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THURSDAY, MAR 28, 2013  |  43 comments  |  2 commentaries
Rush: Churches could be forced to marry gays

If the U.S. Supreme Court legalizes same-sex marriages across America, then churches could be forced to perform homosexual weddings, even if they oppose the idea on religious grounds.

That’s according to radio host Rush Limbaugh, who thinks there’s a good chance of it happening.

“The Catholic Church can be forced to give away abortifacients and birth-control pills. Why can’t the Church be forced to marry gay couples who want the sacrament? Any church,” Limbaugh said on his top-rated program Wednesday afternoon.

“I think it’s a pretty safe bet that that kind of thing will happen. Among militant leftists, attacking organized religion is part of the political agenda, whether gay or not.” ...


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News Item3/29/13 12:18 PM
Open reach  Find all comments by Open reach
SteveR wrote:
{ahem}
The burden of proof belongs to you

Im not restricting God from saving his Elect under ANY circumstances.

I did wonder how long the civility would last, and I was not disappointed!

Actually you are the one who came on these forums proclaiming a wondrous "new truth". So the burden is very much on you to prove your claims.

Sure, try and broaden the way because you find it too narrow. God will save his elect BUT by means.

God could work in any way he chooses. BUT, the big problem you have is that he has told us exactly how he chooses to work - the foolishness of preaching, and specifically doctrines that are called "the gospel".

Just a tiny detail, but a BIG FLY in your ointment.

These exchanges are useful to discover exactly how tenuous your hold is of biblical revelation and how in reality you loathe the teachings of the bible.

Your poor imitation of Protestanism is as thin as India paper and guess what? We can all see right through you!

You are but a devil come as an angel of light. May the Lord rebuke you and lay waste all your dastardly plans. So will my prayer be every time I see your name.

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News Item3/29/13 11:27 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
SteveR wrote:
I have answered you, you just cant see it. Romanism doesnt save it never has, SBCism doesnt save PCAism doesnt save, ONLY God can save. By Faith God can save whomever whenever he wishes, whether he is a Catholic, thief on a Cross or a Reformed Seminary PHD
Thanks for your reply to my question from the other thread.

I agree with your reply as written, however, God uses means to save. From your exchange with "Open reach" I gather you are admitting that God's means to salvation are only present in the RCC teachings (your allusion, not mine, btw) if one remains ignorant to, or rejects the unscriptural parts of their teachings such as baptismal regeneration in the Nicene creed, justification by faith plus works and prevenient grace innate to all mankind. Kind of like JY's smorgasbord approach to his version of Christianity. And this can go on for a lifetime for a member of the RCC, with no pricks of the heart and be pleasing to God.... well done thy good and faithful servant? Do you suppose this is how God intended church?

Anyway, I'm going to defer to "Open reach". Have a blessed day.

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News Item3/29/13 11:23 AM
SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
Open reach wrote:
Keep going. I already have lots of questions from what you have produced so far, but I will come back to these.
After this exercise, the next problem you have to address from the verses you quoted from Corinthians, is that the Lord specifically says that he chose the ****foolishness of preaching to save**** viz. the preaching of the gospel.
So where do you find the preachers in the RCC who preach the gospel?
We'll come back to this too a little later.
{ahem}
The burden of proof belongs to you not me, as Im not restricting God from saving his Elect under ANY circumstances.

You behave as a jealous pharisee or devil, accusing Gods Elect day & night looking for some reason that they should not be saved.

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News Item3/29/13 11:14 AM
Open reach  Find all comments by Open reach
SteveR wrote:
Some parts of their Catechism
457 The Word became flesh for us in order to save us by reconciling us with God, who “loved us and sent his Son to be the expiation for our sins”: “the Father has sent his Son as the Savior of the world,” and “he was revealed to take away sins...
Keep going. I already have lots of questions from what you have produced so far, but I will come back to these.

After this exercise, the next problem you have to address from the verses you quoted from Corinthians, is that the Lord specifically says that he chose the ****foolishness of preaching to save**** viz. the preaching of the gospel.

So where do you find the preachers in the RCC who preach the gospel?

We'll come back to this too a little later.

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News Item3/29/13 10:51 AM
SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
Open reach wrote:
Okay, demonstrate how the gospel can be and is understood in the RCC from these means?
Let's see you reproduce anything akin to the gospel from these documents.
Some parts of their Catechism

457 The Word became flesh for us in order to save us by reconciling us with God, who “loved us and sent his Son to be the expiation for our sins”: “the Father has sent his Son as the Savior of the world,” and “he was revealed to take away sins

&

601 The Scriptures had foretold this divine plan of salvation through the putting to death of “the righteous one, my Servant” as a mystery of universal redemption, that is, as the ransom that would free men from the slavery of sin.397 Citing a confession of faith that he himself had “received,” St. Paul professes that “Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures.”398 In particular Jesus’ redemptive death fulfills Isaiah’s prophecy of the suffering Servant.399 Indeed Jesus himself explained the meaning of his life and death in the light of God’s suffering Servant."

Again, its NOT required they understand all these things. However, God can reach their hearts through these themes together with Scripture readings(Yes, they read Scripture every Sunday at Mass).

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News Item3/29/13 10:27 AM
Open reach  Find all comments by Open reach
SteveR wrote:
Nicene Creed, Lords Prayer & Apostles Creed for starters, not to mention I actually like some of their answers in their Catechism
Okay, demonstrate how the gospel can be and is understood in the RCC from these means?

Let's see you reproduce anything akin to the gospel from these documents.

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News Item3/29/13 10:22 AM
SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
Open reach wrote:
I accept that the Lord uses means, but by the very verses you quote the doctrine of the cross work of Christ is essential to the gospel. There are other verses in the NT which bring in other elements also.
So let's try again, where in Romanism do you find a biblical explanation of the cross work of Christ or the other consitituent elements of the gospel that could be used as a means to salvation?
However you try to argue this, the Lord uses the gospel to save, and 'the gospel" is a body of doctrine!
Where in the RCC can one find this gospel?
Nicene Creed, Lords Prayer & Apostles Creed for starters, not to mention I actually like some of their answers in their Catechism

(Example a snippet from their catechism)
To believe in Jesus Christ, the Son of God

151 For a Christian, believing in God cannot be separated from believing in the One he sent, his “beloved Son,” in whom the Father is “well pleased”; God tells us to listen to him.18 The Lord himself said to his disciples: “Believe in God, believe also in me.”19 We can believe in Jesus Christ because he is himself God, the Word made flesh: “No one has ever seen God; the only Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made him known.”...cont...

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News Item3/29/13 10:12 AM
Open reach  Find all comments by Open reach
SteveR wrote:
Im not evading the question, you cant understand the answer. I was DEAD, no piece of information acknowledged can save a dead man. The LORD quickened me by HIS WORD, and now IM alive.
While the LORD in his wisdom used the Gospel to save me, it wasnt necessary for me to completely understand it to be filled with HIS Spirit.
1 Corinthians 1:18 etc.
I accept that the Lord uses the means of the gospel but by the very verses you quote the doctrine of the cross work of Christ is essential to the gospel. There are other verses in the NT which bring in other elements also.

So let's try again, where in Romanism do you find a biblical explanation of the cross work of Christ or the other consitituent elements of the gospel that could be used as a means to salvation?

However you try to argue this, the Lord uses the gospel to save, and 'the gospel" is a body of doctrine!

Where in the RCC can one find this gospel?

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News Item3/29/13 9:59 AM
SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
Open reach wrote:
Stop evading the question!
Whether you have this precious faith is open to question!
But assuming you are saved, did you get saved in a vacuum of knowledge? If not and you believe that the gospel has to be known and believed in order for anyone to be saved, I ask again where does a Romanist turn to in the RCC for such help?
Im not evading the question, you cant understand the answer. I was DEAD, no piece of information acknowledged can save a dead man. The LORD quickened me by HIS WORD, and now IM alive.

While the LORD in his wisdom used the Gospel to save me, it wasnt necessary for me to completely understand it to be filled with HIS Spirit.

1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God... 1 Corinthians 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe...
1 Corinthians 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
Amen

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News Item3/29/13 9:48 AM
Open reach  Find all comments by Open reach
SteveR wrote:
There isnt a soteriology pop quiz on judgment day, nor one on the 5 SOLAs. The Elect are saved by GRACE alone through Faith. The same precious Faith I have been given can be found in Reformed, Apostolic & even in Evangelical Mega Churches.
Stop evading the question!

Whether you have this precious faith is open to question!

Why did you stop at faith? Why not faith 'alone'? Is this to accommodate your RCC leanings?

Assuming you are saved, did you get saved in a vacuum of knowledge? If not and you believe that the gospel has to be known and believed in order for anyone to be saved, I ask again where does a Romanist turn to in the RCC for such help? The evangelical Romanists?!

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News Item3/29/13 9:37 AM
SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
Open reach wrote:
Nice side step.
Okay let's ask the question in a different form.
Do you believe that justification is through grace alone by faith alone through the merits of Christ alone? If so, what truths does Romanism teach that is capable of converting any soul, assuming that you believe what the Bible teaches, that there is a body of doctrine known as the 'gospel' which has to be believed to be saved? This body of doctrine includes facts like our alienation from God, the sinfulness of sin, the wrath of God, the need for an atonement, the substitutionary nature of this atonement, what conversion is, what faith is it that leads to this radical change of nature etc.
Where does one find help on such issues in Romanism? Or do you believe people get saved in a vacuum?
There isnt a soteriology pop quiz on judgment day, nor one on the 5 SOLAs. The Elect are saved by GRACE alone through Faith. The same precious Faith I have been given can be found in Reformed, Apostolic & even in Evangelical Mega Churches.
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News Item3/29/13 9:26 AM
Open reach  Find all comments by Open reach
SteveR wrote:
I have answered you, you just cant see it. Romanism doesnt save it never has, SBCism doesnt save ...
Nice side step.

Okay let's ask the question in a different form.

Do you believe that justification is by grace alone through faith alone by the merits of Christ alone? If so, what truths does Romanism teach that is capable of converting any soul, assuming that you believe what the Bible teaches, that there is a body of doctrine known as the 'gospel' which has to be believed to be saved? This body of doctrine includes facts like our alienation from God, the sinfulness of sin, the wrath of God, the need for an atonement, the substitutionary nature of this atonement, what conversion is, what faith is it that leads to this radical change of nature etc.

Where does one find help on such issues in Romanism? Or do you believe people get saved in a vacuum?

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News Item3/29/13 9:10 AM
SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
Rufus wrote:
I'm uncertain of the context of what you are answering. I concur with everything you've stated above and we're agreed on folks needing to take a stand on the 501c3 issue. God bless.
My mistake, probably the caffiene, that was a reply to 'lurker.'
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News Item3/29/13 9:05 AM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameContact via emailFind all comments by Rufus
SteveR wrote:
...
Rufus,
I have answered you, you just cant see it. Romanism doesnt save it never has, SBCism doesnt save PCAism doesnt save, ONLY God can save. By Faith God can save whomever whenever he wishes, whether he is a Catholic, thief on a Cross or a Reformed Seminary PHD
I'm uncertain of the context of what you are answering. I concur with everything you've stated above and we're agreed on folks needing to take a stand on the 501c3 issue. God bless.
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News Item3/29/13 8:03 AM
SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
jpw wrote:
SteveR -- the true parent was willing ...., not the Babylonian spirit. Hope this makes sense.
My surprise was your use of the term 'solomon test' in this subject of of Biblical Marriage. Solomon was turned away from God as a result of his polygamy and his Kingdom DIVIDED(See the foreshadow in divided?) into Israel & Judah after his passing.

1 Kings 11:6 And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, ...11:8 And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods. 1 Kings 11:9 And the LORD was angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned from the LORD God of Israel, which had appeared unto him twice,
... 1 Kings 11:11 Wherefore the LORD said unto Solomon,...I will surely rend the kingdom from thee, and will give it to thy servant.
1 Kings 11:12 Notwithstanding in thy days I will not do it for David thy father's sake: but I will rend it out of the hand of thy son.
Todays Church HAS followed Solomon

Rufus,
I have answered you, you just cant see it. Romanism doesnt save it never has, SBCism doesnt save PCAism doesnt save, ONLY God can save. By Faith God can save whomever whenever he wishes, whether he is a Catholic, thief on a Cross or a Reformed Seminary PHD

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News Item3/29/13 7:10 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
As usual, your unintelligence precedes you. Please get your grammar and punctuation together so I don't have to work so hard to make sense out of your incessently low level posts.
Give it a try. Oh, and once again, please post up some facts to validate your many claims that we are liars and deceivers. Can you do that before you go watch cartoons? Thanks.
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News Item3/28/13 11:49 PM
Fertileimaginations  Find all comments by Fertileimaginations
HI pilgrim. Have you ever wondered whether feeding fertile imaginations as what appears to happen on this site - is of the HOLY SPIRIT?

The loaded extremely trivial theological questions posted by your friends really gives you all away as lacking Spirit.

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News Item3/28/13 11:47 PM
Mr b  Find all comments by Mr b
Hopefully churches ban together as one and stand up and defy instead of bowing down to Alfred e obama and company.
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News Item3/28/13 8:30 PM
joe lee | usa  Find all comments by joe lee
Church and state can be separate. Christ and State can never be separated.
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News Item3/28/13 8:04 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
jpw wrote:
SteveR -- the true parent was willing to lose the baby rather than have Solomon divide him up between the two "mothers".
the true leader (parent in the illustration) of Christ would rather lose their institution or position of power than to affront the gospel they have been entrusted with.
the false prophet would save the institution or power even if at the expense or compromise of the gospel.
we want to see our institutions flourish but not at the expense of the gospel and by the Holy Spirit, not the Babylonian spirit. Hope this makes sense.
JPW, perfectly said!
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