How badly do Christians need Christian education? And what exactly does Christian education entail? The answers are not always obvious. Even among evangelicals, there is no consensus about whether to put children in Christian schools, or at what level. If parents send their children to a Christian school, it is most likely to be at the collegiate level. Students often make key decisions about their faith in college, an unparalleled time of intellectual formation. Many figure that the extra expense of a private Christian college is worth it. Still, factors such as financial resources and childrenâ€™s personalities weigh in the decision, made for the most part without official pressure from churches (excepting some Anabaptist and Reformed traditions).
With all due deference to peopleâ€™s judgments about their own children, and to their financial circumstances, I wonder whether churches should prod...
Thanks for your response,DP. You seem to be presenting incongruous views. You state that children are not necessarily regenerate just because they go to a public or Christian school, and then you say they have an obligation to be in public school for evangelistic purposes. To be sure God is more than capable of sustaining His children in any environment. Temptation is supposed to avoided, not passed by but turned away. There are many temptations at public schools. Most young Christians would not flourish in an environment in which they are taught as truth 7 hours a day the very opposite of what you find in the Bible. You would not recommend youngsters spend the same amount of time watching television. We are not sending powerful evangelist to school, we are sending impressionable young people who whether we like it or not are influenced by peer pressure. You ask will the Lord not protect His children. I know my safety in travel is fully dependent on the providence of God, but I don't try and type or read a text message driving down the road. God said to parents to train up a child in the way he should go, He did not say this only applies to those who have a professional teacher's certificate. Our young children are to grow in grace and admonition of the Lord not the state.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: Some people are providentially hindered from being able to pull their children out of public schools
Thanks Ups. Check the specific point which I cut out of your post. Yes the ways of the schools are sinful as you mentioned. That's no surprise to any Christian. First; We are called to serve in a fallen world whether in shops, factories OR schools colleges or whatever place of education. Should we change all the properties of the secular world to witness in a pious way? Second as you point out providence does not make every Christian a professional teacher. GOD did not create the human race that way. Some of us are not educated like that. This tends to be a certain class of society. Then there is the poor uneducated folks who must do their best for their kids. If that means the local school in this fallen world then all they can do is - Trust in God. Third; Education wherever it falls does not create Christians - God does. Providence does not place all of God's children in the "perfect" environment to create the "perfect" Christian, but that is where God puts us. Where we must struggle. Don't make a "monastery" out of homeschooling.
DP, The Bible says learn NOT the way of heathen. You have 2 articles referenced here in SA, one about transgenders using facilities of the opposite sex in public schools and the other about LGBT agenda being taught in public school curriculum. The Lord Jesus calls us sheep, He does not throw sheep out to the wolves and say deal with it, He gently leads us along. Some people are providentially hindered from being able to pull their children out of public schools but parents have to answer to God regardless on how they raised their children in the fear and admonition of the Lord. My guess is you don't have children. Strong plants, btw, are grown in greenhouses. Children can be trained to give out the gospel and stand for God without having to be put in public schools. How do you think it happened before there were public schools? I have watched in sadness my brother's children all suffer spiritually due to the fact they are a product of the public schools that they attended. I thank God for His grace, but my son attended Christian schools for 18 years and is now faithfully serving God in a secular job. I believe his education was used by God to play a major role in his godly life. I would still encourage you to listen to Al Martin's sermons on Psalm 1. Thanks
Anne wrote: 7: That's what we were talking about to begin with. Again, God chooses whom He wills - Christian parents or no. Still doesn't negate my duty or anyone else's; we will ultimately be held responsible for those decisions.
Yes, it's best to teach the children well, and be example. Who knows, they might be elect.
7: That's what we were talking about to begin with. Again, God chooses whom He wills - Christian parents or no. Still doesn't negate my duty or anyone else's; we will ultimately be held responsible for those decisions.
1,3: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength. These words that I am giving you today are to be in your heart. Repeat them to your children. Talk about them when you sit in your house and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up." (Deuteronomy 6:5-7) 2: "He protects His flock like a shepherd; He gathers the lambs in His arms and carries them in the fold of His garment. He gently leads those that are nursing." (Isaiah 40:11) 4: "But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for His possession, so that you may proclaim the praises of the One who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light." (1 Peter 2:9) 5: "In that same hour He rejoiced in the Holy Spirit and said, â€œI praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and the learned and have revealed them to infants. Yes, Father, because this was Your good pleasure." Luke 10:21. And, see first verse. Are you a parent? I either see anywhere in the Bible where this was rescinded if you are a Christian nor where a parent is to usurp their authority to another. 6: I hope you are not a literalist because that will make for a boat load of problems. 7: That's what we we
Anne wrote: 1. opposed to the Word of God, "preaching to the converted"? 2. firm foundation before being sent out to the wolves? 3. give your kids every opportunity to be in Gods word 4. I get where you are going with the "God saving His elect" statement but it is based on an unbiblical assumption. 5. instruct our children, educate them, all the time 6. a generational statement 7. taught the truths
1. Missed the point. "Preaching to the converted" refers here to placing our children in an ivory tower which is "perfect" in some eyes. 2. Our kids were sent into a fallen world surprise! surprise! That was God's doing. Now lets trust in God? 3. Sounds perfect. Doesn't sound like planet earth. Not all of us are in the position to teach and preach. 4. If you don't know about God saving the elect then you have a problem receiving the truth. 5. No we are to do what God has providentially ordained for our life. We are not all placed by God in the brainy middle class. 6. Disagree. Jesus goes deeper than that. 7. 'If' they were born to Christian parents. Many that is many are not. Therefore they still have to find their way and get an education. God provides. Thank God.
Practical may not always be perceived as perfect!!
I have more to say if the Lord wills, but just a passing comment for now. I believe that Anne must be a carpenter. As usual she hits the proverbial nail right on the head. Thank you for your great comments they are not only true but truly a blessing. Speaking of insightful, Mike once again catches the underlying theme from the different planet comments, good catch. Thankful for my good brother Frank's comments and Lady Virtue pointing out the responsibility of parents followed by Erik's encouragement to home school. Which leaves our response, ever so briefly to different planet. I can't help but think that DP does NOT let his/her children sit for hours unsupervised in front of the tv or let them go wherever on the internet. Yet DP is advocating sending children for 35+ hours a week to a place that teaches moral relativism, man is the measure of all things, and worships at the altar of secular humanism? Also the peer pressure and godliness that comes with it. I would heartily suggest you listen to Albert N Martin's first few messages on Psalm 1 preached a while back(pretty sure long before dates listed)available here on SermonAudio. (Just search for speakers, Albert N Martin and search for Psalm 1 when you have a list of his sermons)God's blessing to all.
We started Home Schooling last year and it is a true blessing to do so. I did send them to a Christian school prior to that. I do think sending them to a public school system is like throwing the lambs into a den of lions. Even the Christian school they attended had a lot of the same issues as a public school just not as wide spread. I think Christian home schooling has been a far better experience.
... But if you are a firm believer that your children somehow function without soul-conflict in the face of a roaring lion trying to devour them before they reach maturity, you won't agree with is either.
God protects His flock, period. But we don't invite in the wolves, nor should we send the lambs out to greet them.
different, I would suggest reading Psalm 1 and then try to justify rendering unto Caesar your children. A child is supposed to be protected by godly parents while being instructed in the Word of God. How is placing them in a school, diametrically opposed to the Word of God, "preaching to the converted"? Do they not deserve a firm foundation before being sent out to the wolves? Again, I have said it before: give your kids every opportunity to be in Gods word while they are young because Satan won't miss any opportunities with them either.
I get where you are going with the "God saving His elect" statement but it is based on an unbiblical assumption. Duet. 6 tells parents we are to instruct our children, educate them, all the time. This isn't about who is and who isn't save. It's about fulfillment of a biblical mandate for parents.
And the Luke reference is a generational statement, not a statement of literal children. Ephesians 6:1 admonishes children to "obey your parents as you would the Lord for this is right." Children should be taught the truths of our Savior at the feet of their parents who can love, cherish, guide and discipline their hearts and heads. I could go on, but if you are a firm believe that your children somehow function properly without soul-conf
"Kids" make "key decisions" about heir faith long before college. This is a silly article. For the entire history of the world, the last 200 years excepting, kids were schooled at home and we could produce people such as the great theologians, inventors and founding fathers. Now we produce just more of the world, whether in government schools or private Christian campuses. The kids are leaving the church at the same rate by the time they hit college. Something is broken long before...