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Great Sermon! It's been years since I have accepted the Lord Jesus and submitting to His lordship--I have never been to the church of Christ for I am married to an unbeliever. He threatened to disinherit me and drive me away from the house if I offend him regarding my desire. Am I under judgment if I neglect the church. I need help.
"I believe, JD, you are in need of prayer. Anyone who wants to aggressively force their version of what scripture means on others is dangerous and borders apostasy. In this age of great deception and apostasy, it is essential to allow the Holy Spirit to teach, and earnestly pray over and meditate upon God's Holy word. He will guide anyone through His word, if they sincerely ask Him and allow Him to take them through each passage. "precept upon precept, here a little, there a little" "
In a prior post
In reading Abigail's posts she implies Christians must strive to attain to sinless perfection and in so doing she denies the imputed righteousness of Christ and betrays herself as working to achieve perfection in the flesh. Instead of striving to continually reckon the old carnal nature dead (which is what we must do by grace) and looking to and resting on the righteousness and sinless perfection of Christ by faith; she works iniquity for whatever is not of faith is sin. ______
Contradictory, to say the least!! You mean if anyone studies and meditates upon God's Holy word, He will guide them through His word to embrace your theology, don't you?
Act 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
"Also Abigail Jesus does promise the fires of hell to those who do not believe." _____
Believe what? Your interpretation of the Scriptures?
All who do not believe the words of Jesus Christ, repent of their sins, accept His atoning blood for remission of their sins, be filled with the Holy Ghost and walk in newness of life, will burn in the fiery pits of hell.
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Luk 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
Luk 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
" Christianity is not divided. There is no division among those who hold to the truth. The division is within the house of Satan who is the master deceiver and desguises himself as an "angel of light". So, what you see as division is actually the work of the devil using the many "forms" of Christianity he has devised as his greatest tools. There will and can be only "one truth", and it is not the truth that comes from the traditions of men. It comes from the Bible alone, the Word of God. There is the truth. It is that form of doctrine which conforms to that Word which is Christianity. It is that objective form of doctrine that the Holy Spirit has inspired and continues to use to teach the children of God. Anything else is subjective and subject to be manipulated by men who lust for power and will not stop short of using religion to gain it." _____
Excellent Post, R. K.! Even though you and I are on the opposite sides of the fence.
"1./2 Nor do we today, Kevin wants to relive the past, if he was back there at that time, he would be toast I do not condon nor condem You + Kevin, have a problem with what Jesus did, what we are to do, what Jesus will do, and what christians are to do 3. But you do " ____
All of us would be toast if we did not keep silent about our beliefs if our beliefs were not in agreement with those in control, i.e., Catholics in their heyday, Reformers, etc.
You are not speaking the truth when you say you do not condone or condemn; you judge every time you post an opinion as does everyone else. You say we have a problem (your opinion). That, my friend, is judging.
" Thank you Abi I would not attempt to say if God hears your prayers. And upon the return of Jesus, He will destroy MANY. Where in the Bible does it state, a christian should allow heresy to be preached, wow,that could influence you. Woa, to you Not Christ like. Terry" _____
Jesus Christ did not kill those who opposed Him; He warned them of the wrath of God to come, if they did not repent. Neither did He send His disciples to kill those who preached a false Gospel, but rather to use the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God, to show them their error.
So where do you get the idea that it is Christlike to burn others at the stake over a low fire? If it were not for the laws of the land with punishment of offenders of the law, many "christians" would still be doing the same. People have murder in their hearts.
Luk 9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elijah did?
But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. Luk 9:55)
For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village. Luk 9:56)
" yes Murray. By their standards Paul could not have been a Christian because he was complicit in the killing of early Christians. We are all sinners and all need the faith and righteousness of Christ to be saved." _____
There is no comparison of Paul with Calvin, Luther, and Knox. Paul committed his acts of Christian persecution before he was born of the Spirit. He was a Hebrew of Hebrews, and according to righteousness of the law, blameless. Paul is not mentioned in the Gospels, therefore it is uncertain where he was during the ministry of Christ. God chose him because he was completely loyal to the Law and was true to his convictions. He was even more dedicated to Christ; his sufferings proved his unwavering love and devotion. He was martyred because of his faithfulness and love for Jesus Christ and the cross of Calvary.
Phi 3:5Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; 6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
"ps I'm I worthy of being burned at the stake for being anti-calv The answer, no But when added to the rest of your comments, mostly your theology (if it can even be concidered that) Yes, and at a low flame.
And one other thing Kevin Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you And please don't try and say anything about the translation I know who was lost in the translation Do you? And I'll say a prayer for you, and its not because I FEEL like it." ______
Sick! You don't love your enemies or you would not want to burn them with a low flame. No need to pray (which I seriously doubt you will do anyway) because your prayers are not heard. You are no different than the Catholics that slaughtered millions, the Reformers that put to death their those that opposed their doctrines, and the Muslims. You can hurl the same comments to me because I speak the truth to you about your condition, but I am not suggesting burning you with a low flameâI am suggesting you repent (and I will pray for you).
Hated by the World â âOne of the most searching and condemning sentences which ever fell from the Saviourâs lips was that uttered to His own unbelieving brethren: âThe world cannot hate youâ (John 7:7). If ever I become so one with the world, so tolerant of its spirit and atmosphere that I reprove it no more, incur not its hatred, rouse not its enmity to Christâif the world can find in me no cause to hate me and cast me from its company, then I have betrayed Christ and crucified Him afresh in the house of His friends. On intimate terms with this world that nailed Him to the tree? Perish the thought! In full identification with Christ the world can regard me as only fit for crucifixion. And as a disciple of Christ I should no more covet the favor of this crucified world than I would court and covet the smile of a cursed and crucified and expiring felon.â âfrom Born Crucified (p. 38) by L.E. Maxwell.
Tertullian said, âI find, then, that man was constituted free by God. He was master of his own will and powerâ¦For a law would not be imposed upon one who did not have it in his power to render that obedience which is due to law. Nor again, would the penalty of death be threatened against sin, if a contempt of the law were impossible to man in the liberty of his willâ¦Man is free, with a will either for obedience or resistanceâ¦I find, then, that man was constituted free by God. He was master of his own will and powerâ¦For a law would not be imposed upon one who did not have it in his power to render that obedience which is due to law. Nor again, would the penalty of death be threatened against sin, if a contempt of the law were impossible to man in the liberty of his willâ¦Man is free, with a will either for obedience or resistance.
Irenaeus said, âBy means of our first parents, we were all brought into bondage by being made subject to deathâ¦But man, being endowed with reason, and in this respect similar to God, having been made free in his will, and with power over himself, is himself his own cause that sometimes he becomes wheat, and sometimes chaff.â (A Dictionary of Early Christian Beliefs by David Bercot, published by Hendrickson P
"God commanded the Jews to obey the Law perfectly, when he knew that they would be able to do no such thingâ¦" ____
It is presumptuous thinking to say that no one that lived under the Law kept the Law. Paul said touching the righteousness which is of the Law, he was blameless.
Phi 3:4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: 5)Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; 6) Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the **righteousness which is in the law, blameless**.
The Law gave knowledge of sin and provided sacrifices for atonement of sin. You cannot lump all people of the Old Covenant together, and say that none kept the Law.
Luk 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abijah: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. 6) And they were both righteous before God, **walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless**.
"It always amazes me why some denominations must twist history to make their particular brand of heresy acceptable. But our NeoPapists the Arminians, such as Kevin and his ilk, still continue to try this." _____
If you have a defense for your argument, give it. Accusations against others is ludicrous. Much of the Calvinist's response is attack instead of reasonable debate. Another method they use is abuse of language. If a Scripture does not say what they want it to say, they change definitions of words to accommodate their doctrine, and falsely accuse others of doing the very thing they do.
"But it wasn't until the postwar era -- and a pair of evangelists from Tulsa, Oklahoma -- that "health and wealth" theology became a fixture in Pentecostal and charismatic churches.
Oral Roberts and Kenneth Hagin -- and later, Kenneth Copeland -- trained tens of thousands of evangelists with a message that resonated with an emerging middle class, said David Edwin Harrell Jr., a Roberts biographer. Copeland is among those now being investigated." ____
The only ones that are getting rich are the televangelists that exploit the gullible.
"The love of money is the root of all evil."
If people would believe the Word of God, they would know these wolves in sheep's clothing are frauds, but greed blinds their eyes.
"GK, I have heard you ask Abigail several times now, "Are you a Mormon?". Yet, she does not respond. Why is this such a difficult question for her? It must be concluded in the affirmative, otherwise she would deny it outright. Then again, she must also be aware of the implications of her answering in the affirmative. If she does answer in the affirmative, she has been around obviously to know where the next series of questions will lead, and that is straight to the divinity of Christ. Not only that, but what will be the impact of denial on her sinless perfection? Can she remain sinless and lie? It is easier on her conscience to remain silent and stay in the battle for error, polygamy, and the Mormon way. Thus, in her mind, the end justifies the means. This will result in interesting conclusions with regard to those who have hitched their theology train to hers. And so we wait for an affirmation, a denial, or more evasive manuevers with ambiguous language. ____
What false presumptions you make, R.K. You could read my prior posts and the posts of others to know the answer.
No, I am not Mormon and have never been affiliated with the cult. Space on comments is the reason I have not answered before.
2Ti 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
Heb 12:4-14 You have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin (v4). is speaking of persecution being the chastening and scourging that God uses to bring in His sons the peacable fruit of righteousness (v11) and make them partakers of His holiness (v10). Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: (v14)
"Witness" and "Martyr" are translated from the same Greek word, "martus" literally or figuratively; by anal. a "martyr".
Though [Jesus] were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; (Ch 5:8). How much more the many brethren that are being conformed to His image must learn obedience through the things God permits them to suffer. Although persecution is inflicted by wicked men, they do so by the permission of God for the perfecting of the many sons that Christ will bring to glory.
For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings (Ch 2:10).
That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; (Phi 3:10)