Mike wrote: 1) In what way then would the Lord be longsuffering toward the elect, 2) when the timing of their repentance has been predestined by Him as well as the fact of it? 3)Has God need of patience with himself?
1) Longsuffering is God's attribute. 2) "ALL" is a reference to all the elect in the course of time. There is no need for God to wait for 'HIS' work to be done in or by the individual. That would be works based salvation ideology. 3) No!
None shall perish all the elect will be saved.
As I said below Mike "context" Read the before and after verses. This verse is Peter countering the ignorance of the worldly sinners who cannot understand the way of God. Note verses 3/4 3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming?"
ps You cannot fit your Arminian style free will choice of the mortal into this verse either.
2Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
1. "HIS" "promise" - What is the promise of God we perceive here - The opposite of "perish" ie life ie salvation. 2. "longsuffering" - Why? Is time and human use of time going to make any difference to salvation? No. 3. "not willing that any should perish" - This must relate directly back to the "promise" (receivers) of God, the elect will not perish but receive eternal life. Election the promise of God unto salvation is immutable. And it doesn't have anything to do with human input.
So why the verse on this subject?
Note previous verses 3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God ....
Therefore in the verse 9 above - All Peter is doing is allaying the doubts of some as to the return of Christ who will bring salvation and eternal life - against the worldly scorn.
Some things: 1) You seem to confine praying in Jesus name to the chapel. Is this not the same thinking of anti-Christians? One's faith may be expressed in the "church" on Sunday morn, as long as it stays there after the services? Is there Scriptural basis for this? "Just to clarify,the below scenario would be the example where a chaplain would be prohibited from preaching to those would were not able to leave"
2) Was Klingenschmitt found guilty of compelling subordinates to attend meeting against their will? "No as referenced above, this is an example of what is prohibted. I listed my understanding of what he was carged with."
3)"they may one day be called to take a stand.." I take it you think that time is not yet? At what point then should the servants of Christ say it's time to take a stand? Consider the "Context" of the 1930's German church. " In other words, we know the liberal agenda and they don't care what conservative chaplains think. To date, no one has said verses have to be cut out of Bibles. Should chaplains e compelled to validate homosexuality in any way, then you will see stand. Otherwise Mike, would you have the hundreds of conservative evangelical, reformed, and fundamentalist chaplains reign their commissions and leave the ranks to Satan?"
Was it really for praying in Jesus name or was it for attending political and media events in uniform such as when CH. Klingenschmitt did so across for the White House in direct disobedience to orders. Chaplains still have full liberty to reach from the Scriptures in chapel including praying in Jesus name when counseling/discipling military personel, but as an officer, they cannot compel subordinates to attend a meeting against their will. Nor could I in my civilian profession. The Chaplaincy is not a church, but a mission field where you are pastor to some and chaplain to all who have need. As like all servants of Christ, they may one day be called to take a stand for Scripture and their convictions in regard to the social engineering that is taking place.