SteveR wrote: The wicked and charlatans will try to smear Graham, but indeed there is a need for Christians to stop the compromise of our Faith
Did you mean praise Graham? If one only listened to Billy Graham sermons on t.v., and if you were at one of his meeting and didn't go forward and talk to for example of being guided to the Romish Church if you had been associated with it, actually Billy did some good. It was his interviews and activities outside the t.v. pulpit which brings rightful condemnation of Billy. When Franklin was in the background, he wasn't doing that much damage either, I believe Samaritan's Purse was his invention, I think SA has a separate thread for this, http://www.samaritanspurse.org/article/samaritans-purse-doctor-serving-in-liberia-west-africa-tests-positive-for-ebola/ so, the Grahams' are a mixed bag, but mixing error with the Gospel corrupts the message entirely.
Jessica, it is not the murderers that are trying to influence common core curriculum to try and make killing an acceptable alternate lifestyle. It is not the drunkards that trying to close businesses for not supporting their drinking habits. It not the thieves that are calling people who speak against stealing thiefophobic. It is not the slanderers that are calling truth hate speech. We don't have a fornicators pride week or pro pornography parades. It is not the "people for covetousness" being supported by executive fiat from the current administration. It is not the extortioners that are pushing to silence the voice of Christians and have street preachers arrested for talking negatively of their sins.
However, all of that can be said of the LGBT community. They are currently one of the choicest of Satan's emissaries to persecute Christianity and to push us to a lawless society.
All sin needs to be preached against and abhorred. Thanks for that reminder.
As to speaking against certain sins more than others in the early church, there is much in the N.T. writings against Judiazers. Should Paul not have put an inordinate amount of writing against it because there were other sins prevalent in his day?
... to add.. this nanny state business is another spoke on the wheel. men will tend to be protectors of their own, so we have people trained to shut men up when they are impassioned to protect their own.
and in this case, we are dealing with reprobates that change bathroom codes that endanger children, and will often simultaneously be working to reduce jail sentences for child related crimes! I would expect God to raise up men of the faith that have an inner calling to stand in the gap for the innocent. That is why we have pastors and fathers and leaders!
I have prayed for the Lord to keep witnesses to Christ in the midst of a compromising generation. I'm sure others are as well!
Jessica Dawson, you might notice that westboro is a political plant meant to divide, they are not the expression of Christian thought.
I agree that we shouldn't be one issue people but in actuality a few leaders are naming a political movement that is taking over the country. I believe it to be communism. And the gay agenda is used to divide the people and to demoralize the people so that the next generation can be ruled. Anyone who speaks will be ridiculed, and that's what persecution looks like. Those who love Christ will be accused of all sorts of things, because they "won't go with the program".
Jesus Christ dealt directly with the religious leaders of the day and their own form of moralism, he threw over the tables at the temple for instance, seeing as people were making money from it... so much of sin seems to get down to money and power.
If you read Wumbrand, he also dealt headlong with Communism as a philosophy, because it was used to keep the youth under check..'we do not recognize this 'God', the state has told us nothing of him, therefor he doesn't exist'. many accused him of being anticommunist, even when he was beaten for years by these people, but prayed continually for their salvation.
TC wrote: It's not a matter of elevating one sin above another or accepting one while denouncing another. The fact is that the homosexual movement is the sledgehammer that secularists are using to strip religious freedom. The church is obligated to stand and defend the truth of God's Word.
Outspoken high-profile persons and Churches have been known to focus on homosexuality above other sins and unfortunately many associate the every day believer with such aggressive tactics as the Westboro Baptist Church ‚ÄĒ which has been a blight upon the testimony of Jesus Christ, Who showed love to sinners, dying for sinners.
At the time the New Testament was written, same sex interactions were prevalent. Yet the New Testament is not filled with railings against homosexuality ‚ÄĒ but against all manner of sexual immorality and sin in lists. And, believers are acknowledged as being cleansed of these same sins. " Let all that you do be done in love." Amen.
Sadly, penned, Christians haven't had a problem with the hetero perverts and "educated" atheists doing it (raising their children). Graham coming against homosexuality or abortion is like...oh yeah, catholics doing it. We reward and support someone for saying one thing right while they aid in watering down Christianity. As "Olde" stated, just an attempt to stir up the insiders and try to redeem the graham legacy.
I don't see Christians focusing that much on it.... in fact, most haven't a clue what's coming. lawyers who work for large church groups are awfully quiet right now....what I see is the gay lobby, backed by very powerful groups, changing the times and laws of the land, with their eyes on the institutional church, the educating of the youth, etc. they are demanding allegiance in the marketplace.
I guess Christians are supposed sit back and let Sodom and Gomorrah raise their children?
I'm tired of Christians focusing so heavily on the homosexuality of persons outside the church ~ is this the mandate from Christ to preach? Or is it not to 'proclaim Christ and Him crucified'?
It's not a matter of elevating one sin above another or accepting one while denouncing another. The fact is that the homosexual movement is the sledgehammer that secularists are using to strip religious freedom. The church is obligated to stand and defend the truth of God's Word.
Olde Foderal ..an interesting name, very insightful and succinct response. And Jim Lincoln, always appreciate your input. It's always useful to have links or resources to which one may find information.
Good point about Ralph Ovadal's Heart of the Matter program covering Franklin Graham's activities.
I don't think this will get much press; I see the news comes from the Christian Post website, not exactly one of the most popular ones in the world.
So think of it as meant for 'internal consumption' only, that is, for Christians only to talk over (no one else cares).
Since the father's influence has faded, FG has to say something to 'fan the flames' and get some attention. Maybe he hopes someone from a TV network will give him an interview--how about the comic Stewart? or PBS's Bill Moyers, formerly LBJ's press secretary, or ABC's George Stephanopolus, formerly Clinton's press secretary. Now, as to the 'truth' of what he says, I don't think it will change anyone's way of life. Usually, 'culture wars' means voting for conservatives, which are hard to find today. It happened in Virginia last month but didn't happen in Mississippi. Go figure.
***footnote, concerning my previous post. Pastor Ovadal does not have the Graham's on his program. I should have said he addresses issues concerning the Graham's that are problematic. After rereading my post, I thought I should clarify that.