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FRONT PAGE  |  9/20/2019
THURSDAY, AUG 22, 2019  |  37 comments
China Pays Twitter To Promote Propaganda Attacks On Hong Kong Protesters
Twitter has been allowing promoted tweets—essentially targeted ads— to be placed by China's state media, attacking pro-democracy protesters in Hong Kong and blaming those campaigners for the escalating violence and civil unrest.

The use of social media to peddle political and electoral interference is not new—it is a major theme of the backlash against social media. Usually, though, it is more subtle and cleverly orchestrated than the blunt promoted tweets that China's state media has been paying Twitter to publish. ...


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News Item8/30/19 9:53 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
The Quiet Christian wrote:
John, you misquoted Jesus words and took His command to Peter in the garden out of context.
Ahem bro, that is quite a charge. Can you prove it? Just show me where I am supposed to have done this terrible thing.

The Quiet Christian wrote:
Our God does not change, and His commandments do not change either.
Ah, so you want to bring the Christian church under the law of Moses, eh?
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News Item8/30/19 9:13 AM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
John, you misquoted Jesus words and took His command to Peter in the garden out of context.

If you are going to tell me the NT trumps the OT, our conversation is over. The NT explains and in parts completes the Law but does not replace the OT. Our God does not change, and His commandments do not change either. If self-defense and fighting for freedom were Lawful in the OT, you are hard pressed to claim some NT-only warrant applies sans OT.

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News Item8/30/19 8:23 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Christopher000 wrote:
Good morning John,
I'm surprised that, "whoever shall live by the sword, shall die by the sword", along with Christ's response to Peter in Matthew 16:23, "...get thee behind me, Satan...", is being used by yourself and BM as prooftexts against situational self-defense. The context is about defending Christ, and hindering Christ's sacrifice.
Precisely, Christopher, and that is why I argued with QC for using what he did, as a NT example.

Of course, he couldn't find any other NT example because there isn't one, and this example is a case of "clutching at straws", desperately trying to justify transgression by using an incomparable or irrelevant example.

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News Item8/30/19 6:47 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Good morning John,

I'm surprised that, "whoever shall live by the sword, shall die by the sword", along with Christ's response to Peter in Matthew 16:23, "...get thee behind me, Satan...", is being used by yourself and BM as prooftexts against situational self-defense. The context is about defending Christ, and hindering Christ's sacrifice.

John 18:11 adds to the command to put the sword into its sheath the words, “The cup which My Father hath given Me, shall I not drink it?” an echo of the prayer that was uttered before in the hour of His agony. The words that Matthew gives are obviously not a general rule declaring the unlawfulness of all conflict, offensive or defensive, but are limited in their range by the occasion, situational self-defense. Resistance at that time would have involved certain death, and it would have been fighting not for God, but against Him, and against the fulfilment of His purpose.

I think it's natural to see a warning from those words that's applicable to all occasions, but in whatever other cause it may be lawful to use weapons; self-defense, it's not wise or right to draw the sword for Christ and His Truth, or in all situations.

Every commentary I've read agrees with this context.

What think ye?

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News Item8/30/19 5:08 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
The Quiet Christian wrote:
1. Best example I can give is Jesus' arrest and Peter's armed response.

2. The NT examples we have reflecting conflict are mostly within Acts. Fleeing is not the only action therein. There are also appeals to the contemporary legal structure by the Apostle Paul, proclaiming his rights as a Roman citizen.

1. Bro, this is no example. Jesus had already said once to Peter, "Get thee behind me, Satan," when Peter suggested he would protect his Master from harm. See Matthew 16:21-23 and Matthew 26:51-52.

2. Yes, most acceptable! Fleeing, or appealing to the local authorities have both got biblical warrant, and enables the one who obeys such to wear the SS badge (sola scriptura). Those without warrant have to wear the IDIMW badge (I did it my way).

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News Item8/30/19 12:51 AM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
Most examples of conflict are OT, but seeing as our God changes not, those examples stand up for us as well. However, there is prophesy from Revelation in which the Lord Jesus will lead His army although the sword that proceeds from His mouth is the only weapon mentioned being used. Psalm 110 likely relects this as well.

The NT examples we have reflecting conflict are mostly within Acts. Fleeing is not the only action therein. There are also appeals to the contemporary legal structure by the Apostle Paul, proclaiming his rights as a Roman citizen.

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News Item8/29/19 6:00 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
Best example I can give is Jesus' arrest and Peter's armed response. Jesus told.him his response was not appropriate for the time.
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News Item8/29/19 6:51 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
The Quiet Christian wrote:
1. So it seems, John. They also seem to apply to the current question of armed congregations.
2. When Bloody Graham was chasing Presbyterians across the moors, murdering, raping, and pilaging, it seems to me some of those Presbyterians fought back. Was that a Biblical use of force or outside the scope of Scripture? They were, in fact, actively opposing the direct edicts of the Crown.
1. Well you know what I think about that, QC.

2. Jesus gave some teaching about this, and it involved fleeing not fighting. Maybe you can give me some examples in the NT of Christians fighting with deadly weapons for their survival.

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News Item8/28/19 9:56 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
So it seems, John. They also seem to apply to the current question of armed congregations.

When Bloody Graham was chasing Presbyterians across the moors, murdering, raping, and pilaging, it seems to me some of those Presbyterians fought back. Was that a Biblical use of force or outside the scope of Scripture? They were, in fact, actively opposing the direct edicts of the Crown.

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News Item8/28/19 2:30 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
The Quiet Christian wrote:
But as promised, here are some verses to uphold the work of the Hong Kong protestors:
A righteous man falling down before the wicked, is like a troubled well and a corrupt spring. - Proverbs 25:26
And from that day half of the young men did the labor, and the other half part of them held the spears, and shields, and bows, and habergeons: and the Rulers stood behind all the house of Judah. They that built on the wall, and they that bare burdens, and they that laded, did the work with one hand, and with the other held the sword. For every one of the builders had his sword girded on his loins, and so built: and he that blew the trumpet, was beside me. - Nehemiah 4:16-18
Then he said to them, But now he that hath a bag, let him take it, and likewise a scrip: and he that hath none, let him sell his coat, and buy a sword. - Luke 22:36
Well, well, QC. Now I seem to have read those verses on these very threads only recently.
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News Item8/27/19 6:07 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
But as promised, here are some verses to uphold the work of the Hong Kong protestors:

A righteous man falling down before the wicked, is like a troubled well and a corrupt spring. - Proverbs 25:26

And from that day half of the young men did the labor, and the other half part of them held the spears, and shields, and bows, and habergeons: and the Rulers stood behind all the house of Judah. They that built on the wall, and they that bare burdens, and they that laded, did the work with one hand, and with the other held the sword. For every one of the builders had his sword girded on his loins, and so built: and he that blew the trumpet, was beside me. - Nehemiah 4:16-18

Then he said to them, But now he that hath a bag, let him take it, and likewise a scrip: and he that hath none, let him sell his coat, and buy a sword. - Luke 22:36

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News Item8/27/19 5:36 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
So sorry, John. My device hung up and didn't seem to load. Then all of a sudden, I didn't seem so quiet anymore.

My point with the WSC Q&A is that the Bible is our only rule for how to glorify and enjoy the Lord. Which makes the Bible our only try source of reference for living. So the Just War doctrine must be based on Scripture or be baseable on Scripture as there is some doubt that those who crafted it were basing it on Scripture. But, you have a bit of a description. I initially looked into the Law of War recently published by DoD, but that was much longer and didn't deal with this issue directly.

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News Item8/27/19 3:47 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Quiet Christian, thank you for telling me eight times.

I've downloaded the pdf on just war theory. It is 87 pages and couched in rather highbrow scholar-style language, which I might find difficult, being, as it says, a bridge builder between the military and academia. However, I will try to slowly go through it, maybe even have it as a winter project. Thank you.

Question 2 WSC is a good answer to a good question, but does not give any idea as to what to do if scripture is unclear or silent. I think my word/Word principle is far better. If you look into this, especially asking missioners, you will find they used this principle, but never said so in case they were accused of some form of mysticism.

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News Item8/27/19 12:49 AM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
Heading to bed myself, John, but the Just War doctrine is a seculsr doctrine which basically states that wars are to be defensive in nature, either of oneself (right to self defense) or for the defense of others. There has been a movement recently to include human rights. In the morning, I can find verses to support self-defense & defense of others. In the meantime, you might consider this thought piece from the US Army War College if you are really curious:

http://publications.armywarcollege.edu/pubs/3546.pdf

However, something tells me that you are really asking for the Biblical doctrine that backs up the secular, which is an honest and good question (WSC Q&A 2). Again, that's for tomorrow. I think your answer to this entire issue of fighting for one's freedom is wrapped up in self-defense.

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News Item8/27/19 12:49 AM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
Heading to bed myself, John, but the Just War doctrine is a seculsr doctrine which basically states that wars are to be defensive in nature, either of oneself (right to self defense) or for the defense of others. There has been a movement recently to include human rights. In the morning, I can find verses to support self-defense & defense of others. In the meantime, you might consider this thought piece from the US Army War College if you are really curious:

http://publications.armywarcollege.edu/pubs/3546.pdf

However, something tells me that you are really asking for the Biblical doctrine that backs up the secular, which is an honest and good question (WSC Q&A 2). Again, that's for tomorrow. I think your answer to this entire issue of fighting for one's freedom is wrapped up in self-defense.

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News Item8/27/19 12:49 AM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
Heading to bed myself, John, but the Just War doctrine is a seculsr doctrine which basically states that wars are to be defensive in nature, either of oneself (right to self defense) or for the defense of others. There has been a movement recently to include human rights. In the morning, I can find verses to support self-defense & defense of others. In the meantime, you might consider this thought piece from the US Army War College if you are really curious:

http://publications.armywarcollege.edu/pubs/3546.pdf

However, something tells me that you are really asking for the Biblical doctrine that backs up the secular, which is an honest and good question (WSC Q&A 2). Again, that's for tomorrow. I think your answer to this entire issue of fighting for one's freedom is wrapped up in self-defense.

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News Item8/27/19 12:49 AM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
Heading to bed myself, John, but the Just War doctrine is a seculsr doctrine which basically states that wars are to be defensive in nature, either of oneself (right to self defense) or for the defense of others. There has been a movement recently to include human rights. In the morning, I can find verses to support self-defense & defense of others. In the meantime, you might consider this thought piece from the US Army War College if you are really curious:

http://publications.armywarcollege.edu/pubs/3546.pdf

However, something tells me that you are really asking for the Biblical doctrine that backs up the secular, which is an honest and good question (WSC Q&A 2). Again, that's for tomorrow. I think your answer to this entire issue of fighting for one's freedom is wrapped up in self-defense.

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News Item8/27/19 12:48 AM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
Heading to bed myself, John, but the Just War doctrine is a seculsr doctrine which basically states that wars are to be defensive in nature, either of oneself (right to self defense) or for the defense of others. There has been a movement recently to include human rights. In the morning, I can find verses to support self-defense & defense of others. In the meantime, you might consider this thought piece from the US Army War College if you are really curious:

http://publications.armywarcollege.edu/pubs/3546.pdf

However, something tells me that you are really asking for the Biblical doctrine that backs up the secular, which is an honest and good question (WSC Q&A 2). Again, that's for tomorrow. I think your answer to this entire issue of fighting for one's freedom is wrapped up in self-defense.

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News Item8/27/19 12:48 AM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
Heading to bed myself, John, but the Just War doctrine is a seculsr doctrine which basically states that wars are to be defensive in nature, either of oneself (right to self defense) or for the defense of others. There has been a movement recently to include human rights. In the morning, I can find verses to support self-defense & defense of others. In the meantime, you might consider this thought piece from the US Army War College if you are really curious:

http://publications.armywarcollege.edu/pubs/3546.pdf

However, something tells me that you are really asking for the Biblical doctrine that backs up the secular, which is an honest and good question (WSC Q&A 2). Again, that's for tomorrow. I think your answer to this entire issue of fighting for one's freedom is wrapped up in self-defense.

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News Item8/27/19 12:48 AM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
Heading to bed myself, John, but the Just War doctrine is a seculsr doctrine which basically states that wars are to be defensive in nature, either of oneself (right to self defense) or for the defense of others. There has been a movement recently to include human rights. In the morning, I can find verses to support self-defense & defense of others. In the meantime, you might consider this thought piece from the US Army War College if you are really curious:

http://publications.armywarcollege.edu/pubs/3546.pdf

However, something tells me that you are really asking for the Biblical doctrine that backs up the secular, which is an honest and good question (WSC Q&A 2). Again, that's for tomorrow. I think your answer to this entire issue of fighting for one's freedom is wrapped up in self-defense.

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