A newspaper column lampooning Southern Baptists, calling the group "the crazy old paranoid uncle of evangelical Christians," is causing quite a stir in a Kentucky city and put a pastor's job in jeopardy.
The column was written by Angela Thomas, the wife of Bill Thomas, an assistant pastor at the First Baptist Church in Madisonville. Her column was done in response to the Southern Baptist Convention's opposition to a new Boy Scouts of America policy that welcomes gay members.
"Sexuality doesn't come up and isn't relative to typical scouting activities but now, thanks to Southern Baptists, the parents of little innocent scouts everywhere are having to have The Talk," she wrote June 19 in The Madisonville Messenger. She writes a weekly humor column for the community paper, which publishes daily.
In the weeks since, the status of Bill Thomas' job with the church has become unclear. The First...
Thomas the Doubter wrote: A problem with most pastors is they are poorly qualified, especially so called "youth pastors".
Thomas the Doubter I heard that!
Yesterday, I was walking our dog and went by a local church that was having a rumage sale. Being concerned for this church and their "modern" teachings I stopped and briefly visited in the parking lot with my dog.
After the young girls in the youth group petted our beagle I asked their favorite Bible verse...they didn't have one
But the "Youth Pastor" said: 1 Cor 15:58 NIV Therefore, my dear brothers, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.
Afterwards in pondering his response, a good verse (personally won't use NIV), I had to think this is an enormous part of the problem:
Modern day heretics/false teachers/grossly unqualified pastors and especially youth pastors imagine they are serving God even when they have grossly abused, reinterpreted, if not outright denied what God Himself teaches us in Scripture and want nothing to move them to reconsider their sin/unbelief and lead to the thorough repentance they need.
"Sexuality doesn't come up and isn't relative to typical scouting activities..." Funny how it never comes up, and yet that's all they've been talking about for the past year. As for her comment about southern baptists drifting to the right.....oh how I wish it were so. At BEST they have remained in place, but realistically, they have just been drifting left slower than everyone else. Example, Moore's comment that Jesus sinned. smh
Judging by the responses of both the wife and the Pastor they are both Liberal in their views of homosexual practice. She in her article and he in his response regarding the homosexual and his position in the choir in relation to church policy.
If both are in opposition to the Biblical teachings on homosexual behaviour, which are that it is an abomination and defiles the person and the land we live in (Lev 18:22FF), then they are not Christians and should be asked to leave the church.
Because a little leaven can leaven the whole church if Satan gets his way.
John Yurich USA wrote: The term constructive criticism is an oxymoron. That is what I was taught in the empowerment classes that I have been taking in a professional development training program at a school. Other classes I have taken are learning the Microsoft Office Suite, Keyboarding, Career Development and Workplace Communications.
 Let the righteous smite me; [it shall be] a kindness: and let him reprove me; [it shall be] an excellent oil, [which] shall not break my head: for yet my prayer also [shall be] in their calamities. (Psa 141:5 KJV)
 When the scorner is punished, the simple is made wise: and when the wise is instructed, he receiveth knowledge. (Pro 21:11 KJV)
 Smite a scorner, and the simple will beware: and reprove one that hath understanding, [and] he will understand knowledge. (Pro 19:25 KJV)
Not trying to be nit-picky here. Just not sure why constructive criticism is an oxymoron. To critique something is to one who expresses a reasoned opinion on any matter especially involving a judgment of its value, truth, righteousness, beauty, or technique (per Webster) It seems like a criticism can be given in either a constructive way or a destructive way. If we are not responsive to criticism, no matter in what way it is given, then that would indicate pride on our part. IMHO constructive criticism would be understood both by the one giving and the one receiving to be a desire to help. But I do get that most people who begin with the words let me offer some constructive criticism are just trying to be critical not helpful
JPW Wrote: "They are forcing these ideas on small children even, through music, tv, books, programs.... so that children are to accept as normal when a man does not want to be a man, and a woman who hates men -- even before they are ready to understand adult marriage."
That's always the distressing part for me...the next gen is growing up confused, not unlike the lie, evolution, being forced upon them.
Good for you, John...glad to hear something personal about yourself. By keyboarding, do you mean typing? I guess the term has changed. I'm still a two finger guy but I can actually type pretty fast regardless. Constructive criticism...I'll have to give that one some thought, as to it being an oxymoron. I suppose criticism is just that...criticism.
The term constructive criticism is an oxymoron. That is what I was taught in the empowerment classes that I have been taking in a professional development training program at a school. Other classes I have taken are learning the Microsoft Office Suite, Keyboarding, Career Development and Workplace Communications.
this is a hard article to comment on. the boy scouts are effectively sexualizing the boys and those who point it out for what it is, are accused of bringing sexuality into a conversation.
A normal, self controlled man and woman does not enjoy having perversions pushed at them day and night, things they think not of nor want to be a part of, things that disturb their soul and spirit.
No repeating of a mantra or forcing images at those under control of the Holy Spirit is going to conform them to the perversions. No mocking or jesting, or regulations is going to make these behaviors right.
They are forcing these ideas on small children even, through music, tv, books, programs.... so that children are to accept as normal when a man does not want to be a man, and a woman who hates men -- even before they are ready to understand adult marriage.
I've never seen a generation so eager to push private things in other people's faces....
she may feel empowered by a move in popular culture or under the pleasure of the state powers, but biblically speaking she has judged those on the receiving end of evil..... and her foundation is sand.
Michael H Wrote: "Now IMHO people are sometimes so tender hearted, so not wanting to be harsh to those in sin that it takes gross open evil to motivate them to do what they should have already done."
Good point, Michael. I think there are many, whether in positions of leadership or not, who don't want to hurt feelings, make anyone angry with them, cause waves, have attention focused upon them, are adverse to confrontation, or whatever. Because of this they either accept things, let things slide, or simply put it out of their minds; hoping the person will change or wait for someone else to deal with it. Giving correction, constructive criticism, or exposing someone is never easy for most, but needs to be done. The difference between doing it and not doing it really could leave their salvation in the balance, along with those the person is effecting, and it could also effect how many others the particular person is allowed to "infect". Sin multiplies, and the sin usually isn't self contained; effecting others in some manner.
for better or for worse wrote: This wife must have Alzheimer's or is on meds. He should not be fired because of her actions.
for better or for worse No! I simply don't believe he was asked/forced to resign only because of his wife's screed. And yes, the church leadership ought to have brought her in with her husband to deal with her behavior.
From the article: Wilson said he believed Bill Thomas ran afoul of some church leadership before the column was published by supporting an openly gay church member. Wilson said Thomas was told to prevent the member from joining the choir, but Thomas declined to do so.
IMHO that by itself ought to have caused this church both to deal with the matter of who they will allow to be members, even to changing/amending their church constitution by-laws wherever needed to be faithful to the word of God, taking the beam out of their own eye first, bringing them to mournful repentance for tolerating such sin in their midst, in meetings where people ought to meet in the very presence of Holy God.
Now IMHO people are sometimes so tender hearted, so not wanting to be harsh to those in sin that it takes gross open evil to motivate them to do what they should have already done. So may God help them to do just that
I have 3 questions? 1. Is Angela Thomas a bible believing Christian? 2. Why would Bill Thomas allow his wife to work for a secular newspaper as a âhumorâ columnist, where this so called humor is used to mock Christianity? 3. Why hasnât Bill Thomas been terminated long ago?
It is high time, actually long over due, that churches in/after taking the logs out of our own eyes first, nevertheless require their staff and members be faithful, not perfect but faithful, to what the word of God clearly teaches us and respectfully terminate relationships with or employment of those in our midst who are openly enemies of God who refuse to repent and be reconciled with those seeking to faithfully serve our Savior.