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MONDAY, APR 1, 2013  |  92 comments
New book claims Shroud of Turin from the first century

A professor from the University of Padua has released a new book claiming that the Shroud of Turin—the linen robe in which Jesus was allegedly buried—does actually date back to the time of Christ.

The book is the latest contribution to a centuries-old debate about the origin and function of the cloth. Believers who revere the shroud claim it was used to bury Christ and believe it carries an imprint of His face and body. Meanwhile, skeptics dismiss it as a medieval artistic forgery.


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News Item4/4/13 2:38 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
John U.K., you remember,
.........
from his book "Battle for the Church"
Ah yes, thank you Jim.

A case of money to burn, eh?

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News Item4/4/13 2:18 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
John U.K., you remember,
David Gay wrote:
....
The [Roman Catholic] Bishop of London was bitter, complaining that the word of God in the common language of the people would "infect and contaminate" them... He preached against the translation...the King having decreed that the version must be destroyed by fire, and that all those who kept or read it must be punished....In 1527 the Archbishop...set up a fund, to which the bishops contributed, to buy as many copies as possible and then destroy them by fire....The profits of the merchants, the printers and booksellers now soared, which in turn led to the printing of more and more copies. By this means England was flooded with the New Testament in English....

One of the reasons why Rome had managed to hold Europe in the grip of superstition through the long Dark Ages, was that the common people could not read the Scriptures for themselves. They had to rely on the priests to tell them what the Latin Bible said, even though many priests could not read the Latin. ...Tyndale...gave the people of England the opportunity to read the New Testament for themselves...[and they] seized the opportunity...with both hands.

from his book "Battle for the Church"
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News Item4/4/13 1:45 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
SteveR wrote:
...its 100% accurate.
Of course the Bible is 100% accurate. So why did the RCC keep it under wraps for so long, hiding it from the common man, and misinterpreting it themselves? And then, persecuting our great translating men like Wycliffe and Tyndale? Steve, the entire history of the RCC reads like the script of some horror movie.
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News Item4/4/13 12:30 PM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
John UK wrote:
Ha!
Thank you Steve for putting your flag to the top of the pole.
Huh? I think you are just losing it now

The RCC claims authority from the NT, not the OT. Further, I didnt know I would have to defend the Old Testament on this message board. The OT is essential for understanding the Christian Faith. Christ is found throughout the OT, and unlike your 1689 Baptist Confession, its 100% accurate. The New Covenant of Christ Blood is found throughout the OT

So obvious, even you could notice

Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Jeremiah 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

Jeremiah 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

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News Item4/4/13 11:48 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
SteveR wrote:
"bzzzzz"
Sorry, the horse manure alarm just went off
I doubt anyone(especially a diehard catholic) has ever said that to you JohnUK
Ha!

Thank you Steve for putting your flag to the top of the pole. It makes it much easier to interact when people admit what they are, instead of them employing subterfuge and deception.

I believe that with a membership of over a billion, the Catholic Roman church is Satan's biggest counterfeit, gaining new members by physical birth and a false baptism regeneration. Numbers mean nothing when understood in that light. But the evangelical church relies solely on the success of the gospel message, which success is solely dependent on God's working in men's hearts by his Spirit.

Who does God glorify? Those he justifies!

Who does God justify? Those he calls!

Who does God call? Those he predestinated!

Too humbling for you?

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News Item4/4/13 11:34 AM
Yuk  Find all comments by Yuk
SteveR wrote:
In the case of the NT, everyone should be reading that everyday. Do I really need to tell you that?
It doesnt surprise me that you would need to be told
The name 'yuk' works for you
You really are a silly man.

You were advising Chris about someone who doesn't read the Bible at all, being the good Roman Catholic that she is!

SteveR wrote:
I doubt anyone(especially a diehard catholic) has ever said that to you JohnUK
You're a die hard Romanist and you've said worse!
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News Item4/4/13 11:02 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
John UK wrote:
I just had to go outside for a minute. I've come across a few devils over the years, and they always give the wrong advice to God's people. "Ooooooh, don't be reading about the new covenant in Christ's blood!!! Stick to the OT or the apocrypha."
"bzzzzz"
Sorry, the horse manure alarm just went off

I doubt anyone(especially a diehard catholic) has ever said that to you JohnUK

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News Item4/4/13 10:57 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Yuk wrote:
Yeah, just don't read anything from the NT because then she may just start to understand the gospel and we don't want that because the she'd defect from the RCC!
John UK
Yeah. You smell it too, eh?!
I just had to go outside for a minute. I've come across a few devils over the years, and they always give the wrong advice to God's people. "Ooooooh, don't be reading about the new covenant in Christ's blood!!! Stick to the OT or the apocrypha."
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News Item4/4/13 10:56 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Yuk wrote:
Yeah, just don't read anything from the NT because then she may just start to understand the gospel and we don't want that because the she'd defect from the RCC!
John UK
Yeah. You smell it too, eh?!
In the case of the NT, everyone should be reading that everyday. Do I really need to tell you that?

It doesnt surprise me that you would need to be told

The name 'yuk' works for you

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News Item4/4/13 10:51 AM
Yuk  Find all comments by Yuk
SteveR wrote:
Im glad you have thought about it
It will take some time, perhaps years. I would only suggest go in without an agenda(even a righteous one concerning her error about sodomites). Just sit together & read, or better yet let her relax and read to her.
IMO- I would start with the books of Wisdom(or just Psalms), then the entire OT book by book
Yeah, just don't read anything from the NT because then she may just start to understand the gospel and we don't want that because then she'd defect from the RCC!

John UK

Yeah. You smell it too, eh?!

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News Item4/4/13 10:45 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Christopher000 wrote:
SteveR wrote:
I told her she should not have them as friends, but should rather be speaking to them about the spiritual dangers of their lifestyle. She said she would never do that; that they should live as they please (basically). I blame myself for not fulfilling my responsibility, but I'm also frustrated because I know that no matter what I can prove to her, she's not the type of person to take a stand to speak up and out about anything that may cause conflict. Even if she never did, I would like her to at least realize that this or that is just plain wrong, sinful, or whatever, according to the Bible. She tries to justify a
Im glad you have thought about it

It will take some time, perhaps years. I would only suggest go in without an agenda(even a righteous one concerning her error about sodomites). Just sit together & read, or better yet let her relax and read to her.

IMO- I would start with the books of Wisdom(or just Psalms), then the entire OT book by book

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News Item4/4/13 10:40 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Yuk wrote:
There's a sudden foul smell in this thread!!
You mean a sort of sulphurous, burning odour?
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News Item4/4/13 10:39 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
SteveR wrote:
If you want your wife to submit to you and your choice of Church, you MUST serve her first. Try loving her as Christ loves the Church & spend evenings with the TV off talking. Also read the Bible together...

I agree and this has been on my mind a lot lately. She really knows nothing about the contents of the Bible so she doesn't understand anything spiritual that I ever bring up. I made a comment concerning homosexuality last night, for example, and she asked why I hate them so much, and I said it is the act that I hate because it is anti-God, anti-Bible, etc. She doesn't agree and went on to speak of some friends of hers who are lesbians, etc. I told her she should not have them as friends, but should rather be speaking to them about the spiritual dangers of their lifestyle. She said she would never do that; that they should live as they please (basically). I blame myself for not fulfilling my responsibility, but I'm also frustrated because I know that no matter what I can prove to her, she's not the type of person to take a stand to speak up and out about anything that may cause conflict. Even if she never did, I would like her to at least realize that this or that is just plain wrong, sinful, or whatever, according to the Bible. She tries to justify a

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News Item4/4/13 10:26 AM
Yuk  Find all comments by Yuk
There's a sudden foul smell in this thread!!

Oh, SteveR has been here

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News Item4/4/13 10:20 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Christopher000 wrote:
Hi Dolores...thanks. This has been coming on for a while, and it got to the point that I had to do something to combat it. I tried Celebrex for long enough to know that it wasn't useful. I really hate to take anything, but I may have to try something else and hope it works out better. I'm actually sitting in a room at a Dr's office right now, waiting forever, as usual...ha-ha. I've already snooped through all the drawers...never anything Interesting in them.
Anyway, the prayer means a lot...that's really what I am counting on right now.
Consider getting some toxicology tests done, as some here have poisoned you with their hate & anticatholic insecurities. The false conclusions they have spoonfed you about your wife & inlaws church is enough to drag anyone down.

Seriously though, its their insecurities not yours. If you want your wife to submit to you and your choice of Church, you MUST serve her first. Try loving her as Christ loves the Church & spend evenings with the TV off talking. Also read the Bible together WITHOUT an agenda.

God gave you a fine wife(which puts you way ahead of this crowd), its time you meet that obligation

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News Item4/4/13 10:05 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Hi Dolores...thanks. This has been coming on for a while, and it got to the point that I had to do something to combat it. I tried Celebrex for long enough to know that it wasn't useful. I really hate to take anything, but I may have to try something else and hope it works out better. I'm actually sitting in a room at a Dr's office right now, waiting forever, as usual...ha-ha. I've already snooped through all the drawers...never anything Interesting in them.
Anyway, the prayer means a lot...that's really what I am counting on right now.
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News Item4/3/13 11:59 PM
Dolores L. | Texas  Find all comments by Dolores L.
This is for you Christopher..I have been where u are now. I am a christian and this is nothing to be ashamed of.. it is a chemical imbalance in your brain and there is medication for this which I've been for years. I'm on it now but only 1/2 of the dose i was taking and I feel great!! If you were a diabetic would u take insulin? Depression is as deadly as diabetis without medication. Please find a dr. To help you with this!! God gave us these medicines to help us to live a better life and only then can we let our light shine...I will be praying for you..get help, please.
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News Item4/3/13 8:59 AM
Helps | UK  Find all comments by Helps
Christopher000 wrote:
Some sort of severe depression that has been getting worse and worse for months now without a break.
From a fellow depressive:

SOME HELP ON DEPRESSION

Hope this helps.

Oh BTW read the article from where the author starts dealing with 'Melancholy' (old fashioned name for depression!)

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News Item4/3/13 7:47 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
No need to respond, but thanks for any continued prayer. I know we all have our own things going on and would never even consider asking anyone if I didn't have anywhere else to turn. I don't care to bother anyone but I believe
that real, tangible things begin happening the moment people begin praying, as opposed to some boring, non-effectual ritual.
Please don't respond because I am uncomfortable enough having to ask. Some sort of severe depression that has been getting worse and worse for months now without a break. Hopelessness, lifelessness, feeling of that sort and it's been horrible. From the time I wake uo, I look forward to just going back to sleep that night. I don't know what's going on but wanted to describe it a bit to kind of personalize any prayers.
Thanks. This is embarassing.
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News Item4/2/13 6:47 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
Hey brother! I am enjoying your exchanges. You and I don't mind saying we are "saints", but that is somewhat offensive to those who are RC sympathizers. The saints in their world are manmade or should I say made by Satan. The battle is the one before us and we don't pick and choose; the battles choose us. The RCC is Satan's church and it is becoming more and more accepted by those outside the true church and unfortunately by many who are in the true church. We need to stay strong in this climate of tolerance for those things that shouldn't be tolerated.
Yes, life is a mountain and I am afraid of heights, so I'm not all that sure how well my climb is going. I will find out one day.
Hope all is going well with you. Just took a 4 day trip to see a sick relative with Ovarian cancer, but the doctor's report was "excellent". Thank God!
Amen, amen, and amen!

If it helps any, I avoid even going up a short ladder nowadays.

Climate of toleration? Yes, it is, and we need to be on our guard against being taken in by the wretched ecumenists, most of whom are only nominal Christians. We fight the fight and keep the faith of Jesus.

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