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1/22/07 12:48 AM

Mark Shearar

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And yet the sad thing is, our inner light should shine so brightly and manifest itself in such an outward manner that they are drawn to *us* by our "good works". James says it best, "Faith without works is dead... I will show you my faith by my works". Jesus also said we should be the salt of the earth and the light on the hill. Our lives should reflect Christ in such a way that others are drawn to us because they see Christ in us.

1/21/07 11:20 AM

Mark Shearar

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Just a Person, Nobody Special,

Maybe no copying on this particular discussion, but I definitely saw it on the other tongues discussions I've seen on here. Even clicked on the lil magnifying glass next to the person's name to double check. But even those who don't copy and paste just rehash the same old same old with the same people from the last discussion. And on it goes... Maybe I should read some of the posts on regeneration for a change

1/21/07 9:56 AM

Mark Shearar

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Why is it that every topic that mentions tongues always has the same people copying and pasting their same comments from the same arguments on every other article discussing tongues. All that happens is that everyone gets hot under the collar, noone will ever convince the other person to change their beliefs (only God can convince / convinct a person), and Sermon Audio's database grows more bloated. Why not discuss the other basic doctrines of the faith? All we currently succeed in presenting to the world is a Church divided and beset by argumentative divisions.

1/9/07 3:40 AM

Mark Shearar

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What saddens me the most is the name of the ministry: ‘Ministry with Lesbians and Gay Catholics’. It's unfortunately not a ministry to deal with their condition (like Alcoholics Anonymous for example), but a ministry dedicated to affirming their abominable lifestyle. How can they read Duet, Leviticus or Romans and still claim that homosexuality is not a sin?!? It is an abomination unto God! Love the homosexual (as we would any sinner) but HATE his homosexuality.

1/8/07 5:18 AM

Mark Shearar

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Chris M said "Can you tell me why Pentis crave the least gift? The one that they can't put to any use helping someone else?"

I don't think it's a case of they crave the least gift, it's just that they spend so much time defending it from cessationists who can't stop harping on about it.

1/8/07 3:37 AM

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Dear Pistol Pete, thank you for the love of Christ so evident in your words and attitude. It is such that truly endear us to Christian and non-Christian alike and truly shows the face of Christ to the world.
Now, having read your answer "Then how come in Spurgeon's case he held to the 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith which is cessationist?!" I went and read the entire Confession of Faith and nowhere did I read anything about the gifts of the Spirit ceasing. Have you actually read said Confession?

1/8/07 2:20 AM

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msc said "But this leads to a new and unbiblical doctrine among them: Certain gifts ceased but others didn't. Error begets error."

Amen to that. If the gift of healing stopped for instance, why do they bother praying for healing? Is James 5:14-15 now considered unscriptural as, God forbid, someone got healed when a prayer was offered for them? And why do they make such a hullaballoo over tongues and healing? Last I checked there were 9 gifts of the Spirit in total:
A word or utterance of wisdom (1), of knowledge(2), the gift of faith (3), healing (4), the working of miracles (5), the gift of prophecy (6), discernment or distinguishing between spirits (7), tongues (8) and the interpretation of tongues (9).

1/7/07 1:51 PM

Mark Shearar

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continuation...

My point, tongues and the other gifts of the Spirit such as healing are not exclusive to the Charismatic / Pentacostal movements nor did they cease after the "apostolic era" ended (although I'm still waiting for someone to give me a date on when it actually did end) but have surfaced sporadically throughout history usually when there is a revival (a very misunderstood and abused word I might add) or awakening among God's people.

1/7/07 1:50 PM

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Robert Millar quoted "FULL Members Only: SermonAudio.com embraces the historic Protestant faith and is not open to the dissemination of such distinctive Charismatic and Pentecostalist views as extra-Scriptural revelations, tongues, healing, women pastors/preachers/elders, etc."

Then we'd better get rid of all teachings, sermons etc by Andrew Murray (who had lot's of gifts of the Spirit operating in his church), Jonathan Edwards (who started the Great Awakening in America), Charles Spurgeon (another great revivalist) etc. If you'll notice something else, these great men of God all predated the Pentacostal and Charismatic movements yet displayed the same gifts that these movements are now much maligned for (notice I said gifts not fruits please). Also the Quakers who got their name from all the shaking going on and the rolling around on the floor etc and the Methodists who under the Wesleys were known for their riotous "method" of worhsip.

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12/30/06 6:21 AM

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Now that has to be the driest humour I've seen in a long time.

11/29/06 9:33 AM

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CONT:
Btw, I believe that all the gifts of the Spirit are available for us today: prophecy, words of wisom, words of knowledge, healing, deliverance etc. I also believe that there are a lot of charlatans out there, some of them big wellknown televangelists (like a certain "Greek" whose name I won't mention). But I won't reject the work of the Holy Spirit just because of a few bad apples. Even in Acts we had the 7 sons of Sceva.

Tongues are a sign for the unbeliever but an edification for the believer.

11/29/06 9:33 AM

Mark Shearar

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Albert, regarding scriptures out of context it's something we're never going to agree on, you believe you're in context and I believe I'm in context. These comments are too short to go into a whole bible study on tongues.
On the mountain that day I was the only one who spoke in tongues not my friends. At the time I was attending a Baptist Church so tongues were never heard uttered. Our Pastor was not against our private use of them but the elders strongly discouraged their use. I now attend a church that is "charismatic in worship, evangelical in outreach and reformed in doctrine". So to answer your question, no I had never been in a prayer meeting where people were praying in tongues before I started praying in
tongues. The only other time I had heard them was the choir that day. However, due to my understanding of the scriptures and the fact that God's Word never changes I knew that the ability to pray in a heavenly language or to speak in another language was still for believers today. These gifts will only pass away when that which is perfect has come ie when Jesus comes to claim his own.

11/29/06 3:35 AM

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FR said "Not everybody speaks in tongues when the Holy Spirit comes upon them." - I quite agree. That's the one thing about the church I attend, there is no pressure to pray in tongues. We do pray together in tongues as a corporate body when at prayer meetings until someone starts praying in English when we basically cease praying so that we can agree with what is being said, then start in tongues again. However, we
make it clear at the beginning that if you don't pray in tongues it's no big deal, pray in English as the Spirit leads. In fact, all prayer should be praying in the Spirit, whether in be in your native tongue, a foreign tongue or a heavenly tongue.

11/29/06 3:33 AM

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FR said " If the Pentecostal Initial Evidence doctrine was correct, everybody should speak in tongues regardless if they are told or not how to speak." I don't believe the Pentecostal Initial Evidence doctrine is correct. I also don't believe you need people standing over you pressuring you to speak in tongues either. That's why I thank God
that when I first started praying in tongues it happened naturally, no other people praying in tongues that I might be mimicking (I am a skeptic by heart and dissect my experiences to pieces). God knew that if I'd started praying in tongues while others were praying in tongues I probably would not have believed that I had received a gift but would have thought I was unconsciously mimicking those around me.

11/29/06 1:50 AM

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Albert said "Just one question why are three "believers" speaking in tongues(languages)when the scripture tells you that they arn't for believers,1 COR 14-22? Then why did Paul say "I thank God that I speak in tongues more than any of you" (1 Cor 14:8). Are you saying that the Apostle Paul was not a believer?
Albert, I hate to say this, but the last time I discussed anything with a person who took scripture out of context too such a degree and focused on single verses instead of the whole chapter or book was with Jehovah's Witnesses. Try convincing them of Salvation by Grace alone or the deity of Christ! They know their single, out of context verses very very well, but that's the point, your verses are also being taken out of context.

By the way, with regards to your losing your post, I normally type it up in Notepad first then copy and paste into the site.

11/28/06 1:29 AM

Mark Shearar

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Certain comments were made regarding the sound of certain tongues and how can these possibly be a language. Have you ever heard Khoi-san? It consists primarily of clicks and whistles. Also, listen to a sermon by David Pawson on "Prayer in the Spirit". He relates how he was very skeptical of a certain pastor who started speaking in tongues. Many years later he was in a small village in Africa and heard the same language being spoken by the local tribesman. Just because it doesn't necessarily sound like a language to us does not invalidate it as a language. What about Chinese where the same word with a slightly different inflection can have a very different meaning, or English where the same sounding word can have a very different meaning depending on spelling, grammatical usage (verb, noun etc) and context. And again, who knows what the angels in heaven speak, I somehow doubt it's any language spoken on earth. See my comments earlier for my validations thereof.

11/28/06 1:28 AM

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Albert, you're asking for testimonies, well, here's mine. Circa 1992 I began to feel a tugging to go to a certain Jesus Miracle Convention that was happening in town. At the time I was an ex Jehovah's Witness, a pagan and very anti-christian so the tugging could only have been God "calling out his own". Anyway, two things stick out in my mind from that night... one was hearing the choir singing in tongues, it literally sounded like a choir of angels and was truly "a sign for the unbeliever"(2 Cor 14:22). The other was getting on my knees in the pastor's office at a small Methodist church about 20km's away and about 2 hours later and repenting of my sins and becoming born again. I first spoke in tongues (or other languages) about 6 months later when myself and two friends were praying on the slopes of Table Mountain one Wed night. At the time I was going to a Baptist church so you can forget the notion that I was "practising" for the next service, neither was I listening to the big name televangelists as we had no satellite TV in those days in SA. What I'm trying to say is that I was not influenced by anything other than the Bible and that the tongues came from nobody other than the Holy Spirit.

11/13/06 12:54 AM

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Remo said "The pentis are in my veiw better to spend more time in speaking about the dire need for santification than to speak in babble"

Other than the babble part I agree with this statement. There is too much talk about "health, wealth and self help" in the church today and not just among the charismatic / pentecostal movements. We spend too much time fighting about the non essentials and not enough time saving the lost. The Church needs to spend more time preaching about salvation, repentance and the propitiatory sacrifice of Christ and less time on silly side issues that are distracting us from the Great Commission!

11/13/06 12:54 AM

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Remo said "1 Corinthians 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
"except he interpret" end again your mis understanding."
Let's try that verse in Modern English shall we? From the ESV: "The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be built up." Now what he is saying is that the one who prophesies is greater than he who speaks in a tongue, unless that tongue is interpreted, then the one who had the interpreted tongue would be greater than the one who prophesied. Paul is not saying "don't speak in tongues for surely I tell you, after John dies all tongues shall be of the devil!" Rather he is saying that it would be better for the churh that is currently gathered in that one place to hear words spoken in their langauge that they might understand, ie, don't bring the sermon in tongues or bring a word in tongues cause what's the point, noone will understand! He is not forbidding the use of tongues as a private prayer language nor as a means of worship, he's exhorting us to bring order into the church.

11/13/06 12:53 AM

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Remo said "Which angels every said something that a person never understood! end of your argument.."
If this is the case, why would the Holy Spirit have caused Paul to differentiate between the languages of men and that of angels? Also, taken in line with 1 Cor 14:2, it's pretty obvious that some tongues are not meant to be understood by man, they are mysteries uttered to God alone. If any of you have even bothered to visit a Charismatic church you would have noticed that tongues normally only occur during worhsip or prayer. Even then, someone may be prompted to "bring a tongue" to the church as a whole which is then interpreted. Different tongues for different purposes...

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