Robertson says idea that universe is 6,000 years old is 'nonsense'
Conservative Christian televangelist Pat Robertson rejected the belief that the universe is only 6,000 years old, calling it ‚Äúnonsense.‚ÄĚ
‚ÄúThis universe that we live in is ‚Ä¶ 14 billion years old and there‚Äôs no question about it and we have tremendous geological records and all the rest of it and that 6,000 year stuff just doesn‚Äôt compute,‚ÄĚ the host of CBN‚Äôs ‚ÄúThe 700 Club‚ÄĚ said on his show Tuesday.
Robertson, 89, was responding to a viewer who was confused by what she learned in church ‚ÄĒ ‚Äúthat the time of creation was 6,000 years ago ‚ÄĒ versus what science says ‚ÄĒ that ‚Äúdinosaurs are ‚Ä¶ millions of years old.‚ÄĚ...
Christopher000 wrote: Oops...thanks John. I've always mixed up diameter and circumference. I meant, circumference. Thanks for the correction.
This past Sunday at my Baptist Church the sermon given by Pastor Steve was titled "Legion" from Mark 5:1-20 about the demon possessed man that Jesus commanded the demon spirits to go into those pigs. Then after worship there was a meeting for the members to confirm a man to become the new Deacon. I voted yes for the man to become the new Deacon.
Diane Wrote: "This from the wolf in sheep‚Äôs clothing who said a man can divorce his wife if she has Alzheimers..."
Hi Diane, Pat Robertson really said that? Unreal. I wonder how he wiggled scripture around to justify that little gem. I wonder if his premise was that if one spouse didn't remember the other, then they don't remember getting married, so the marraige is null and void, since one half doesn't remember it anyway? This is the only nonsense I can imagine that he may have come up with
This from the wolf in sheep‚Äôs clothing who said a man can divorce his wife if she has Alzheimer‚Äôs. What a plague on our nation the Robertson‚Äôs, Osteen‚Äôs, Copeland‚Äôs, Hinn‚Äôs, Moore‚Äôs, etc, are. They are of their father, the devil.
6000 years only becomes quote, "nonsense" when the UNfaithful non-christian computes the age.
Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."
"When we start our thinking with God‚Äôs Word, we see that the world is about 6,000 years old. When we rely on man‚Äôs fallible (and often demonstrably false) dating methods, we can get a confusing range of ages from a few thousand to billions of years, though the vast majority of methods do not give dates even close to billions.
Cultures around the world give an age of the earth that confirms what the Bible teaches. Radiometric dates, on the other hand, have been shown to be wildly in error.
The age of the earth ultimately comes down to a matter of trust‚ÄĒit‚Äôs a worldview issue. Will you trust what an all-knowing God says on the subject or will you trust imperfect man‚Äôs assumptions and imaginations about the past that regularly are changing?" (B. Hodge) https://answersingenesis.org/age-of-the-earth/how-old-is-the-earth/
10 Best evidences that confirm 'young earth' = https://answersingenesis.org/evidence-for-creation/the-10-best-evidences-from-science-that-confirm-a-young-earth/
Christopher000 wrote: I was just listening to a Creation Research clip on the radio, "Science, Scripture, and, Salvation, and here's an interesting factoid: if you were able to put a car on the sun, an drove it at 60mph around its diameter, it would take 5yrs to make it back to your starting point.
Did you hear it right, Christopher? If you travel the diameter, you don't go around it but along it, and you never see your starting point ever again. But circumference, now that is different.
I was just listening to a Creation Research clip on the radio, "Science, Scripture, and, Salvation, and here's an interesting factoid: if you were able to put a car on the sun, an drove it at 60mph around its diameter, it would take 5yrs to make it back to your starting point.
Bacterial flagellum, a sub microscopic motor packed into a sub microscopic bacterium, complete with rotors, stators, and ball bearings, etc...God is amazing.
JaG Wrote: "No one can deny that the fossil layers are evidence of mass death..."
I'm sure you know what circular reasoning is, and that this method qualifies any answer as the most ridiculous of explanations, but the brightest minds fall prey to it, when they don't have the answers. Evolutionary scientists have been quoted saying that they determine the age of a fossil by the layer of rock strata that it's found in, and determine the age of rock strata by the fossils that are found within them. Crazy stuff.
The problem here is that Robertson is arguing for the age of the universe, not the earth. He is using the same concepts as a Seventh Day Adventist who has an astronomy ministry (foggy brain can't think of his name). He claims that the earth is young but the universe is old based on the time/istance "problem" of distant starlight.
But like Frank and others have said, the Lord most likely didn't create Adam as an infant. Likewise, the Lord easily could have created the light enroute en route distance places to instantly fulfill the role He intended for signs and seasons when He created the heavens on Day 4.
And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven, to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years. And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. God then made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made also the stars. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven, to shine upon the earth, and to rule in the day, and in the night, and to separate the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. So the evening and the morning were the fourth day. - Genesis 1:14-19
Trying to fit an old earth into the Bible is like trying to put steak into an infants mouth...
I have always found it interesting that when people are attempting to fit a old earth into view into the Bible they go back to the creation week...Why? Because the rest off the Bible is governed by genealogies, effectively destroying any type of place where you can fit an old Earth...
Trying to claim that God made each day represent billions of years is down playing on God's power. If God wanted to make each day represent billions of years, Moses would have written "in the third TIME God created plants". Instead he says days, and ends it with "and there was evening and there was morning, the third day". That is a 24 hour period. No bones about it...
Some seem to hold that a young earth is an impossibility because of the amount of time it would take for light from distant stars to reach the planet. But what is a little thing like time to Him that inhabiteth eternity? God started time, and He has been known to stop and even reverse it. Yes, let‚Äôs give God credit‚ÄĒfor being able to do wonders regardless of our inability to comprehend how He did them.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: This is the old which came first the chicken or the egg debate. You cannot read Genesis 1 without realizing God created things with the appearances of age. Adam and Eve were full grown adults on the first day of their existence. The trees were fully grown and bearing fruit and God told full grown animals to go out and multiple after their kind (something baby animals don't do). Thus it is fair to conclude that the stars shined in the firmament regardless of how many light years they were distant from us. The heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament shows His handiwork.
Well brother, I think you are right on. I have heard the argument that if God created things with age, that was a form of deception. I deal with that by simply saying Adam was in fact older; not just with the appearance of being older. Like I said earlier, when God created the light from the stars, He created it as already being within our sight. This is not OEC or the gap theory or theistic evolution. God did all this thousands of years ago and there was nothing when He started.
I dunno, Peter. Old Pat may have a point. The other day on the 700 Club, he was offering everyone who sent in a love offering of a hundred dollars a Lincoln penny minted in 13,000,000,000 BC. I don‚Äôt see how you could find more convincing proof than that.
Come on people! Get a clue! There is absolutely zero evidence to support the old earth viewpoint. All you have to do is watch a debate between bill nye (the liar guy) and ken ham and you will know that what Mr ham says is true if you have any sense! I don‚Äôt see how people can feel good about calling themselves Christians and believe in the old earth when they know the truth in their hearts
Matthew 28:12-15 KJV (12)¬† And when they were assembled with the elders, and had taken counsel, they gave large money unto the soldiers, (13)¬† Saying, Say ye, His disciples came by night, and stole him away while we slept. (14)¬† And if this come to the governor's ears, we will persuade him, and secure you. (15)¬† So they took the money, and did as they were taught: and this saying is commonly reported among the Jews until this day.
or God, as in...
Luke 24:33-34 KJV (33)¬† And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them, (34)¬† Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.
The Lord appeared to Simon, and to the others, and they knew he was risen again, without the help of apologetics, scientists, books about resurrection, high priests or scribes, or even the internet.
I don't think Romans 10:17 is being demonstrated as a proof for YEC or OEC, but is indeed being given for the biblical means by which Faith comes. Hence the comment of Bro, John "I never did like apologetics as a means to bring others to faith."