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SATURDAY, FEB 15, 2014  |  97 comments
Why Do Some Christian Pastors’ Kids Abandon the Faith?
Dale Hudson, a children’s ministry expert, recently explored this very subject in a Charisma op-ed, explaining his own experience as a P.K. (the acronym for “pastor’s kid”) and detailing the challenges and experiences these individuals generally face.

Citing statistics from the Barna Group, a faith-based research firm, Hudson dove into statistics that show some pastors’ kids inevitably do leave the faith.

In fact, according to the Barna research, 33 percent of pastors report that their children are no longer active in church. That said, only seven percent said that their kids had left the Christian faith entirely.

Pastors also shared the reasons they believe P.K.’s shy away from the faith, citing unrealistic expectations (28 percent), exposure to negative aspects of church (18 percent) — and a lack of faith modeled in the home (14 percent), among others. ...


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News Item2/19/14 1:37 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
He is risen wrote:
Pnnned wrote:
the promises and responsibilities that come with the New Covenant are not for Christians apparently?
Huh?
I'm sure what Samuel is saying is that fact that anytime the bible refers to the "elect" it's usually referring to isreal or the Jews and not about elect as in salvation like the unconditional election used by Calvin's theology. It completely throws unconditional election right out the window, I beleive.
So what of all the Jews who went to their graves rejecting Jesus these past two thousand years? Historically, literally, God chose them in Abraham way back when and you're telling us Jesus lost them contrary to His Father's will?

John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

Do the Jews get a free pass on the last day being elect and all?

Or is it possible that the OT must be interpreted in the light of the NT and all these Jesus rejecting Jews were/are not really Jews at all in God's sight?

Do you people even bother to check your beliefs against scripture and the common sense test? Or do you believe something just because you hate something else like unconditional election?

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News Item2/18/14 9:50 PM
He is risen  Find all comments by He is risen
Pnnned wrote:

the promises and responsibilities that come with the New Covenant are not for Christians apparently?

Huh?

I'm sure what Samuel is saying is that fact that anytime the bible refers to the "elect" it's usually referring to isreal or the Jews and not about elect as in salvation like the unconditional election used by Calvin's theology. It completely throws unconditional election right out the window, I beleive.

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News Item2/18/14 10:12 AM
pnnned  Find all comments by pnnned
so the new covenant teaching is

-you are a chosen generation

-a royal priesthood

and instead of walking in the light of this great purpose, in loving God and neighbor,

a gnostic named Samuel is here to tell us that the bible doesn't apply to Christians.

I say gnostic because he has some hidden higher knowledge that can only come from his teachers that tells us if we can trust in a bible verse or not, depending on our race. and so we must mediate through Samuel's teachers, not able to just open Paul's letters and read them as a believer, entering into the same experience as our Jew and Gentile brethren of first century.

the promises and responsibilities that come with the New Covenant are not for Christians apparently?

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News Item2/18/14 10:00 AM
All 5 points  Find all comments by All 5 points
@Samuel I'm not sure I am familiar enough with what you post to understand what you are saying. For my clarification? Could you comment on this passage in Luke 21:23-25 23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

I understand it to mean that after the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD under Titus there would be a time of Gentile preeminence in the Church, the 'the times of the Gentiles being fulfilled' in that respect the Jews in greater number will be shown the same mercy Romans 11 and the Church will be One in a greater sense as Paul addresses in Ephesians. The Jews more knowledgeable of the moral law for government will have a greater eminency but unlike the Gentiles will not be over lords, rather Matt. 23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. 11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

A unity heretofore unknown

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News Item2/18/14 5:22 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Samuel wrote:
John Uk Wote:
2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 KJV
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Brother that's a reference to the Jews, reason why is Paul mentions God hath chosen you from the beginning. Like I said the Promise has always been for the Jew first then the Gentile.

Thank you Samuel. Yes, I can see where you're coming from on that. I'm trying to grasp your theology, and find it difficult. You say that God chose the Jews (Israel) to be saved and chose the rest to be damned? A bit like Calvinism OT-style?

My own personal testimony is that while yet a sinner, I experienced the Spirit sanctifying me, and then I believed the truth (of the gospel). So, for me, I apply the text to myself and say that I am beloved of the Lord, and that he has chosen me unto salvation. All that I read in scripture confirms this to me, about the new birth, being sealed and indwelt by the Spirit, becoming a new creature in Christ Jesus, having a new song in my heart, rejoicing with joy unspeakable and full of glory. Not empty head-knowledge.

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News Item2/18/14 5:20 AM
Duh  Find all comments by Duh
CAB wrote:
FYI, Calvinists on this forum hate me bitterly, slander and revile me because I demolish the Calvinist TULIP easily. I'm a Bible Christian, no heretic at all.
I am NOT John UK!

But, you are an inveterate liar!

Samuel wrote:
Ups wrote:
1 thess 1:4
Knowing,[brethren] "saved" beloved [election] "Jews" of God. Saved Jews who came to the knowledge of the truth there with saved Gentiles.
1 peter 1:9
But ye are a [chosen] "Jews" generation, [ a holy nation] "Isreal" that ye should show forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into marvelous light. "Saved Jews"...
NONE So blind as them that won't see!
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News Item2/17/14 10:30 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Nothing in the context of any of those verses suggest the interpretation you suggest. Look at verse 10 of the verse in I Petrr and tell me Peter was talking about the Jews Verse 7 says he is talking to those who believe, I am saddened you would not include yourself as one. You will not find a single verse ANYWHERE in Revelstion that speaks of chosen angels. Turned from idols to God would not refer to Jews. Instead of making your views match Scripture you are twisting Scripture to match your views.
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News Item2/17/14 10:22 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Samuel wrote:
1 peter 1:9
But ye are a [chosen] "Jews" generation, [ a holy nation] "Isreal" that ye should show forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into marvelous light. "Saved Jews"
It's easy to add your definitions to fit your theology but it proves nothing.

1Pe 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

When, pray tell, was Israel and the tribe of Judah "not a people of God"?

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News Item2/17/14 10:02 PM
Samuel  Find all comments by Samuel
Ups wrote:
1 thess 1:4
Knowing,[brethren] "saved" beloved [election] "Jews" of God. Saved Jews who came to the knowledge of the truth there with saved Gentiles.

1 peter 1:9
But ye are a [chosen] "Jews" generation, [ a holy nation] "Isreal" that ye should show forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into marvelous light. "Saved Jews"

Rev 17:14
These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings, and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. Now this is not for the Jews this would be . The angels which did not follow Satan in his rebellion (Rev. Rev. 12:4+) are also said to be “chosen”: “The elect angels” is ??? ???????? ??????? [t?n eklekt?n angel?n] . But being called speaks of a time prior to having come to the faith—something the elect angels do not experience for they have never been lost, but remained continually faithful.

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News Item2/17/14 9:09 PM
CAB | No TV  Find all comments by CAB
Samuel wrote:
CAB: Wrote: God never meant for us to worship the Jews.
I don't believe that's what we're talking about.It's about Scripture being use incorrectly by famous theologians and presenting the correct interpretations.
It is to the financial benefit of theologians to support the Zionist agenda. That's why I don't watch TV; the Internet is getting to be a propaganda mill also for the Jews, but nowhere near as bad as TV.

The Bible tells us what to expect, and Jesus told the Pharisees, "I come in my Father's name and you don't receive me, but someone else will come in his own name and him you will receive." The Jews want to rule the world through the antichrist. Our Bibles are full of the prophecies of what life will be like for the Christians in that time -- lots of bloodletting, torture, beheading. We will not be able to buy or sell unless we let them chip us, and if we do take the Mark it means condemnation to Hell, per the Bible. The blood will flow, and at least 3/4ths of the world will be killed.

Our Bible warns of the Synagogue of Satan, horrors of Jewish world rule.

FYI, Calvinists on this forum hate me bitterly, slander and revile me because I demolish the Calvinist TULIP easily. I'm a Bible Christian, no heretic at all.

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News Item2/17/14 9:04 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Samuel wrote:
UPS 1 Thessalonians 1:9 is simply a greeting in a letter to the Thessalonians ...
Samuel, thanks for your response. Please remember verses, paragraphs, punctuation are all helpful for us as we read the Scriptures, they are however added. I Thess, 1:4 "Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God." tells us you are wrong in your assertion of no words concerning election. Verse 9 demonstrates that the vast majority of believers in the church were Gentile. I read both epistles to the Thessalonians and nothing indicates that the referenced verse you dispute had ANYTHING to do with the Jews. You will be wise to avoid CAB's heretical (Corner)beliefs. She has proven in multiple posts that alas she knows neither the Word of God nor the God of the Word.

I Peter 2:9 "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light; 10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy" --- surely you acknowledge these verses speak of all believers (see also Revelation 17:14)

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News Item2/17/14 9:01 PM
Samuel  Find all comments by Samuel
CAB: Wrote:

God never meant for us to worship the Jews.
I don't believe that's what we're talking about.

It's about Scripture being use incorrectly by famous theologians and presenting the correct interpretations of they certain words used and who they are really talking about.

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News Item2/17/14 8:39 PM
CAB | No TV  Find all comments by CAB
Samuel wrote:
CAB Wrote:
What do you think the Jews are chosen FOR?
Deuteronomy 14:2
For thou [art] an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that [are] upon the earth.
Samuel, you can't pin your doctrine on one verse. Deuteronomy describes the contract God made with the Jews. True, God did pick them to reveal himself to them in a special and intimate way, and to bless them, and offered to bless them even more. God told them, if you will serve me and obey me, I will bless you abundantly above all, and if you don't serve and obey me I will curse you.

Well, a contract is a two-way deal. The Jews did not keep their part of the bargain, they worshipped other gods, and were not faithful to God.

God never meant for us to worship the Jews. The Bible is a story about God's dealing with a race of people, and it's about God, not about them. Our relationship is with God, not the Jews, and their story is for our benefit, not to worship them.

Read Galatians. The seed of Abraham is faith in God, and all who believe in Jesus are the seed of Abraham.

It's about faith, not DNA. There will be a remnant of Jews saved at the Second Coming.

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News Item2/17/14 8:35 PM
Samuel  Find all comments by Samuel
CAB Wrote:
UK John, why are you personally attacking and reviling a new poster here (Samuel)?

Calm down CAB, I don't take to any offense what John Uk or anybody else has said, to me it's just a simple discussion

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News Item2/17/14 8:35 PM
All 5 points  Find all comments by All 5 points
1689 bap wrote:
Amen I always go to Rev. 1:8
I am the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the ending saith The Lord, which is, which was, and is to come, the almighty.
I find it hard to misunderstand that verse but some do
Scripture interprets Scripture see
Isaiah 44:3 For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring: 4 And they shall spring up as among the grass, as willows by the water courses. 5 One shall say, I am the Lord's; and another shall call himself by the name of Jacob; and another shall subscribe with his hand unto the Lord, and surname himself by the name of Israel. 6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

This OT passage declares that Revelation is Christ's declaration of Deity and S, one with the Father and bound as Head to his Bride the Church, the covenant language of Isaiah is observable, as 2 Cor.617 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the L

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News Item2/17/14 8:31 PM
Samuel  Find all comments by Samuel
DUH Wrote:
I am no friend of Calvin, but also I do not deny doctrines that he got right. You have a problem with that?

You sure about that? Why don't you study the scriptures a little better instead of taking what someone tells you.

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News Item2/17/14 8:26 PM
Samuel  Find all comments by Samuel
CAB Wrote:
What do you think the Jews are chosen FOR?

Deuteronomy 14:2
For thou [art] an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that [are] upon the earth.

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News Item2/17/14 8:14 PM
CAB | No TV  Find all comments by CAB
Duh wrote:
You can't prove it any more than accept the proof that anyone else gives you. What are you doing here then? Just come to trouble the unsettled? Or perhaps, to try and find someone to massage your ego?
UK John, why are you personally attacking and reviling a new poster here (Samuel)?

I don't know why SA allows you to spew your misery all over this forum, year after year, blowing smoke, breaking every posting rule, reviling, promoting horrific soul-damning heresies, and you always seem to have your menagerie of imaginary friends with you. This place is like a lunatic asylum, and maybe SA doesn't notice that, but you are the reason for it.

It's impossible to have a discussion about anything here, because you won't let it happen. I really think somebody is paying you, like the Mossad, MI5, the Banksters.

You don't act Christian, your doctrines are anything but Christian, and your dirty tricks are not cute or clever. How many people have you lured into Hell, how many important discussions have you managed to kill over the years?

There is no reason to be slinging around words like "liar," calling people stupid.

I don't understand why SA allows you ruin this forum the way you do for 7 or 8 years now.

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News Item2/17/14 7:45 PM
Duh  Find all comments by Duh
Samuel wrote:
It seems your kinda aggravated. Why? Because you believe in Calvin's theology. Sorry.
Seems to be a theme with unthinking people on this forum. Every time there is a disagreement it must be because of Calvin? Duh!

I am no friend of Calvin, but also I do not deny doctrines that he got right. You have a problem with that?

If you believe you are right the onus is on you to prove your case. So get to it.

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News Item2/17/14 7:42 PM
CAB  Find all comments by CAB
Samuel wrote:
The Bible is clear as day that Israel and the Jews are God's chosen people. I'm not saying that all Jews are saved they still must be born again.
Hi, Samuel, glad to see a nonCalvinist posting here. But you are acting like a Calvinist when it comes to the Jews. What do you think the Jews are chosen FOR? Remember, they cursed themselves and their children, and the Jewish religion is committed to stamping out Christianity, all mention of Jesus (ie the word Yeshu in the Talmud is an insulting rabinical acronym for Jesus that means "May his name be forever blotted from the earth." Texe Marrs program this week deals with the Holy Serpent, Leviathan that the self-worshipping Jews embody, that they are the serpent and the serpent is them, and they will eat the serpent, as the Christians eat the body and blood of Jesus. IOW, Judaism teaches that the Jews are collectively the messiah. The six pointed star is Satanic as is the Judaic religion. The Zohar, Kabala, is occultic, Satanic. The Talmud is full of instructions in unrighteousness (ie how to commit unspeakable crimes and sins in the "right" way).

The Bible plainly says that most of the Jews in the Exodus died in their sins in the wilderness, and on through history the same.

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