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FRONT PAGE  |  7/23/2016
WEDNESDAY, APR 30, 2014  |  21 comments
Can Bad Husbands Really Be Good Pastors?

That statement is a sobering one for me. It’s one that all pastors and church leaders need to hear.

There’s a real temptation in ministry (at least for me), to spend my time ministering to those outside my home to the detriment of ministering to those inside my home. If we allow our congregations’ needs to dictate our schedules, neglecting our responsibilities at home can be sinfully justified.

Remember, in order to be qualified to pastor God's people, a pastor “must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God’s church?" (1 Tim. 3:4-5, ESV). ...


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News Item5/16/15 2:44 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
There were a series of sermons from IHCC that I have been adding informal and --unofficial-- summaries/briefs to, and one of the latest ones, which I would NOT apply to the pastor in this SA thread, but to those who do what should be the unthinkable, and commit adultery. Dr. Rugh really, really blasts them in the sermon, Wise Men Live Out God's Wisdom.

Pastors, like men in several other professions can get into trouble, more easily than others. So, it's good advice that the pastor in the thread to be thinking about strong marriages. The sermon should be a warning to any man who gets lax in not keeping the marriage bonds strong--and his attention at home.

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News Item5/13/15 3:15 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
vir·tu·ous
?v?rCH?w?s/
adjective
adjective: virtuous
having or showing high moral standards
so no women can have high moral standards? And if there can be no virtuous women, why does Proverbs 31 describe one?
Just curios
Excellent point UPS, The Virtuous Wife and Mother.

Yes, Mike of N.Y., I would say if a pastor isn't also a good husband and father -- he should be kicked out of the pastorship permanently. Even if he reforms he will leave a bad taste in the membership's mouth.

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News Item4/17/15 11:43 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Bill wrote:
Maybe I misunderstand you but since when is leading a family not the Lord's work? Pastor or not. A man is called to his family first, his work second. If a man loses his family he might as well step out of the ministry. No one will listen to him anyway.
An excellent point, Bill. the only relationship that takes priority over the husband&wife + children is our personal relationship with God Again see, Husbands and Wives As Parents and Accountability as Teachers and even a few earlier sermons.
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News Item4/16/15 11:25 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Good. Chris. a couple of sermons one directly connected here, and the one that was before it can easily be found from its URL. This is a new sermon that was preached about 3 years ago . It just got put up today. it's quite good about explaining the responsibilities of teachers/preachers.

Accountability As Teachers.

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News Item5/1/14 7:57 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
SteveR wrote:
Not that I am always on topic, but on the RC bashing we do, nobody thinks that there aren't people within RC that love Jesus or that they are less beloved of our Lord. But all that seek Him find their way out of Rome, as they would out of Hinduism.

coupling this comment along with one in another thread about you councilling JY to come out of the church, that's all it's ever about...exposing the false doctrines and trying to get across to him the importance of attending a church that teaches, preaches, and trys to live by the bible alone. I know he does, but he surrounds himself with a lot of other pollution that must get entangled with truth at times. I know there are some who say things they shouldn't, speak poorly, and should just keep silent, but others do nothing but speak out about the false doctrines that enslave so many. There are people on this forum who care, minus those who rail against him for certain reasons. I think he's a special case and is worth the ongoing effort, although, I know I don't have a whole lot of company.

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News Item5/1/14 1:23 AM
GSTexas  Find all comments by GSTexas
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News Item5/1/14 12:49 AM
SF from TX  Find all comments by SF from TX
Get Real, Ruth is an example to go along with the Proverbs 31 woman (as Unprofitable Servant pointed out) of a virtuous woman. It appears you are writing your own version of Romans 3:10

Ruth 3:11 And now, my daughter, fear not; I will do to thee all that thou requirest: for all the city of my people doth know that thou art a VIRTUOUS WOMAN

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News Item4/30/14 5:28 PM
Strat  Find all comments by Strat
Can a man be a good pastor if he has a wife who works against him and children that refuse to obey and respect him ? or are we to believe in the magic formula that some think exist,once again the assumption is made that in this modern society men have total control over their lives and everyone in them,or they could have if they pushed all the right buttons and used all the right formulas

By today's standards probably two in ten pastors are qualified to be pastors......I mean everyone instantly submits to and clears a path for a Godly man....right.

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News Item4/30/14 4:10 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Triply wrote:
Every time the phone rings or a text comes in, whatever the pastor was doing with his wife or children is immediately put on ice. How can you compete with the Lord's work? Can a good pastor be a good husband?
Being a good husband is also the Lord's work, and I would suggest necessary, in order that a married pastor might be a good one.
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News Item4/30/14 3:21 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
get real wrote:
dear lady parts,
no one is virtuous ... no one ...
still tempting men with impure thoughts i see ...
they still beat john up every morning on the playground... they are the "holier than thou" crowd ... they think they do God a service ...
vir·tu·ous
?v?rCH?w?s/
adjective
adjective: virtuous

having or showing high moral standards

so no women can have high moral standards? And if there can be no virtuous women, why does Proverbs 31 describe one?

Just curios

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News Item4/30/14 3:01 PM
get real | earth  Find all comments by get real
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News Item4/30/14 1:03 PM
Lady_Virtue | OKC  Contact via emailFind all comments by Lady_Virtue
Based on the required qualifications for elders stated in I Timothy 3, the answer is no. The question posed by this headline was answered by the Scriptures thousands of years ago. The fact that someone would ask this brings "Have ye not read?" to mind.
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News Item4/30/14 10:02 AM
Jules  Find all comments by Jules
And the rest of you :-)
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News Item4/30/14 10:02 AM
Jules  Find all comments by Jules
I definitely agree with Bro James! Noo way
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News Item4/30/14 9:30 AM
Bro James | Tx  Find all comments by Bro James
The short answer : NO !!
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News Item4/30/14 8:40 AM
CV  Find all comments by CV
SteveR wrote:
Not that I am always on topic, but on the RC bashing we do, nobody thinks that there aren't people within RC that love Jesus or that they are less beloved of our Lord. But all that seek Him find their way out of Rome, as they would out of Hinduism.

These are loved by my Lord. The difference between you and most of us here is that we recognise Rome for the phoney monster that it is. And you present a ready defence for that Harlot.

In all our duels, it's Rome that I despise, not the Roman Catholics that Jesus came for and is coming again for.

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News Item4/30/14 8:03 AM
SteveR | Mt Zion  Find all comments by SteveR
Christopher000 wrote:
I'd say no because the husband is to mirror Christ within the home and without. If a husband doesn't have his own house in order, he has no capacity to lead the children of God.
Agree
By definition a bad husband can not be a good pastor

Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

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News Item4/30/14 6:59 AM
Triply  Find all comments by Triply
Every time the phone rings or a text comes in, whatever the pastor was doing with his wife or children is immediately put on ice. How can you compete with the Lord's work? Can a good pastor be a good husband?
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News Item4/30/14 6:54 AM
CV  Find all comments by CV
Ah Jim, we need to pray for our pastors. Pray for their families.

And no, I am not a pastor, son of a pastor, or play one on TV.
My concern is that the attack on the pastor and his family is of particular significance to the evil one.

Oh, and Charisma, the Pentacostal mag, citing biblical qualifications for a pastor, yet boasts the largest number of women pastors.

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News Item4/30/14 6:46 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I'd say no because the husband is to mirror Christ within the home and without. If a husband doesn't have his own house in order, he has no capacity to lead the children of God.
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