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SATURDAY, SEP 21, 2013  |  123 comments
Decline in SBC baptisms being studied by pastors' task force

The North American Mission Board is convening a national Pastors' Task Force on Evangelistic Impact & Declining Baptisms to address the continued decrease in baptisms among Southern Baptist churches. The group's first meeting was Sept. 18 in Nashville.

The 2012 Annual Church Profile reported a drop of 5.52 percent in the number of baptisms in Southern Baptist churches, confirming a two-decade downward trend. The most recent accounting marked the first time since 1948 that baptisms dropped below 315,000.

From 1950-2011 Southern Baptists baptized an average of 379,711 people annually. Only twice during that time did the numbers dip more than 10 percent below that average. But in 2012 the decline was 13 percent off the average -- the worst drop in 62 years. ...


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John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
John for JESUS wrote:
1) I am under the impression that they are both in Judea (JESUS and His disciples), but not necessarily together. I want to say He already sent them out to spread the gospel. I will have to check on that when I get a chance and I will get back to you. I'm also under this impression because when Jesus heard that the disciples were baptizing disciples He went to Samaria ahead of them. They caught up to Him at the well.
Nay lad.

John 3:22 KJV
22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.

They all went together to Samaria.

John 4:7-8 KJV
7 There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink.
8 For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.

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News Item10/6/13 5:43 PM
John for JESUS | ATL  Find all comments by John for JESUS
John UK wrote:
1. Here we have Jesus the Teacher and his DISCIPLES. They are learning FROM HIM. He is TEACHING THEM.
Now what happens when he preaches? Some of his hearers are baptised. Who by? His DISCIPLES.
2. And you want to claim that they were baptising converts and the Lord Jesus Christ (their Teacher) was standing idly by, thinking, "I suppose I ought to stop them."
3. Nay lad, the reason Jesus did not baptise was to avoid pride (of those who had been baptised by HIM not the ordinary disciples) and to show the authority bestowed upon disciples, an authority to baptise converts and teach them whatsoever Jesus had commanded them.
1) I am under the impression that they are both in Judea (JESUS and His disciples), but not necessarily together. I want to say He already sent them out to spread the gospel. I will have to check on that when I get a chance and I will get back to you. I'm also under this impression because when Jesus heard that the disciples were baptizing disciples He went to Samaria ahead of them. They caught up to Him at the well.
2) It's possible He was there and allowed for it because of Jewish tradition. Not wanting to hinder the gospel.
3) Why did He heal then? People could have the same pride problems w/ that.
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News Item10/6/13 5:58 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
John for JESUS wrote:
Yeah, let's base our doctrine off of everything the Apostles ever did! Perhaps you can scold Jesus like Peter did or draw straws to reveal the will of God, lol. I'm sure Jesus knew what they were doing, but it doesn't mean He taught them too.
Wow John, that's the MOST oddball comment you've made yet. Do you check through before posting?

You say, "What!?"

Ahem. Here we have Jesus the Teacher and his DISCIPLES. They are learning FROM HIM. He is TEACHING THEM.

Now what happens when he preaches? Some of his hearers are baptised. Who by? His DISCIPLES.

And you want to claim that they were baptising converts and the Lord Jesus Christ (their Teacher) was standing idly by, thinking, "I suppose I ought to stop them."

Nay lad, the reason Jesus did not baptise was to avoid pride (of those who had been baptised by HIM not the ordinary disciples) and to show the authority bestowed upon disciples, an authority to baptise converts and teach them whatsoever Jesus had commanded them.

Sorry for the delay, John. Been most busy working.

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News Item10/5/13 12:20 PM
John for JESUS | ATL  Find all comments by John for JESUS
Christians baptize in water as a public confession of faith for what reason? I think most would point to the Great Commission and assume He must have been talking about water baptism based on their preconceived notions of what baptism is because of how John the Baptist did it. But what is really important is what Jesus meant by baptism. He never spoke of a Christian ceremony called baptism which used water. Ever. He does say "John baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit. So when Jesus says "baptism" in the Great Commission, it seems at least probable that He is talking about the baptism in the Holy Spirit. If He wasn't, one would expect the Apostles to have at least been baptized by Christ in water and also for there to be some kind of directions for it as with communion. But there is zero, none, nada. If anybody wants to make a public profession of faith, it would be best to say it and let yourselves be known by your fruit! Eph 4:5-6 says there is one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all. When people say there is more than one baptism, they in essence are saying there is more than one religious faith and God. They are basically taking Christ aside and saying "May it never be Lord, there are two!"
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News Item10/5/13 9:25 AM
penny  Find all comments by penny
Jesus baptizes us with the Holy Spirit as our King and Priest.

Christians baptize in water in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as a public confession of faith.

First century Christians baptized in water. (not Jewish)

They also shared communion with wine and bread.

There is one communion with Christ and one invisible church, but we take the wine and bread as a reminder of that covenant.

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News Item10/5/13 8:55 AM
No one claimed to be | baptized by Christ  Find all comments by No one claimed to be
10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;

15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.

16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

The word baptism did not appear until verse 13, it does not state that they said they were baptized by the people listed in verse 12 just that they said they were followers of those people. Stop adding to the Bible. If you going to use verses at least take the time to read them first.

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News Item10/5/13 6:10 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
ofe wrote:
Pastors' Task Force take note:
"No county in America had church growth during the past decade."
Who measures church growth by county?
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News Item10/5/13 4:25 AM
John for JESUS | ATL  Find all comments by John for JESUS
John UK wrote:
Oh I see. The Lord Jesus was preaching the new covenant, saying, "Repent ye and believe the gospel" and then his disciples secretly baptised those who responded in water, but it wasn't a baptism relating to faith in Jesus Christ, rather it was a sort of Jewish ritualism regarding the old covenant.
Yeah, let's base our doctrine off of everything the Apostles ever did! Perhaps you can scold Jesus like Peter did or draw straws to reveal the will of God, lol. I'm sure Jesus knew what they were doing, but it doesn't mean He taught them too. The fact is, John the Baptist's baptism is always referred to in the past tense after Jesus was baptized (Matt 21:25, Lk 20:4, John 10:40, etc). The Apostles were baptizing more disciples than John (John 4:1), but that is different than John's baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. There is never a case in scripture where Jesus either baptized people in water directly or commanded for it to be done. When He hears what his disciples are doing He departs to Samaria and tells the women at the well, "whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life."
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News Item10/5/13 3:21 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
John for JESUS wrote:
What did Jesus have to say about baptism in those verses? That's right! Nothing.
Oh I see. The Lord Jesus was preaching the new covenant, saying, "Repent ye and believe the gospel" and then his disciples secretly baptised those who responded in water, but it wasn't a baptism relating to faith in Jesus Christ, rather it was a sort of Jewish ritualism regarding the old covenant.

Frank wrote:
Hey brother! It is impossible to not perceive Paul's comment doesn't relate to water baptism. You are correct.
[12] Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. [13] Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? [14] I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; [15] Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. [16] And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. [17] For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. (1Cr 1:12-17 KJV)
The proof stacks up bro, thanks.
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News Item10/4/13 11:18 PM
John for JESUS | ATL  Find all comments by John for JESUS
Frank wrote:
Hey brother! It is impossible to not perceive Paul's comment doesn't relate to water baptism. You are correct.
[12] Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. [13] Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? [14] I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; [15] Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. [16] And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. [17] For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. (1Cr 1:12-17 KJV)
Hi Frank, I brought this up earlier. Maybe you missed it. If 1 Cor 1:12-17 is about water baptizing, then how could some of the Corinthians claim to have been of Christ? How could they claim to have been baptized by Him? He had already ascended. If this is about any baptism then it would be baptism in the Holy Spirit.
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News Item10/4/13 9:14 PM
John for JESUS | ATL  Find all comments by John for JESUS
John UK wrote:
John 3:22-23 KJV
22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.
John 4:1-3 KJV
1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,
2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)
3 He left Judaea, and departed again into Galilee.
Water, water, everywhere.
What did Jesus have to say about baptism in those verses? That's right! Nothing. For another thing, it clearly says Jesus baptized not, but His disciples. Oh, and another thing, they were baptizing disciples. John's baptism wasn't for discipleship, it was for the remission of sins and preparing theirselves for the Messiah to come! So here you have an example of Jews baptizing (according to Jewish custom) people for discipleship under Jesus. There is John's baptism, Jewish discipleship baptism, Holy Spirit baptism, and baptism for the dead mentioned in the N.T. that people performed. Only one is Christian. Which one? Or will you try and tell me there are two Lords and two baptisms (Eph 4:5)?
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News Item10/4/13 7:03 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
Water, water, everywhere.
Hey brother! It is impossible to not perceive Paul's comment doesn't relate to water baptism. You are correct.

[12] Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. [13] Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? [14] I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; [15] Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. [16] And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. [17] For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. (1Cr 1:12-17 KJV)

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News Item10/4/13 6:10 PM
Crimson | USA  Find all comments by Crimson
You reap what you sow.

Seed time and Harvest time. (trumps karma!!!!)Yoga masonry jesuit contemplative prayer. ricky warren's UN agenda. SBC has been a whoring for sometime. Full of freemasons and jesuits. When you run with the papacy be ready to burn.

Jesus Himself outlined the canon of Scripture, but old mother whore added her apocrypha. All, ALL new bibles since 1881 are Jesuit Bibles. And SBC has helped ROME lead millions to hell.

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News Item10/4/13 5:59 PM
ofe  Find all comments by ofe
Pastors' Task Force take note:

"No county in America had church growth during the past decade."

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News Item10/4/13 5:05 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
John 3:22-23 KJV
22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

John 4:1-3 KJV
1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,
2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)
3 He left Judaea, and departed again into Galilee.

Water, water, everywhere.

I do wish you'd stop making ludicrous comments, John.

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News Item10/4/13 4:56 PM
John for JESUS | ATL  Find all comments by John for JESUS
After you two get done patting yourselves on the back for agreeing with each other, take a look at Acts 1:5 which quotes Jesus as saying, "For John truly baptized in water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now." Jesus only talked of two baptisms. John's baptism in the past tense and baptism with the Holy Spirit. He never is quoted as having endorsed any other type, so when He says in Matt 28: 19, "baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," which baptism is that, John's or with the Holy Spirit? When Eph 4:5 says there is one Lord, one faith, one baptism, which one? John's baptism for the remission of sins?!
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News Item10/4/13 3:29 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
Ya know, John, I get frustrated with J4J types.... not because they won't accept correction from me but because they won't accept correction from God. The bible He authored is so incredibly harmonious cover to cover that I often marvel that the individual writers didn't even comprehend how glorious the particular book they were penning would be when included in the whole. David didn't know Psalm 68:18 would eventually be cited by Paul in Eph 4:8 and Joel didn't know Peter would eventually quote him in Acts but when the context of these prophecies are brought forward to their fulfillment, we are able to perceive things, see a clearer picture if you will, which is impossible to perceive by reading the Pentecost account alone. And this prophecy/fulfillment happens all over the NT.
J4J types think they've got it all figured out, they've got the puzzle put together right and see the proper picture when they are missing half the pieces which paint an altogether different picture.
Ah well, I'm a monergist and know that only God gives eyes to see, ears to hear and a heart to perceive.
Blessings, bro.
Yep! We can leave it with the Lord.

Blessings to you too, bro.

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News Item10/4/13 12:50 PM
John for JESUS | ATL  Find all comments by John for JESUS
Lurker wrote:
1. Are you serious? Exactly when did He ascend on high and give gifts unto men?
2. Don't even get me started on dispy fairy tales..... It just occurred to me...... How easily you buy into dispy teachings which is so full of holes, 2,000 year gaps and contradictions it's a joke but verifiable biblical cross references you blow off. Amazing!
1. Jesus ascended up to heaven before Pentecost. Also. I'm not getting the connection you are making. You throw in some judgement verses from Psalm 68:1-2 about Christ second coming and mix that in with Joel 2 and say, "Aha! Judgement Day happened at Pentecost!" I'm confused by your point and perhaps what you mean. Can you elaborate?
2. "For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?" (Rms 11:15). I believe, as Paul wrote under inspiration of the Holy Spirit, that when Israel finally turns to her Messiah the Resurrection will occur. Don't you?
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News Item10/4/13 12:20 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
John UK wrote:
Truly it is. Either that, or just plain weird. Well I didn't call him an oddball for nothing. And I wasn't being nasty, just truthful.
Ya know, John, I get frustrated with J4J types.... not because they won't accept correction from me but because they won't accept correction from God. The bible He authored is so incredibly harmonious cover to cover that I often marvel that the individual writers didn't even comprehend how glorious the particular book they were penning would be when included in the whole. David didn't know Psalm 68:18 would eventually be cited by Paul in Eph 4:8 and Joel didn't know Peter would eventually quote him in Acts but when the context of these prophecies are brought forward to their fulfillment, we are able to perceive things, see a clearer picture if you will, which is impossible to perceive by reading the Pentecost account alone. And this prophecy/fulfillment happens all over the NT.

J4J types think they've got it all figured out, they've got the puzzle put together right and see the proper picture when they are missing half the pieces which paint an altogether different picture.

Ah well, I'm a monergist and know that only God gives eyes to see, ears to hear and a heart to perceive.

Blessings, bro.

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News Item10/4/13 12:11 PM
John for JESUS | ATL  Find all comments by John for JESUS
penny wrote:
nope, matthew 28 is about water baptism, because Christ was not giving the disciples authority to baptize people into the Holy Spirit, which sounds blasphemous to me.
Teaching others about Christ can bring about the baptism in the Holy Spirit. It doesn't require the authority to do it directly and yet they also laid hands on people and did it directly as God gave them the authority to do so In a few special cases, for instance when the Samaritans first believed. Perhaps it was a way to show Jesus passed down authority to the Apostles to continue the work of God or that He has accepted Samaritans, Gentiles, and Paul into the church body. Didn't God give His disciples authority to heal, write scripture, and preach the Gospel? How do you consider those things any less blasphemous?

JOHN UK...
I noticed you posted something about me perhaps being part of some heretical group of charismatics and then smiling gleefully about that! First of all, I am not of the charismatic persuasion and secondly, what kind of Christian would be happy to see someone involved in that mess?!

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