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MONDAY, MAR 24, 2014  |  173 comments  |  1 commentary
It's time we get back to observing the Sabbath

Would we be better off for observing Sabbath?

The Sabbath and its observance are deeply rooted in Judeo-Christian belief. Many of us were raised with the belief that the Sabbath is based on the 10 Commandments and that those still apply to mankind. After all, didn't we also believe in the concept of not murdering (sixth commandment), not stealing (eighth commandment) and not lying (ninth commandment), which are also part of the 10 Commandments?

There are more commandments but these are good illustrations. In many churches, the commandments seem to provide the moral code for adherents to follow.

The fourth commandment deals with the Sabbath. It's very explicit: "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, ...


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Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
I certainly believe that both the Old and New testaments are inspired Scripture that are profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction and instruction in righteousness. But really B. L. there was no New Testament at the time our Lord said those quotes (not saying He would say or meant anything different) but you can't use those references in talking about the NT it didn't exist and MG, He was a Jewish person in the Old Testament economy, of course He observed the Sabbath, and told people to offer sacrifices and worshipped in the Temple. There certainly is a difference between the OT and the NT (see Hebrews 8)
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News Item3/30/14 6:40 PM
penned  Find all comments by penned
Shane wrote:
Instead of buying into the difference between the Ot and NT, look at the marriage between them. Instead of buying into the difference between Israel and the church, look at the marriage between them. And most importantly understand that our Lord never broke the Sabbath, although the leaders tried to say he did. As our Lord said " it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath" .
amen! and I would add that in not dividing Israel and the church, the continuing of the gospel, we can look to the historical church. I believe the early church set the precedent for first day gatherings and fulfillment of the Sabbath rest as in Hebrews, today, find your rest, today find your salvation. if anyone has information on the early church I'm all ears!
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News Item3/30/14 6:34 PM
Liza Jane  Find all comments by Liza Jane
John UK wrote:
RK,
Yes indeed. I see nothing wrong with Bible helps. Many Bibles have useful maps in the back, and some like the Thompson Chain Reference are a good resource. I always found John Ryle to be helpful because he saved you time, giving alternative interpretations of others before introducing his own.
Thompson Chain Reference Bible and J.C. Ryle..two of my favorites
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News Item3/30/14 6:26 PM
Shane | socal  Contact via emailFind all comments by Shane
Jim... Instead of buying into the difference between the Ot and NT, look at the marriage between them. Instead of buying into the difference between Israel and the church, look at the marriage between them. And most importantly understand that our Lord never broke the Sabbath, although the leaders tried to say he did. As our Lord said " it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath" .
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News Item3/30/14 6:17 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
R. K. Borill wrote:
John UK,
No problem. I don't consider myself a scholar either, but all that you mention (with the exception of Wesley of course) make for excellent supplemental reading, I have a set of Spurgeon's Tabernacles, Calvin's commentaries, Matthew Henry. I am also a big fan of Gordon Clark, and John Robbins. They have an excellent website (The Trinity Foundation) with free literature. A lot of good stuff there.
RK,
Yes indeed. I see nothing wrong with Bible helps. Many Bibles have useful maps in the back, and some like the Thompson Chain Reference are a good resource. I always found John Ryle to be helpful because he saved you time, giving alternative interpretations of others before introducing his own.
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News Item3/30/14 6:02 PM
B L Winston  Find all comments by B L Winston
Jim Lincoln wrote:
One does worry about people who don't realize there is a difference between the Old and New Testament
On the OT Christ stated
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Christ also taught
Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Apparently Jim, the Lord thought more of the OT than some today do.
The NT did not supersede the OT.
What happened is that Christ fulfilled all the prophecies and promises in the OT. But He did not annul the OT.
So don't reject the OT it is God's Holy Word. And beware of discarding its teachings and its place in God's purpose.

The NT contains quotations, references, allusions and paraphrases of the OT. Sometimes the NT follows the Hebrew text; at other times it more closely follows the translation into Greek of the Old Testament called the Septuagint. Thus obviously the Apostles and NT writers learned from the OT and used it to support their work.

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R. K. Borill | Baton Rouge, Louisiana  Protected NameFind all comments by R. K. Borill
John UK,

You are right to hold the scriptures above the works of uninspired men. Nevertheless, we can still learn from the writings of our brothers in Christ, even those who have gone on before us. These held the Bible in high esteem as well. You can easily tell from their writings. Also, we can learn from their mistakes to avoid their pitfalls along the way.

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News Item3/30/14 4:57 PM
R. K. Borill | Baton Rouge, Louisiana  Protected NameFind all comments by R. K. Borill
John UK,

No problem. I don't consider myself a scholar either, but all that you mention (with the exception of Wesley of course) make for excellent supplemental reading, I have a set of Spurgeon's Tabernacles, Calvin's commentaries, Matthew Henry. I am also a big fan of Gordon Clark, and John Robbins. They have an excellent website (The Trinity Foundation) with free literature. A lot of good stuff there.

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News Item3/30/14 4:54 PM
night night  Find all comments by night night
Mike wrote:
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Mike its way past your bedtime.
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News Item3/30/14 4:31 PM
MG | the Land Down Under  Find all comments by MG
I don't recall Christ ever breaking His Father's Sabbath!? If so, He wasn't suitable to become our once and for all sacrifice!
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News Item3/30/14 4:15 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
One does worry about people who don't realize there is a difference between the Old and New Testament, or to put it another way, Israel and the Church: the Differences. In any event Sunday is not the sabbath, and for that matter apparently Christ broke the sabbath on more than one occasion himself, Legalism is Shadow, Christ is Substance.

Some of you should study some of the history of Reconstructionism q.v., Notes on Reconstructionism--Roots of a New "Christian" Inquisition?, and Mr. Rushdoony. There are also some good links in this article besides.

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News Item3/30/14 3:34 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
R. K. Borill wrote:
John UK writes,
So RK, you think that I regard or treat with haughty contempt THE BIBLE; that I despise THE BIBLE; that I consider or reject as beneath me THE BIBLE?
RK responds,
Now why do you do that, You know fully that I was referring to the word "scholar", and not the word "The Bible". Weren't you criticizing scholarly study. So when I said you disdain the word scholar, that's what I meant.
RK,
My apologies for misreading. When you said, "Not to worry, you'll not hear me insult you by calling you scholars seeing you disdain the word", I thought you meant the word of God, not the word 'scholar'. I can see now that I was in error. Thank you.

However, I do believe there is a place in the Christian church for scholars. There was a Baptist minister called John Gill who was very much a scholar, whose commentary is available here on SA, along with Calvin, Wesley, and one or two others.

Me, I am not a scholar but a converted idiot, now a saint. I know very little, but am always reading scripture. In the past I used to read the works of men, whether they be the puritans, or the likes of John Ryle, John Bunyan, Spurgeon, Gill etc.

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News Item3/30/14 2:53 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
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News Item3/30/14 2:45 PM
Presby  Find all comments by Presby
R. K. Borill wrote:
John UK writes,
Sure, you have an unthinking, unfeeling, unloving sect-like brand of religion within christendom, which you yourself are happy with, but which I would not be interested in.
RK Borill responds,
Wow! I'm feeling the love here.
Its so wonderful to see brothers IN Christ getting on together like this. RK and John you must be learning so much about Scripture from each other. Your hearts must be so full. Keep up the good work. God be with you both.

Proverbs 27:17 Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.

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News Item3/30/14 2:34 PM
R. K. Borill | Baton Rouge, Louisiana  Protected NameFind all comments by R. K. Borill
I guess you told me. Huh?
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R. K. Borill | Baton Rouge, Louisiana  Protected NameFind all comments by R. K. Borill
John UK writes,
Sure, you have an unthinking, unfeeling, unloving sect-like brand of religion within christendom, which you yourself are happy with, but which I would not be interested in.

RK Borill responds,

Wow! I'm feeling the love here.

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News Item3/30/14 2:27 PM
R. K. Borill | Baton Rouge, Louisiana  Protected NameFind all comments by R. K. Borill
John UK writes,

So RK, you think that I regard or treat with haughty contempt THE BIBLE; that I despise THE BIBLE; that I consider or reject as beneath me THE BIBLE?

RK responds,

Now why do you do that, You know fully that I was referring to the word "scholar", and not the word "The Bible". Weren't you criticizing scholarly study. So when I said you disdain the word scholar, that's what I meant.

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News Item3/30/14 10:10 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
R. K. Borill wrote:
Also,
Not to worry, you'll not hear me insult you by calling you scholars seeing you disdain the word.
disdain
1. To regard or treat with haughty contempt; despise. See Synonyms at despise.
2. To consider or reject as beneath oneself.

So RK, you think that I regard or treat with haughty contempt THE BIBLE; that I despise THE BIBLE; that I consider or reject as beneath me THE BIBLE?

But you are quite content for the WCF to make use of faulty prooftexting to define your false doctrines!

And you are quite content for your fellow Presbies to continually quote men INSTEAD of THE BIBLE, thinking that their false doctrines are mighty fine.

And you are quite content for your brand of Protestantism to have your very own Protestant Pope, to whose writings you bow down to and accept without so much as checking them out.

Sure, you have an unthinking, unfeeling, unloving sect-like brand of religion within christendom, which you yourself are happy with, but which I would not be interested in.

But that's fine, you do whatever you feel is right.

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News Item3/30/14 10:02 AM
Humor  Find all comments by Humor
R. K. Borill wrote:
John and Humorless,
It seems "silly" to assume that one can only be diligent without study. Otherwise, how will he "rightly divide the word"?
2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

It does not say study to rightly divide the word. Read it careful minister Bear-ill will. It says be diligent to shew thyself approved unto God and then he goes on to say how viz hard work (not a lazy minister! Ahem), giving the correct interpretation. Something that you consistently fail to do! In the verse there are some lessons you would do well to learn.

Strange that a 'minister' should have so much time to spend on this forum. Obviously not busy enough. There were the apostles given to prayer and the word for a pattern for those involved in ministry and here we have an example of one who can barely give a correct interpretation and who is always on here to display his disdain for other posters he considers beneath himself.

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Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
R. K. Borill wrote:
Thanks Mike. I appreciate the comment. I suppose to launch these types of attacks is to be expected from those who have no other argument. If it's desperation, perhaps it may be the last struggle before they surrender to the truth. I've been there, and it's quite humbling when The Lord reveals how foolish it is to kick against the truth.
RK B
Thanks for replying.
I really like the last part, 'it's quite humbling when The Lord reveals how foolish it is to kick against the truth.'

Since a large part of my heart is in evanglism and intercession for the lost, the health of the Church for that matter too. This will be a wonderful thing to include in my praying (I have so much to learn and grow into)

Thanks, I trust God will honor this comment way beyond anything either one of us can imagine, to His glory and our exceeding joy.

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