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Choice News TUESDAY, JAN 10, 2017  |  25 comments
Ky. governor signs bills to protect unborn babies

Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin signed bills into law Saturday (Jan. 7) evening that ban late-term abortions and require women seeking abortions to undergo ultrasounds.

Both laws took effect as soon as Bevin's signature was applied. Lawmakers held a rare session on Saturday to give final passage to a series of high-priority bills, including two that would curb abortions.

The late-term abortion law bans the procedures after 20 weeks of pregnancy, except in cases in which the mother's life is in danger. Physicians who violate the measure could have their medical licenses revoked and could be sentenced to up to 5 years in prison. ...


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Dave | Oz  Contact via emailFind all comments by Dave
Survival of the fittest would be better suited for an atheist argument Jim.
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News Item1/11/17 3:28 PM
Rodney K. | Tennessee  Contact via emailFind all comments by Rodney K.
Jim Lincoln wrote:
I would suggest...(President Trump)...

I don't care how RCC interprets it The verse in question only refers to the mother's life.

I don't know what Trump has to do with this article. And personally, I didn't vote for him , and I won't defend him.

As to the Exodus passage, I'll take Matthew Henry's interpretation any day over Rabbi Gordon Shumway's opinion.

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News Item1/11/17 2:41 PM
Kev | San Diego  Contact via emailFind all comments by Kev
Jim notice the capitalized words:

Exodus 21:22-23

22 If men strive, and hurt a woman WITH CHILD, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet NO MISCHIEF FOLLOW: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.

23 And IF ANY MISCHIEF FOLLOW, then thou shalt give LIFE FOR LIFE,

The verse says that the woman is with child, unless you don't think a child is alive but it clears that up as it says life for a life and no part does it talk of the mother dying. The verse is distinguishing between intentional harm to cause death and unintended death. You remember the Bible always distinguishes the two!

Children are children they are called children in the womb as well.

Psalm 127:3

3 Lo, children are an heritage of the Lord: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.

The Pharisees are known for twisting the word of God!

Where do you come up with this stuff Jim read your bible and get off the Internet.

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News Item1/11/17 2:33 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
I would suggest you read the following if you want to know where the future http://tinyurl.com/z244q3e (President Trump) stands-- Mr. Trump's opinion is more important than mine - - He is more liberal on abortion than I am, as this Rabbi is too. The rabbi does interpret the Bible correctly, though.
http://tinyurl.com/j2cejgl (Is abortion in Christianity a mistranslation of Bible?) from which, you guys really didn't read the article?
Rabbi Shunley Boteach wrote:
But the Christian tradition disputing this view goes back to a mistranslation in the Septuagint, the early Greek translation of the Bible that sometimes contains significant errors (see my book Kosher Jesus for a comprehensive list). There, the Hebrew for “no harm follows” was replaced by the Greek for “[her child be born] imperfectly formed.”

This interpretation, distinguishing between an unformed and a formed fetus and branding the killing of the latter as murder, was accepted by Tertullian and by later church fathers and was subsequently embodied as canon law and in Justinian law....

I don't care how RCC interprets it The verse in question only refers to the mother's life.
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News Item1/11/17 1:45 PM
Rodney K. | Tennessee  Contact via emailFind all comments by Rodney K.
Frank wrote:
Thanks brother and I am continuing to pray for your "loved" one! I am doing fine except for the normal aging issues.
Jim is simply a liberal troll with an agenda and when cornered by the truth, he usually ignores it or posts some silly link. In other words, his ignorance is intentional.
But, I think I will add the Exodus verses to my meditation. They are easy to discount, as is his death of the mother mantra, but if they confuse some, then I will note them.
Jim is actually building an abortion doctrine based on some Rabbinical interpretation at the expense of all the other scriptures that pertain to the unborn. Amazing.
I wonder if Jim has considered that the passage is about a "woman with child" - not a "woman with fetus".

Matthew Henry regarding Exodus 21:22-23 - "Observe here,
I. The particular care which the law took of women with child, that no hurt should be done them which might occasion their mis-carrying."

Notice the plural "them" and "their" - refering to both mother and child. So simple.

Thanks for your prayers, Bro.

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News Item1/11/17 12:21 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Rodney K. wrote:
And an excellent meditation it is!
Jim, you should avail yourself of this resource. It references actual Bible verses, rather than links to websites. Most of us here prefer that sort of authentication. We find that God's word is life-giving. (Hmmm... a meditation on the sanctity of life grounded in the Word of Life. Sounds like a good idea to me.)
G'Day dear Bro. Frank. I pray you are doing well!
Thanks brother and I am continuing to pray for your "loved" one! I am doing fine except for the normal aging issues.

Jim is simply a liberal troll with an agenda and when cornered by the truth, he usually ignores it or posts some silly link. In other words, his ignorance is intentional.

But, I think I will add the Exodus verses to my meditation. They are easy to discount, as is his death of the mother mantra, but if they confuse some, then I will note them.

Jim is actually building an abortion doctrine based on some Rabbinical interpretation at the expense of all the other scriptures that pertain to the unborn. Amazing.

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News Item1/11/17 11:56 AM
Rodney K. | Tennessee  Contact via emailFind all comments by Rodney K.
Frank wrote:
Jim from Lincoln....
...I wrote a meditation on abortion. Although I am not a conservative Jew, you might find it helpful.
And an excellent meditation it is!

Jim, you should avail yourself of this resource. It references actual Bible verses, rather than links to websites. Most of us here prefer that sort of authentication. We find that God's word is life-giving. (Hmmm... a meditation on the sanctity of life grounded in the Word of Life. Sounds like a good idea to me.)

G'Day dear Bro. Frank. I pray you are doing well!

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News Item1/11/17 11:26 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Jim from Lincoln.

Let’s look at what the word of God says, not some Rabbi who does not have the Spirit!

Rabbi Shunley Boteach wrote:

Exodus 21:22-23

According to the ancient rabbis, The Bible talks of a woman who is hurt by a man in a fight and miscarries as a result. Monetary restitution is paid for her miscarriage. But if the woman dies, then one must give a life for a life. The passage thus implies that the fetus is not alive, but that the mother is....

The above para is yours

Why not simply say that the word "miscarriage" didn't mean the child was born dead and that the NASB term yasa simply means to come forth. You do realize that God's word will not contradict itself? The normal word used for a miscarriage that led to death was:

nephel: miscarriage, abortion

But, like I have always said, you fool no one on this forum so I wonder why you continue posting? I only respond to you for the occasional reader who stops by.

Eisegesis:-The process of taking a preconceived belief and interpreting a biblical passage in a way that supports that belief. This is a very common phenomenon, although the interpreter is not generally conscious of the process.

Oh, I wrote a meditation on abortion. Although I am not a conservative Jew, you might find it helpful.

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News Item1/11/17 10:35 AM
pennelope  Find all comments by pennelope
Jim, on this thread you already compared stopping abortion to prohibition.

the biblical mandate "do not kill", you seem to have outright rejected.

the rabbis cannot make you righteous, but I find it very telling that the only times I see you use NT scriptures is through someone else's words or with a strange interpretation.

.....as if you have a mediator of some sort to Jesus Christ.

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News Item1/11/17 9:48 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
I would suggest you read the following if you want to know where the future http://tinyurl.com/z244q3e (President Trump) stands-- Mr. Trump's opinion is more important than mine - - He is more liberal on abortion than I am, as this Rabbi is too. The rabbi does interpret the Bible correctly, though.
Rabbi Shunley Boteach wrote:
The Hebrew Bible makes only one reference to abortion, and this is by implication. Exodus 21:22-23 states: “And if two men strive together and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart, and yet no harm follows, he shall be surely fined, accordingly as the woman’s husband shall lay upon him, and he shall pay as the judges determine. But if any harm follows, though shalt give life for life....”

According to the ancient rabbis, the text is to be read simply as written. The Bible talks of a woman who is hurt by a man in a fight and miscarries as a result. Monetary restitution is paid for her miscarriage. But if the woman dies, then one must give a life for a life. The passage thus implies that the fetus is not alive, but that the mother is....

http://tinyurl.com/j2cejgl (Is abortion in Christianity a mistranslation of Bible?)
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News Item1/11/17 9:24 AM
pennelope  Find all comments by pennelope
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Well, I think I pointed out the Jewish view of abortion,
....what should matter to the Christian is what is in Torah and New Testament, not the Talmud, the teachings of men that blaspheme Jesus Christ.

God's Word has not changed on this matter.

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News Item1/11/17 2:12 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Well, I think I pointed out the Jewish view of abortion, http://tinyurl.com/zqy2shp (Abortion in Jewish Law) In effect if the fetus is going to commit manslaughter of the mother, it can be terminated. More Biblical view than the Catholic view that many here adhere to.

Secondly, Benny XVI attempts to put limbo into limbo and What is the Destiny of Babies Who Die? If your Reformed or IFB the official view is that all babies go to heaven, there's no limbo etc. Better minds than I have thought that out.

So, thirdly if that's true then it is more important to worry about mothers who seek abortions and people who do them, they are responsible before God. You should thus wish that these people don't commit this sin, since they are held responsible by God.

So, the fourth point instead of thinking laws can fix morality (you'all still haven't read http://tinyurl.com/hwy283u (The Deadly Dangers of Moralism))? Have a higher priority of http://tinyurl.com/yju7mpb (Universal health care tends to cut the abortion rate) before your shari'a law.

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News Item1/10/17 10:36 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
put your thinking cap on wrote:
So it would be okay if someone murder your best friend, because laws against killing are morality by legislation. It be okay if your car was stolen, because laws against stealing are morality by legislation. It would okay if they burned down your church, because laws against arson are morality by legislation. It would be okay sexually assaulted your neighbor, because laws against such crimes are morality by legislation. It would okay if they came in your house to make illegal drug deals, because laws against trespassing and illegal drugs are morality by legislation. It would be okay if they blew up your sibling's house, because laws against this crime would be morality by legislation. The list could go on and on. Laws are not amoral for the most part.
Your statement is what is ludicrous.
Your comment and logic are outstanding. But, let me tell you what our liberal troll is going to do. He will get a blank look in his eyes, shake his head a couple of times, and then simply march on.

His irrational comments will simply continue.

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News Item1/10/17 8:45 PM
put your thinking cap on  Find all comments by put your thinking cap on
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Morality by legislation is- s*t*u*p*i*d
So it would be okay if someone murder your best friend, because laws against killing are morality by legislation. It be okay if your car was stolen, because laws against stealing are morality by legislation. It would okay if they burned down your church, because laws against arson are morality by legislation. It would be okay sexually assaulted your neighbor, because laws against such crimes are morality by legislation. It would okay if they came in your house to make illegal drug deals, because laws against trespassing and illegal drugs are morality by legislation. It would be okay if they blew up your sibling's house, because laws against this crime would be morality by legislation. The list could go on and on. Laws are not amoral for the most part.
Your statement is what is ludicrous.
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News Item1/10/17 8:42 PM
ladybug  Find all comments by ladybug
This story is very touching - http://www.ksdk.com/life/lafayette-obgyn-learned-her-baby-would-die-but-chose-to-treasure-the-pregnancy/384796885

Heartless liberals like troll Lincoln would have aborted that baby from the start. May God deal with America which is covered in the blood of innocent babies.

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News Item1/10/17 7:03 PM
Dave | Oz  Contact via emailFind all comments by Dave
G'day Allie, yes it is sad, brings me to tears.
God bless
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News Item1/10/17 7:02 PM
Kev | San Diego  Contact via emailFind all comments by Kev
Mike wrote:
Sorry Jim, the 10 Commandments are legislation by the Lawgiver. There are severe results for breaking those laws to those who are not covered by the blood of Jesus Christ. I would say they work quite effectively for their purpose.
Good comment Mike!

The Bible is clear what authority is suppose to do, they are the ministers of what is right:

Romsns13

3 For rulers are NOT A TERROR TO GOOD WORKS, BUT TO THE EVIL. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

4 For he is the minister of God TO THEE FOR GOOD. But if thou do that which IS EVIL, BE AFRAID; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the MINISTER OF GOD, a revenger to EXECUTE WRATH UPON him that DOETH EVILl.

5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, ATTENDING continually upon THIS VERY THING.

So we see our government is actually broken because it is not protecting children and a terror of evil! There should be laws against evil deeds or our government is against the will of God.

Jim your stance is not a biblical stance at all. Are you a Christian first or a democrat?

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News Item1/10/17 6:41 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
No, Penny, Prohibition on abortion won't work much better than any better than prohibition on manufacturer saleing of alchohol did Morality by legislation is- s*t*u*p*i*d
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Sorry Jim, the 10 Commandments are legislation by the Lawgiver. There are severe results for breaking those laws to those who are not covered by the blood of Jesus Christ. I would say they work quite effectively for their purpose.
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News Item1/10/17 5:52 PM
Ignominious Emirakan | WallLawCall  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
pennelope wrote:
glad to see a governor use his pen to save some.
hopefully .... will be ended soon.
glad to see a governor use his pen to save some.
hopefully lynching will be ended soon.
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hopefully slavery will be ended soon.
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glad to see a governor use his pen to save some.
hopefully beastiality will be ended soon.
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hopefully polygamy &incest will be ended soon.
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hopefully theft will be ended soon.
--/
hopefully kidnapping will be ended soon.
--/
hopefully drive by shootings will be ended soon.
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glad to see a governor use his pen to save some.
hopefully any felony will be ended soon.
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Unless we despair of all laws with a silly idea that laws do not work.
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we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust. 1Tim1
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News Item1/10/17 2:59 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
No, Penny, Prohibition on abortion won't work much better than any better than prohibition on manufacturer saleing of alchohol did Morality by legislation is- s*t*u*p*i*d Just a really minor detail, this isn't the Christian way of solving problems but then Islamic Christians don't worry that much

Oh, by the way, I was looking around about this smirky politician from Kentucky who are a lot of smirky politician who does this (Probably an equally smirky Planned Parenthood takes them to court about it) Now many states will help pregnant women, http://tinyurl.com/hkbs8zy (How to Get Financial Help During Pregnancy) and Kentucky in particular, http://tinyurl.com/h3xzmlm (Kentucky Benefits Gov.). Guess what a lot of benefits are only available to those people who can afford only a cardboard box for shelter

Now Catholics generally have a fairly good program for unwed mothers, but if a woman wants Christian help? hmm, at best--Birthright International--Philosophy or something like, Lincoln Crisis Pregnancy Center

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