Neil wrote: I have trouble imagining that very many schoolchildren, in secular or Christian schools, have been briefed fully on the background of the Scrooby Separatists... . After all, issues like Calvinism (pastor Robinson vs. Episcopius at U. of Leyden) & the Regulative Principle might invite awkward questions.
As regards Baxter, I could not put him in the same category as the Dissenters or Presbyterians it is the cause after all that determines truly persecuted persons for the truth.
I do not know what you are referring to as far as the Scrooby Separatists but my fathers were sworn against Prelacy, Independency, and Separatism as well as Popery and what I do know of the Pilgrim Fathers from American History (biased) and reading Cotton Matther's History of this nation, concerns me. The wide spread ignorance among so many proud professors is disconcerting. But God is able to humble his people. This I know experiencially, and no chastening seemeth to be joyous but grievous...
Neil wrote: And the "issue" that Redundancy reminded us about was being a slave to Christ, & whatever that means.
Thank you Neil your response on both counts was instructive. I found it interesting that I posted after you and not having read yours we were both referring to the same suffers for righteousness, or those whose example identified then as doulos of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Slavery has been an issue that has divided the church but I believe we were trying to identify the church by its historic testimony, at least I was. I tend to believe we would not agree on a number of issues from reading your posts, but we agree on some and that that last two comments were less edifying. 2Cor.8:1b"Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth. 2And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.3But if any man love God, the same is known of him.
days of yore wrote: For example many of the Scottish Covenanters were sent to America in this way. Life was cheap especially if you were born into serfdom and sombody 'owned' you.
My point, apparently you prefer (Wiki)to better sources of history? Your use of it appears somewhat curious, ergo confusing.
There is a difference between a just and unjust wielding of the civil sword and contrasting tyranny with justice to make your point is antitruth.
The best example of Christian slaves (made so by men) because they were the bond servants of Jesus Christ is given in the book: "A Cloud of Witnesses" In the 1600's the Stuart monarchy took their own citizens that contradicted a perfidious throne and sent them as slaves to America, many dying from conditions on route. For too long their sad bondage by men has been ignored. Their posterity were major opponents to slavery in the US.
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