Neil wrote:
33K,
Speaking of "real church authority," remember Walt & his paleo-Presby micro-denomination? I don't know if he had to do with these folks, but it looks like their attempt to resurrect a no-holds-barred Covenanter church self-destructed in an flurry of excommunications (by email no less):
http://reformedveritas.blogspot.com/2006/11/rpna-to-rpnagm-chronologytimeline-under.html
I wonder if their victims even attend church anymore?

Pikestaff wrote:
But hey ho, without a real church authority in these countries and real Biblical doctrine, who can expect otherwise amongst politicians.

"BBC boss: Yes we are biased towards Islam"

I have read the article that is cross-referenced and see that either you have made an editorial change to the headline for your piece or the title of the original Telegtaph piece has now been corrected.

If it helps your case, let me refine my question to the specific issue of the US federal government owning any shares (ordinary or preference) in any company. Has it never happened before in any of the federal government's express areas where it has "powers" .... or even outside those areas? My guess is that this is not the first such case.....

Mike wrote:
Only if government has constitutionally authorized permission to be pragmatic. Government is subject to the law, after all.

So is there a constitutional ban on pragmatism (source please)? .... Of course you will forgive me for thinking that all of your revolutionaries (aka "patriots") who were behind your constitution were evident pragmatists who changed their own so-called patriotic allegiances on nothing more than a whim and a peer-pressure.

Neil,

RtG wrote:
I didn't know there was anybody left in the church of England that knew the truth. Theres hope for them yet.

GG wrote:
Getting back to the topic at hand. Yes Catholic's should be allowed to marry into the Royal Family, otherwise Britain's claim to freedom and justice are bad jokes told to a corpse.

GG wrote:
Yep! We get more BTU's from chubby Presbyterians than skinny Baptists, but that just means you have to use more of them! Question: How many Evangelicals can you get in a VW Bug? Answer: Two in the front, two in the back and 9000 in the ash tray.

Scott McMahan wrote:
Does Wall Street have the guts to pull its own plug and cover its bluff?

A virtuous candidate who can find?

Neil wrote:
They stepped in boldy where private finance was otherwise hesitant to tread, & now, we all pay the price.

It shows the background to lending in France and may well explain why some Europeans "ridicule" the US money meltdown.

Unfortunately Britain falls firmly in the camp of American lending practices in the name of the great "property owning democracy".

"When her daughter stopped paying the mortgage this spring, the woman was stuck with payments since her name was on the loan contract.
To stay current on the $500 monthly mortgage, she was faced with giving up a tithe to her local evangelical church of around $200 a month. Instead, she let the property go into foreclosure."

Observations:-
1. It is ungodly and sinful not to pay your debts. You are stealing from your creditor.
"Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift."

2."And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors" does not mean presuming the same upon our creditors.

3. It is ungodly and sinful to seek to pay God with a gift that rightly belongs to another (even a bank).
"for I will not take that which is thine for the LORD, nor offer burnt offerings without cost."

Mike wrote:
How about this shriek. ....
No important difference between soc,fas,com, is there?

Depends upon whether a thin veneer is an important difference or not I suppose ......

I think government should stay out of the financial markets except as a regulator. However, if they are going to intervene with massive dollars then frankly they should be purchasing, nationalising the companies they are baling out at current fair market value. Then breaking them up into smaller competitive companies and then floating them off again at a profit for the taxpayers benefit.

And the executive bonuses of the incumbent management should not be protected. And artifical profits should not be paid to these bankrupt financial institutions. That's fraudulent.

"Satire
(From Nave's Topical Bible)

Hannah’s song of exultation over Peninnah
1 Samuel 2:1-10; 1:5-10

Of Jesus against hypocrites
Matthew 23:2-33; Mark 12:13-40; Luke 11:39-54

See IRONY

See SARCASM "