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TUESDAY, JUN 11, 2013  |  323 comments
Baptist Press: Why Calvinists and Arminians (and those in between) can unite for religious liberty
Next week my denomination will meet, days after a special committee tasked with seeking unity between Calvinists and non-Calvinists in the Southern Baptist Convention issued a report to SBC Executive Committee President Frank Page. The report concludes what I’ve long suspected: We have much more uniting us across these questions than dividing us, and most of us are ready to love one another and work together.

I think it’s important, though, to consider how both the Calvinist and Arminian streams in Christian life bring important emphases together when it comes to one of the most important questions of our time: religious liberty.

James Leland was a Baptist evangelist in the revolutionary era, who agitated Thomas Jefferson and James Madison to include constitutional guarantees of religious liberty. He railed against the Anglican state churches, with their restrictions on Gospel preaching. He did ...


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John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
cmtrys wrote:
SermonAudio commentarys. Taken from the first introductory paragraph:-
Matthew Henry.
John Gill.
Plenty Zech 11 sermons too.
Thanks man!

I never realised there were commentaries here, along with sermons preached on specific verses. That's really excellent, SA!

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News Item6/24/13 3:20 PM
cmtrys  Find all comments by cmtrys
John UK wrote:
timeline
SermonAudio commentarys. Taken from the first introductory paragraph:-
Matthew Henry.
"God's prophet, who, in the chapters before, was an ambassador sent to promise peace, is here a herald sent to declare war. The Jewish nation shall recover its prosperity, and shall flourish for some time and become considerable; it shall be very happy, at length, in the coming of the long-expected Messiah, in the preaching of his gospel, and in the setting up of his standard there. But, when thereby the chosen *REMNANT* among them are effectually called in and united to Christ, the body of the nation, persisting in unbelief, shall be utterly abandoned and given up to ruin"

John Gill.
"The destruction of the temple and city of Jerusalem, and the inhabitants of it, is signified by figurative expressions, Zechariah 11:1 which occasions an howling among the shepherds or rulers of Israel, on account of whose cruelty and covetousness the wrath of God came upon them without mercy, Zechariah 11:3 but inasmuch as there were a *REMNANT* according to the election of grace among among them, named the flock of the slaughter, Christ is called upon to feed them; who undertakes it, and prepares for it"

Plenty Zech 11 sermons too.

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News Item6/24/13 10:23 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
John UK wrote:
1) Bro, I am only just looking into this, and I honestly find it very difficult, because it requires much brain energy to sort out.
2) Does our friend think that the timeline for the prophecy in question is not what you say it is?
3) How then does he arrive at it, and how do you arrive at that timeline?
4) I find dashing around the OT very confusing, but is there a clear portrayal of the interpretation anywhere?
1) You have been given a gift and zeal for preaching to the lost. I know of no one who rivals so no need to lament that you don't have the gift another may have. All are needful for the body but not all are needful for each member.

2) Don't know. He had ample opportunity to refute my interpretations of "poor of the flock" and "Beauty and Bands" and when they were fulfilled but he chose not to.

3) Can't speak for out friend but the context of Zech 11 establishes the timeline and other scripture reinforces that interpretation such as Hbr 10:9-10 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all].

4) I'm afraid not, John.

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News Item6/24/13 2:39 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
Good point, John.
I wonder if our covenant theology friend thinks Jesus lost some of which the Father gave Him from the time of Judas's betrayal till the time the Spirit was poured out from on high. After all, that is the timeline Beauty and Bands was cut asunder.
I rather think the reformed are more concerned about what will happen to their beloved systematic theology if they admit to a crack in its armour. Just think.... infant baptism would wither at the vine if they can't point to Gen 17. Perish the thought.
Anyway, I suspect you're still undecided on this one and that's fine. Don't be swayed by any man including me.... listen to God for He alone is infallible.
Bro, I am only just looking into this, and I honestly find it very difficult, because it requires much brain energy to sort out.

Does our friend think that the timeline for the prophecy in question is not what you say it is? How then does he arrive at it, and how do you arrive at that timeline? I find dashing around the OT very confusing, but is there a clear portrayal of the interpretation anywhere?

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News Item6/23/13 10:57 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
John UK wrote:
Are there any here who are saying that not all of God's elect will be saved?
If so, I do not believe you.
Good point, John.

I wonder if our covenant theology friend thinks Jesus lost some of which the Father gave Him from the time of Judas's betrayal till the time the Spirit was poured out from on high. After all, that is the timeline Beauty and Bands was cut asunder.

I rather think the reformed are more concerned about what will happen to their beloved systematic theology if they admit to a crack in its armour. Just think.... infant baptism would wither at the vine if they can't point to Gen 17. Perish the thought.

Anyway, I suspect you're still undecided on this one and that's fine. Don't be swayed by any man including me.... listen to God for He alone is infallible.

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News Item6/23/13 6:25 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Unity and Continuity wrote:
Also you are insulting God by daring to suggest that He is not competent to maintain His witness in history.
That's rich coming from the one who refuses to believe God cut asunder the covenant He made with all the people.
Unity and Continuity wrote:
I told you there was no point to further discussion on this matter. There are many who fail to realise the significance of the eternal Covenant of Grace.
Thank you for the discussion and I will respect your right to be wrong.
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News Item6/23/13 3:44 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Are there any here who are saying that not all of God's elect will be saved?

If so, I do not believe you.

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News Item6/23/13 3:01 PM
Unity and Continuity  Find all comments by Unity and Continuity
Precision wrote:
Covenant "unto" them, not with them.
That's not the point keep looking.

Lurker wrote:
Oh, what a tangled web we weave....
Was that necessary "Christian"??

Apparently you are seeking to destroy the Biblical witness of Remnant and its perseverance throughout history by the grace of God. That is untrue and unbiblical.
Also you are insulting God by daring to suggest that He is not competent to maintain His witness in history.
The fact that you imply that God does not keep covenant with His Remnant teaches a failure in God and introduces a doubt in Christian Faith.

You need to find out about and identify the "poor of the flock."

I told you there was no point to further discussion on this matter. There are many who fail to realise the significance of the eternal Covenant of Grace.

God be with you.

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News Item6/22/13 6:19 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
The covenant God made with Abraham promised long life and blessings (Deut 29-30). Abraham and His progeny through Isaac and Jacob received all that was promised.

1Ki 8:56 Blessed [be] the LORD, that hath given rest unto his people Israel, according to all that he promised: there hath not failed one word of all his good promise, which he promised by the hand of Moses his servant.

However, Abraham, along with all the first covenant saints, died in faith not receiving the better NC promise (Heb 11:8, 13) of being made perfect by a better covenant (Heb 11:39-40) which promise was eternal life (1 John 2:25).

When did the better promise become a reality?

Hbr 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all].

When Beauty and Bands, borne respectively in the soul and body of Jesus, were cut asunder and He said "It is finished."

Christ crucified and risen is the new and better covenant (Is 42:6) and we are perfect in Him because He was made perfect by suffering the shame of the cross, taking that out of the way (the letter of Bands which kills, 2 Cor 3:6) which was against us, nailing it to the cross.

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News Item6/22/13 3:26 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Unity and Continuity wrote:
God annulled the covenant He had with the nation Israel.

But God has never never annulled the covenant of Grace which HE maintains with the "true Israel."

That Covenant is eternal by the work and purpose of God and since the foundation of the world when He made it with our Mediator.

So "true Israel" was not present with "all the people" party to Beauty as we read in Deut 29-30?

Zec 11:10 And I took my staff, [even] Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with **all the people**.

Oh, what a tangled web we weave....

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News Item6/22/13 3:08 PM
Precision  Find all comments by Precision
Unity and Continuity wrote:
God annulled the covenant He had with the nation Israel.
But God has never never annulled the covenant of Grace which HE maintains with the "true Israel."
That Covenant is eternal by the work and purpose of God and since the foundation of the world when He made it with our Mediator.
Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Covenant "unto" them, not with them.
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News Item6/22/13 3:00 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
John UK wrote:
Lurker, just for my interest, can you tell me what where the terms of the covenant which God broke with all the people?
I'll try.

God spoke of two covenants in Zech 11: Beauty and Bands. Bands was the Sinai covenant aka the brotherly covenant (Amos 1:9) therefore when He broke it He broke the brotherhood between the house of Judah and the house of Israel (northern kingdom). The terms are expounded beginning at Exodus 34:27 and continue through Leviticus. However, the letter of the law kills (2 Cor 3:6) so the covenant was kept by loving the brethren (neighbour) as yourself.

Beauty was the Zion covenant of peace first made with Abraham. Its terms are expounded in Deut 29:30. It was kept by: Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

The first covenant promise was life and blessings for keeping the first covenant and death and cursings for breaking them (Deut 30:19-20). Israel broke them both (Is 24:5).

Hbr 11:39 And these all (including Abraham), having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

What promise? Eternal life (1 John 2:25).

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News Item6/22/13 2:51 PM
Unity and Continuity  Find all comments by Unity and Continuity
Lurker wrote:
my question?
God annulled the covenant He had with the nation Israel.

But God has never never annulled the covenant of Grace which HE maintains with the "true Israel."

That Covenant is eternal by the work and purpose of God and since the foundation of the world when He made it with our Mediator.

Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

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News Item6/22/13 2:35 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
For a sermon about Israel & the Church Remain Distinct go here, But as far as written material is concerned, you should look over, Does God Have a Future for Israel?: A Study of Romans 11 You can read Dr. Ice's journey from "Christian Reconstructionism," What do you do with a future National Israel in the Bible? This is a quite good HTML file.
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News Item6/22/13 2:00 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
b. You have yet to prove that which you assume which you can't without making God break His word. Zec 11:10 And I took my staff, [even] Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people.
Now, will you answer my question?
Lurker, just for my interest, can you tell me what where the terms of the covenant which God broke with all the people?
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News Item6/22/13 1:13 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Unity and Continuity wrote:
a. If the Apostles/disciples were the only 'Remnant' in Scripture - Then 'we' as well as everybody else in Bible days have no hope??
b. If God did (does) keep covenant with His Remnant, then who is left in the Zech 11 situation whom God breaks covenant with?
Again, no answer to a simple question.

What we are talking about here is God's trustworthiness in keeping His word good or bad. Your unwillingness to give a straight up yes or no answer tells me you fear to say no yet you have no fear to make every excuse under the sun to nullify what God swore He would do. Don't be a hypocrite (Mat 5:37).

a. Most prophecies have a specific timeline of fulfillment. So it is with the Zech 11 prophecy which timeline is established by the context of Jesus' betrayal by Judas Iscariot. Fuzz it up to stretch from Adam to this day if you must but it only further demonstrates your willingness to violate biblical truth to uphold a man's doctrine.

b. You have yet to prove that which you assume which you can't without making God break His word. Zec 11:10 And I took my staff, [even] Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people.

Now, will you answer my question?

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News Item6/22/13 10:44 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
1689
"The covenant of salvation rests upon an eternal covenant transaction between the Father and the Son about the redemption of the elect. It is solely by the grace of this covenant that all the descendants of fallen Adam who have ever been saved have obtained life and blessed immortality, because man is now utterly incapable of gaining acceptance with God on the terms by which Adam stood in his state of innocency."
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News Item6/22/13 10:30 AM
Precision  Find all comments by Precision
Unity and Continuity wrote:
Rom 9:6 For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
# Verse teaches TWO peoples in Israel - ONE Remnant. TWO Reprobate. Guess which one God makes the Covenant with. Therefore this demonstrates covenant personal relationship is selective, viz election.
Covenant - Is God making a personal relationship with HIS elect/Remnant.
Gen 17:2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly."
Note: God "MAKES" the covenant.
Note: Between GOD and man (Abraham in this case)
Note: How significant this is to have GOD Himself create this special relationship and fellowship with sinful man.
Note: God makes promises for HIM to fulfil in Covenant.
Note: Ultimately God (see Hodge) makes HIS OWN BELOVED SON the mediator for this Covenant. A task HE gave to Jesus before the foundation of the world.
Hodge points out Christ is mediator of Covenant ON BEHALF OF ELECT, (Remnant).
GOD began covenant with Adam in the very beginning of creation.
..great shepherd of the sheep, through the BLOOD of the EVERLASTING COVENANT Heb 13:20
You are all over the place and no one can make sense of your rambling nonsense. The COG was with Christ, his people are the beneficiaries, not parties to the covt!
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News Item6/22/13 10:08 AM
Unity and Continuity  Find all comments by Unity and Continuity
Precision wrote:
Rom 9.6 mentions no covenant with the remnant.
Hodge says Christ is the federal head. Where does he say about a covenant directly with the remnant?
Rom 9:6 For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
# Verse teaches TWO peoples in Israel - ONE Remnant. TWO Reprobate. Guess which one God makes the Covenant with. Therefore this demonstrates covenant personal relationship is selective, viz election.

Covenant - Is God making a personal relationship with HIS elect/Remnant.
Gen 17:2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly."
Note: God "MAKES" the covenant.
Note: Between GOD and man (Abraham in this case)
Note: How significant this is to have GOD Himself create this special relationship and fellowship with sinful man.
Note: God makes promises for HIM to fulfil in Covenant.
Note: Ultimately God (see Hodge) makes HIS OWN BELOVED SON the mediator for this Covenant. A task HE gave to Jesus before the foundation of the world.

Hodge points out Christ is mediator of Covenant ON BEHALF OF ELECT, (Remnant).

GOD began covenant with Adam in the very beginning of creation.

..great shepherd of the sheep, through the BLOOD of the EVERLASTING COVENANT Heb 13:20

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News Item6/22/13 9:27 AM
Lapdog  Find all comments by Lapdog
Ya got to be careful with the systematic theologians over the past 400 years. If it (your subject) is not in scripture, you can't jump to what you think are logical conclusions through some sort of mental gymnastics. We must be people of biblical studies. When scripture is silent on a topic then we must be mature enough to be silent and honor God's word.
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