NH Sheriff Candidate Would Use Deadly Force To Stop Abortions
A man running for sheriff in New Hampshire says if he is elected, he will arrest anyone involved in an abortion in his county.
Frank Szabo set off a firestorm with the comments. People on all sides of the political spectrum have condemned the statements, but Szabo stands by them. He says it‚Äôs the sheriff‚Äôs job to protect every citizen ‚Äď even the unborn.
I'm really astounded by some of these comments. Angela appears to be one of few commentator's who has a rational and biblical argument.
Now some food for thought....
Scenario: The local sheriff's office receives a distressing call. A man has has just slaughtered his wife. This knife wielding man, now intends to kill his three kids. When the sheriff arives, he yells: "Put down the knife". The man slits the throat of his youngest child. Again, the sheriff yells: "put down the knife". The man proceeds to take the life of his second child. Finally, the sheriff yells: "I'm telling you, put down your knife!". Again, the man ignores the order, and the third child is killed. Finally, the sheriff says: "Oh well, God will take care of him one day". "Who am I to judge?" "These kids lived a life of poverty; it was hell on earth, they are now in a better place". "Now maybe this guy will get into treatment and get the help he needs?
This is ludicrous you say? He should've shot him dead, after he put the knife to the first child's throat. All three children would be alive if the sheriff had acted with deadly force.
The REAL issue at hand: "Countless professing Christian's in America, still don't believe unborn children in the womb deserve the same protection of those born.
anyone can easily do a search and come up with a list of products that we commonly use (put in our bodies) that either have aborted fetal cell lines IN them or fetal cells used to develop the products.
and yet will this settle into our minds or blow away in the wind?
Frank wrote: If this fellow truly believes that abortion is murder, then he shouldn't be willing to take an oath that says he will support and defend the constitutions of his state and the federal government that makes abortions legal.
Frank Taking an oath to uphold, support and defend the 'Constitution' would be different than being chained to a perversion of the Constitution by, let's call them 'legal genuises.'
And if this man was elected by voters knowing his stance to defend life however old, he shouldn't have to apologize for a conviction to protect the citizens of his county, and the day may come when many in this country would wish they had a sherif that would not turn them over into the hands of whatever one world government system will be in the these days before the return of Jesus Christ.
Think about this could Jesus say to some, 'I was in the womb and you protected me or you escorted my mother to the clinc where she had me ripped out of the land of the living before I could even be born?'
Father, please help us to understand and lead us in the doing of your will in the matter of this horrific sin that goes on in our country.
Barry from KY wrote: Guys I'm not pro-abortion. However, you act like there is a sheriff that shoots an abortion doctor every day in america. It can't be handled in this manner. It has never stopped abortion before and it won't stop it now. If a sheriff or posse' or whoever killed 100 abortion providers there would be someone to step in and take over. If you over turn Roe v. Wade. there will still be abortions. You have to change the culture and right now they are winning. Heck while we are at it let's start shooting at homosexuals too because I'm sure that's what God wants us to do. And we all know that that would stop homosexuality. or would it???
We're shifting premises here but, they are not winning and there are not long lines of "Doctors" wanting to be abortionists. They are losing this battle as a result of a lack of access to abortion facilities and butchers willing to perform abortions and actions like the state of Texas discontinuing the funding of this mess.
I'm not advocating for the destruction of 100 abortionists but if 100 were wiped out, the devil would be hard pressed to replace them quickly. See a pamphlet called 'ACCESS - Abortion pro-life battle plan' by Life Dynamics.
Guys I'm not pro-abortion. However, you act like there is a sheriff that shoots an abortion doctor every day in america. It can't be handled in this manner. It has never stopped abortion before and it won't stop it now. If a sheriff or posse' or whoever killed 100 abortion providers there would be someone to step in and take over. If you over turn Roe v. Wade. there will still be abortions. You have to change the culture and right now they are winning. Heck while we are at it let's start shooting at homosexuals too because I'm sure that's what God wants us to do. And we all know that that would stop homosexuality.
Barry from Ky wrote: ...Just because you are law enforcement doesn't give you the right to gun down anyone. ...
I do not see where the candidate is advocating for "gunning people down" save for, just as in any other enforcement action, as a last resort to protect innocent life.
The article quotes him as saying "he would arrest anyone performing an abortion." This is a noble position for a candidate for Sheriff.
The article continues... "He took it a step further when asked how far he‚Äôd go to stop one.
‚ÄúDeadly force is the last thing law enforcement should be using, if a citizen‚Äôs life is in danger they should be protected,‚ÄĚ says Szabo. ‚ÄúIf there is no other choice, that‚Äôs what‚Äôs needed to protect the citizen.‚ÄĚ
These are desired traits of a Sheriff. If the people in his county decide that murder is wrong and they want children to be defended against murderers, it is the obligation of the Sheriff to perform that duty. If he says to the butcher (to use Ms. Wittman's right term) 'do not murder' and the butcher disobeys and proceeds to take actions towards murder then it is well within the bounds of the officer to intervene physically up to and include the use of deadly force as the "last thing" or when there is "no other choice".
aren't the sheriff and the court system local and state technically and in american tradition in charge of dealing with criminal offenses such as murder?
and isn't this exactly what you might want from a sheriff -- one that will keep jurisdictio in tact (in a day when they are being dismantled quickly and dramatically) and serve the citizens, protecting them from crimes, verses serving a system and protecting it from its citizens?
possibly basic cohn 101. its like telling the difference between a real $20 dollar bill and a fake.
this would go along the lines of Ron Paul who wanted to end fehd jursidiction (Roe v Wade) of abortion to state, where it would fit right back into criminal code-- where debates and discussions could be held locally where the impact would be. Rep party didn't want it.
Ms. Wittman, I don't believe anyone here is supporting abortion, far from it. Just because you are law enforcement doesn't give you the right to gun down anyone. Is abortion leagal in N.H. I'm not sure. Just because we think it's a travesty and murder doesn't change the law of the land. Sheriff or no you can't go gunning anyone down. I believe he is advocating violence. And, I'm sure by now he has already lost the election, even before it was held.
Let's not muddy the waters... The candidate for sherrif is not advocating violence. He was saying that as a civil magistrate with the God-given and Constitutional duty to interpose between the butcher and the baby, he would do so and with deadly force if need be. Isn't this something law enforcement has a duty and legal right to do? Now, if it were a banker saying he would use deadly force to prevent the murder of a preborn child, y'all could use the vengeance belongs to the Lord argument against the banker's plan of action. But if it is a civil magistrate who has been elected by the people to defend and protect the innocent, you have no Biblical grounds to argue the law enforcement officer cannot do his duty... Unless you think the preborn child isn't really human.
mjg fayetteville wrote: I don't really know where I stand on the issue of using violence to end abortion ,but the story always comes to my mind of how mad Christ was just for poeple taking some money off of the top for themselves in the temple. I can not imagine Jesus idly sitting by if He saw children being slaughtered. Just some food for thought.
I understand your thoughts, but there are no more religous courts to decide these things. During the Old Testament period, they had the death sentence for many things, but before someone could "kill" someone legally it would have had to be judicially decided. No such thing today. When the Jewish temple was destroyed and we were told to go into all the world, religious courts were done away with.
But, I do understand and appreciate your thoughts!
I don't really know where I stand on the issue of using violence to end abortion ,but the story always comes to my mind of how mad Christ was just for poeple taking some money off of the top for themselves in the temple. I can not imagine Jesus idly sitting by if He saw children being slaughtered. Just some food for thought.
Well Rufus, we will just have to disagree on this subject. I don't think the sheriff or any other local, state or federal official can shoot and kill an abortion provider. I hate abortion as much as you. I don't think it should be the law of the land. I don't think that we can or should start shooting at our local abortion clinics.
In Kentucky the coroner is the only official that can arrest a sheriff. I'm not sure how that figures into this discussion, it just seems weird to me.
If you follow this campaign i'm sure you will find this 'gentleman' will lose...
Barry from Ky wrote: A collective military action from a government would be different from you or me taking a gun and going around killing abortion providers. We wouldn't be under authority.
A Sheriff would have authority to take these actions. The federal government has no authority in a county save for that which the county sheriff allows. The Sheriff has legal authority to bounce federal or any other foreign agents from his county. Therefore, if he decided that it is wrong to murder babies and he was going to serve those babies in the defense of their lives, he would have the full legal and Godly authority to do this. If the people of his county decided he performed his duties poorly, they could recall or elect someone else. It is only through public education and television that we have been programmed to believe federal authority trumps local authority in local matters. My compliments to this candidate for almost having a spine.
Barry from Ky wrote: Hey Frank, I'll be praying for you guys as Issac approaches. I, too totally agree with Ms. Wittman, she is spot on about scripture. Add to that the strongest weapon that the Christian has is fervent prayer. I think there should be more of that going on from the Christians in the U.S. Maybe, had we done that and not dabbled in politics, abortion and homosexuality would be non-issues in America.
What a nice brother to offer to pray for us. Thanks and I will say a prayer for you tonight as well. I often pray for people who post here, but they don't know I am doing it. But, the Lord does!
Hey Frank, I'll be praying for you guys as Issac approaches. I, too totally agree with Ms. Wittman, she is spot on about scripture. Add to that the strongest weapon that the Christian has is fervent prayer. I think there should be more of that going on from the Christians in the U.S. Maybe, had we done that and not dabbled in politics, abortion and homosexuality would be non-issues in America.