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 3/22/12 5:05 PM |
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Mike wrote:
Heidelberg Catechism etc---
1 Cor.3:16 Know ye(believers) not that ye(believers) are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 1 Cor.6:19 What? know ye(believers) not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye(believers) have of God, and ye are not your own? And the *ONLY* way which a sinner can convert into a "believer" (faith) and have spiritual knowledge - is by the work of the Holy Spirit - which post Pentecost HE carries out by indwelling. This is the seal/stamp of the Spirit filled Christian.Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, You only have the seal/stamp after His work is completed - NOT before. Because
1Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; |
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| 3/22/12 3:20 PM |
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Curious wrote:
The scriptures teach indwelling after faith. Still NO proof!!I win this one by default alone. You and nobody else has proven your "distance" theory. Whereas Indwelling of the Holy Spirit as an absolute necessity is stated in Scripture. Faith IS the work of the Holy Spirit so NOTHING can happen outwith His indwelling an event heralded by Pentecost. I call again to all of you PROVE your 'distance' theory as an event prior to indwelling - or acknowledge my correct exegesis. ________________ Mike wrote:
Question: Why did God send forth the Holy Spirit into your hearts? To 'work' faith, the gift of God, in their hearts thereby calling, regenerating and converting the elect. All the work of divine hands, namely the Holy Spirit.The ordo salutis is 1) election, 2) predestination, 3) gospel call 4) inward call 5) regeneration, 6) conversion (faith & repentance), 7) justification, 8) sanctification, and 9) glorification. (Rom 8:29-30) |
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| 3/22/12 1:39 PM |
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Curious wrote:
biblical calvinists I guess what you are concerned about is the Biblical fact of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
The debate is well over now but one thing I did observe is that those who seek to establish the twofold operation of the Spirit, together with the "intermediate" stage of existence between flesh and Spirit stages, did not prove their theory from Scripture or anywhere else.The ideology that the Spirit works first from a distance and subsequently from indwelling is just not Biblical. So where this hypothesis comes from I do not know, neither it would seem do any of the Biblical Calvinists in history. Simply put
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh,
# Means NOT as in negative which means the Spirit dwells in the believer. but in the Spirit,
# Which is confirmed here. if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
# And confirmed more clearly and categorically here. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
# Whereas this part of the verse distinguishes the non-Christian from the true Christian. NO Spirit - NO Christian. As you can see plainly there is nothing regarding the Spirit having to stand at a distance metamorphosing? transmuting? the sinner into an acceptable..? |
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| 3/22/12 12:07 PM |
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Arminian Heresy - Synergism!"one aberration of the Gospel has recurrently threatened the truth. It is the view that man must make some contribution himself in securing his salvation." "Meanwhile Arminius, assuming this active ability on the part of the unregenerate man, argued that the basis of Predestination to Election was God's foreknowledge of those who would exercise this capacity responsively. And by this heresy he left a similar community of misguided followers both in Holland and, even more seriously, in England and the New World, who, holding the synergistic view, formed a further major division of the Church of God. Methodism, and out of Methodism a number of other denominational bodies, cultivated the error which has largely inspired modern evangelistic methods. Such human techniques of persuasion are held to be in line with God's appointed method of reaching the unregenerate. Thus man usurps the convicting role of the Holy Spirit of God." (A.C.Custance) "Thus man usurps the convicting role of the Holy Spirit of God."
This so well describes the conviction of some who rejected the indwelling of the Holy Spirit; - only to advocate the sinner semi-independantly overcoming dead in sin, enmity and spiritual blindness - all from a distance?? |
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| 3/20/12 5:51 PM |
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John UK wrote:
this issue revolves around the "indwelling" Then define indwelling.Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
# why? (NB only two types)
Ans: 7 Because the carnal mind is (1)enmity against God: for (2)it is not subject to the law of God, (3)neither indeed can be.
# So what? (NB (3) CANNOT be, no option)
Ans: 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
# Then what of those who are "in the Spirit?
Ans: 9 (i)But ye are not in the flesh,
# NOT identifies negative type here as flesh which we know are natural man in dominion of sin. Unsaved!
(ii) but in the Spirit,
# Thus here is the alternative type now saved, a Christian.
(iii) **IF SO BE** that the Spirit of God DWELL in you.
# This further qualifies the saved, believer. He must have the Holy Spirit indwelling.
(iv) Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ,
# Further qualifying this person is still in the flesh, as not in the Spirit - therefore is not saved, not Christian and importantly does not have the indwelling Spirit.
(v) he is none of his.
# Finally here we have the ultimate terrible disclaimer, disavower - Those without the Spirit indwelling are not of Christ. Are on the road to hell! |
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| 3/20/12 3:44 PM |
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Mike wrote:
Work of the Spirit does not require living in the sinner to move him True! But it is what God established at Pentecost and from then on.The work of the Spirit "outside" the sinner is actually oxymoron. His "work" must realistically be on the inside and the physical exists within an omnipresent spiritual realm. |
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| 3/20/12 2:43 PM |
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John UK wrote:
Same place as Charles Hodge.  In other words John - You can't prove it!!You'd better watch out John there is some unorthodox ideologies flying about here. Like those who are claiming that GOD the Holy Spirit cannot indwell - because of some very vague theory!! _________________ Not Impressed wrote:
Since the Holy Spirit is Omnipresent, and Omnipotent, would you care to explain why he must indwell a person to accomplish His work? Do you suppose that the Almighty is straitened in His power unless he indwells? Indwelling was introduced By God after Christ was glorified and after Pentecost. This is the purpose and plan of God. Why seek to forestall that?Indwelling was prophesied by Christ...
John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, AND SHALL BE *IN* YOU. BTW John 7:37-39 are the verses which David Murray referred to below preaches on in [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=917111335262]]]The Holy Spirit was not yet[/URL] How about you check it out? |
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| 3/20/12 12:10 PM |
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Not impressed wrote:
But that is not to say that he indwells a person before faith You still have not come up with a credible Biblical alternative.And as Scripture states::-
Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
# ARE YOU in the flesh OR the Spirit?? 2Tim 1:14 That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us.
# Can we keep this in the flesh?? 1John 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
# Can we know this in the flesh?? 1John 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
# Can we know this in the flesh?? The WORK (ie gift of faith) of the Holy Spirit...
Eph 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints..... |
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| 3/20/12 11:48 AM |
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John UK wrote:
Oh I think I'll stick with Charles Hodge, whoever he is. But thanks anyway. "It is the special office of the Spirit to convince the world of sin; to reveal Christ, to regenerate the soul, to lead men to the exercise of faith and repentance; to dwell in those whom He thus renews, as a principle of a new and divine life. By this indwelling of the Spirit, believers are united to Christ, and to one another, so that they form one body. This is the foundation of the communion of saints, making them one in faith, one in love, one in their inward life, and one in their hopes and final destiny." (from [URL=http://www.apuritansmind.com/the-christian-walk/the-holy-spirit-by-dr-charles-hodge/]]]The Holy Spirit[/URL] By Charles Hodge) John. If Hodge believes the Spirit is going to "lead men to the exercise of faith and repentance...." Then Spirit first - faith after!!! |
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| 3/19/12 6:57 PM |
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John UK wrote:
One thing I ought to mention is that surely the permanent indwelling of the Spirit is intended to replace the physical presence of the Lord Jesus Christ .... "I will come to you." I am entirely happy with this article and its proposal on indwelling OT and NT. The flesh without the Spirit is not of Christ...
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."Therefore it is presented and taught as quite simple either - or! You are in the flesh or in the Spirit. If you are in the Spirit then the Spirit is indwelling. And as for when the Spirit starts this operation in the saved, it is at the beginning from regeneration onwards. And only then can the sinner shed his spiritual Non-discernment to hear and receive the Word of God and convert. What manifested post Pentecost is that with Christ glorified the Holy Spirit came with a greater power and authority because He was 'sent' by Christ glorified, for the purpose of God to build His Church amongst all the nations. Christ's glorification/crucifiction is paramount to the Spirit's new role. Thus does the Holy Spirit indwell the elect from Pentecost onwards. |
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| 3/19/12 5:04 PM |
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John UK wrote:
Little-Faith is no less saved than Great-Faith, and he is equally justified; but No-Faith will certainly perish. Having said that John, faith, a grace, can "lack" or "abound" 1Thes 3:10 Night and day praying exceedingly that we might see your face, and might perfect that which is lacking in your faith? 2Cor 8:7 Therefore, as ye abound in every thing, in faith, and utterance, and knowledge, and in all diligence, and in your love to us, see that ye abound in this grace also. NB also::
2Cor 9:8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work: This being so we can pray and ask for ourselves and others to abound in faith where we might need to do so, in our service of God. Praise God! |
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| 3/19/12 3:59 PM |
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Mike wrote:
1) Is not the gift of faith that enables one to believe the gospel within mortal sinful doubts and weaknesses? 2) If faith is faith and the gift of God, why then do you hold this grace of faith is not only effective, but irresistible? I'm not absolutely clear where your coming from Mike. But here goes.1) I would modify that statement and perhaps I did not make it clear in my post. So...
"Is not the gift of faith that enables one to believe the gospel within [the] mortal [estate of] sinful doubts and weaknesses?"
Therefore sin having dominion and thus influence over our earthly life, decisions etc, then faith competes within us in the hands of the Holy Spirit. Eg: Gal 5:17. NB also 2Cor 4:7, earthen vessels. 2) Faith - a shield Eph 6:16. A substance of hope, evidence of what our natural abilities can't perceive Heb 11:1. A common "empowering" to believe and speak in faith 2Cor 4:13. A confidence builder, thus we walk by faith NOT by sight [as those without faith do] 2Cor 5:7, NB the comparison between the two here. I'm sure you know many more Mike. But what these twofold observations show is the "strength" in faith which is missing from our natural estate. Thus our faith (Spirit) provides divine power to live in Christ. |
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| 3/19/12 12:46 PM |
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John UK wrote:
I don't know Well I guess you don't believe the 1689 after all John.The Bible and Jesus, state that after Pentecost the Holy Spirit will indwell the Christian. Romans 8 confirms and teaches this. The Bible teaches that faith is not a human faculty but is the work of the Holy Spirit in the heart of the elect, thus confirming and necessitating the indwelling of the Spirit. Even in the OT you will find the Spirit indwelling to provide men with powers to serve the purpose of God. The Bible teaches that man is dead in sin, at enmity with God and devoid of spiritual discernment. John 3:6 "born of the Spirit" teaches that as Messiah Jesus, when glorified, sent the Spirit into His followers as an indwelling Spirit thus calling, regenerating and converting. The hypothesis that the Holy Spirit stands outside the sinner to accomplish His task and presumably, from a distance as it were, transforms the flesh (to believe/repent) - but does not indwell - is unBiblical and indeed unnecessary. None of the verses proffered thus far provide this "external influence" idea of the Spirit. Not having the Spirit - ie in the flesh - is NOT to be a Christian as Paul explains in Romans 8:9. |
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