreknowledge and predestination making His choice null, void, and of no effect. All in all, this "god" is useless, a joke, an embarrassment, one to be laughed off the stage and yet millions go to bat for this fool of an idol every day. It is "loved" as Diana of the Ephesians (it makes people nuts), sacrificed unto like Molech with their own children being the "gift" because they refuse to tell the Truth---something they have zero knowledge of. For all of this they expect the real born again people to treat them with kid gloves, agree with their lies in a show of "love" and "unity"---no thank you. But keep those cards and letters coming, your true colors are flying high and proud.
Mike said "has anyone here said actually said (sic) they believe God has sovereignly decreed universal salvation." Why yes, Mike, they have, all who preach this lie have done so by claiming that election stands along side of the universal nonsense and then blabber on about His Sovereignty like they knew what they were talking about---but they no clue. John UK, BMcC, Mike of New York, US, and the endless parade of well educated people who persecute Christ by their lies.
btw, Thanks for being rude and answering my question, what a glowing hallmark of those of the Arminian persuasion. True colors are hard to hide, are they not?
Mike wrote: Yet when the writings of the infallible One are denied via self-imagined exclusive special knowledge, multitudes(necessarily so) of explanatory words, and grammatical explosion, is not the Holy Spirit being blasphemed for he is being called a liar? Refuse to repent? Exactly why men are condemned.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: Sorry if I misunderstood If I canâ€™t be holier in my walk with God by His grace and for His glory then the command for me to pursue it is meaningless
US, did you repent at His command to do so under your own power or did He not give you the gift of repentance in order to obey Him? Was the faith you found to believe unto salvation dug up from the latent recesses of your inner most being or was this, too, a gift from God? Likewise, if you can conjure holiness by your own efforts, what need have you of grace? If you achieve this "holiness" by your own efforts, it will not be acceptable to Him because you got there by your own efforts (works) and He is One Who will not share His glory with another.
Your last comment (7/6/19 @9:34pm) is so direct and to the point. Yet the world seeks to "climb up some other way" to acquire what they think is "salvation." No where is that more obvious than on this thread. The insanity of self righteousness reigns supreme in the minds of those who think they have it all figured out, and yet they know nothing at all---they just repeat what others tell them to repeat and have no 'fountain of living water' within themselves.
"God does not infuse or impart a challenge to the righteousness and due honor of Christ within the believer. He destroys the notion" (unknown author). But the learned brethren and sisterhood here, on this thread, have done nothing but challenge His Righteousness with their every word. They seek to establish their own "righteousness" before God by reducing Him to something less than themselves, but never get past the fact that all their righteousness is as filthy rags before the Holy God who will judge them soon enough.
It is a wonder to watch and read the ignorance of such learned men and women who consider themselves above correction even by the Holy Spirit. If they were aware of their impending eternal judgment that is soon to take place, perhaps the boldness of their blasphemies would be curtailed, but instead their efforts are redoubled time and again as if their doom were not certain, and their mockery of the Sovereign Lord could continue forever. Is it a matter of casting one's pearls before swine to speak the Truth to such people? You decide.
Many say they want to hear the Lord say to them "Well done, good and faithful servant", but the vast majority of humanity will hear "Depart from Me, you that work iniquity I NEVER KNEW YOU." Which will ring in your ears on the day of your judgment?
I see that God is hardening your heart even further, John UK, with renewed hatred for Him and His servants, could it be any other way with you? You claim to be "Christian", to be "saved" and yet exhibit no LOVE whatsoever for those that do KNOW HIM. Perhaps you have forgotten the commandment of the Lord to 'love one another, as I have loved you.'
On to question two addressed to ALL who claim that Christ's sacrifice was good for all mankind: If your god and his 'savior' so loved the whole world why was ALL of mankind whipped out in the flood except for the appointed eight, Noah and his family; what is this "love" that you assign to your god?
Since John UK is still napping, perhaps you, B McC, or any of your co-hearts would care to have a go at question #1. It is a valid question that needs to be answered to establish the credibility or lack thereof for those who think they speak for the Sovereign God of Creation, but whose double mindedness shows up in their every word.
Sleep now, John UK, sleep. but do wake up with an answer to the question before you that you have no answer for. It is rude to carry on a polite conversation and not answer the question posed to you; if you cannot answer it, then say so.
For those who wish to perpetuate the myth of the all encompassing sacrifice of Christ please tell us why there is no Scripture where Christ said PLAINLY that He died for every human that ever lived and then left the choosing of heaven or hell to each man/woman. Please do this without contradicting the hundreds of verses that PLAINLY state the opposite, if you are able.
The questions have only begun; I start with the simple to test the "rude factor" that is the fall back position for those who have no answer, convoluted or otherwise. There has yet to be a cogent BIBLICAL response from any of the mockers of His Word and Person. It is increasingly obvious that Christ's Words and His very Person are an offence to many and yet those who malign Him expect to be rewarded in the end---and they will, with the Lake of Fire.
Arminians are strange folk. Truth is a stranger to them, contradiction their foundation, confusion their bedrock, and lies the strength of their vitriol. They steal the words of Christ and after mutilating them into oblivion, claim them as their own. One of them (John UK) recently railed on about the benefits of election and how wonderful it was that the saved are the elect and yet all his previous comments and the subsequent ones are a total contradiction to that one comment. Yet we are to believe that it is a scholarly work done for the glory his god. But the answer to one simple question eludes him: "how does one go about being born again?" It is noted that none of the other "well read" Bible scholars of the Arminian strip respond either. It is funny that they now resort to those who claim to be "reformed" and yet speak the same lies as they do. Spurgeon was/is a fence sitting charlatan who chose his side to fall on depending on his audience; JC Ryle, Charles Hodge, and whoever else you wish to present as your "proof text" are meaningless minions of satan.
The Words of Christ are an offense to every Arminian, why else must you try to destroy them? Why do you test Him as if He will not make good His Word in Rev. 22:18 & 19? You must be stronger and more important than Him.
B. McCausland wrote: DD Please, refrain from all those unfounded assunptions you state, for what you have no concrete grounds but presuppositions based on a particular set pattern of doctrine.
Not "unfounded" assumptions, but words straight from your mouth. You "presuppose" that God loves everybody no matter what and have yet to offer any such proof; instead, you malign His Character with lies taught in His Name, showing yourself to have no fear of God. Without a healthy fear of the Almighty Wisdom will elude being replaced by the strong delusion that He has sent your way in preparation for the Day that He will judge your every word against in unmerciful wrath.
Since you have taken the rude road and refused to answer a simple question or two, you now get angry when you cannot manipulate things to go your way, i.e., stop exposing the lies and the fraud. You have not one kind word for Christ, nothing that would glorify Him and now you demand to be treated with kid gloves----good luck with that.
B. McCausland wrote: Sorry, DD, Sophistry is never safe; then why is that the only tool in your box? Where is truth in all the double-speak from your mouth? Tell us, how does one become born again? Perhaps by recounting what a wonderful person you are and what an asset to God you would be. Or what God would be missing out on if He were not to choose you. This is the bottom line of the Arminian heresy that you spout and expect people to swallow---man's worth to God. The god you preach loves every person so much that, according to you, none will reside in hell, so who was it Jesus warned that there would be weeping and gnashing of teeth? Who is it that will be cast into the Lake of Fire along with the devil and his angels? Hell does not exist in your "gospel", neither does judgment administered by God. But, by golly, your fantasy god loves everybody and that's good enough for you! The real Gospel offends sinners, the cross offends sinners, Christ offends sinners, but you praise sinners with flattery and thoughts that your god loves them just as they are, but Scripture promises no such thing---as you very well know.
The god you portray does not exist in Scripture, but only in a well cultivated and wicked imagination. You have put your god in his cage requiring that he give what little glory he may derive to the humans who actually believe that they have a say-so in their eternal destiny. You know better, yet you continue to teach lies as if it were truth. You've never taken Scripture as a whole, but cherry-picked it to "prove" the heresies you teach; You leave out hundreds of verses that contradict the nonsense that falls out of your mouth and try to make people believe you are a spokesman for the Sovereign Creator---the One you do not know, nor does He know you. You are still judged by the words of your mouth which show nothing but mockery, disdain and hatred for the Almighty. The verses that you presented have been explained over and over to you and yet you still resort to the same old garbage in an effort to deceive the simple not unlike Job's three "friends" whose confusing speeches had no end. But God shut them up as I pray He will you. How magnanimous of you to "allow God to be God", surely He needed your words of encouragement. If you remain on this thread I will be happy to instruct you in what you consider the extremes of Sovereign Grace to your great consternation.
BmC according to your convoluted reasoning behind your post @ 12:16 today everyone on earth that ever lived should now be saved. That is the meaning behind the double speak you have employed for probably all your life, it insinuates that Christ has failed in His mission to "save the world" because you KNOW that all are not saved and yet insist that that was His stated mission from the get-go. By only making it "possible" for men to be saved put man in a position of authority above that of the Sovereign God whom your words only exhibit disdain and hatred. The evil required to do this is evidenced in the words you use. You worship a false Christ, not the Lord Jesus Christ. Such worship is vain and shows your true colors, that of a false prophet. The Lord Jesus was never kind to the ones whose hypocrisy reached the same level as yours, so don't expect any from Him, especially when He judges you.
Mike wrote: Hi Adriel, it's good to note the truth in the last sentence that man makes himself wicked, not that he was wicked before his birth and was created that way for God's glory, etc. He indeed made the wicked, i.e. as in he created them, but he did not make the wicked wicked. That's on them alone.
What you and your 'buds' fail to see (whether through ignorance or willfully) is that wickedness or the lack thereof IS NOT a determining factor in who is elected to life and who is appointed to damnation. Rom. 9:11 is plain enough, even for the blinded and yet is rejected by you and your buds in favor of the Golden Calf you drag around claiming it to be your god. It is "the good pleasure of His will" that determines who is saved---on purpose---and who is damned---on purpose---all of which was settled before the foundation of the world.
FYI, Darren nailed it concerning the false gospel of John UK, no doubt you ascribe to the same lies as evidenced by your speech.