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Choice News SUNDAY, SEP 18, 2011  |  8 comments  |  2 commentaries
Bring back the cane to improve pupil discipline, say parents
Some 49 per cent of mothers and fathers are in favour of corporal punishment to crack down on the worst offenders, it was revealed.

The vast majority of parents also want greater use of other back-to-basics discipline measures including detention, expulsion and forcing badly behaved children to write lines.

Even a fifth of secondary school pupils themselves support the reintroduction of caning or smacking.


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RP  Find all comments by RP
Rufus wrote:
..However, before a father were to delegate the authority of training to one of these parties, it seems to me it would be necessary for the father to know the tutor and to be aligned with this person in matters of faith and doctrine. It would be foolhardy for the father to train up the child one way and then give him over to an authority who possesses antagonist beliefs. The public class rooms of Britain and her daughters (U.S., Canada, Australia et al) are antichrist by their own admission. Thus, a Christian parent delegating educational authority to these institutions seems to me to be folly. It would be likewise folly to give these persons authority of corporal discipline in light of their ungodly system and potential for misuse/abuse.
I agree with the necessity of unity in faith and doctrine between local Churches in order to act together in harmony and purpose on any issue that concerns vital Christianity and that is also necessary, as regards the Civil sphere. How do you define what you believe regarding faith and doctrine to an honest inquirer?
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News Item9/20/11 3:01 PM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameFind all comments by Rufus
RP wrote:
... But do you think the only and if there is another qualified for so doing what would make them so qualified? In higher education for example when and if indicated for certain children can it always be the parents? ...
In Galatians 4, there is a reference to the son being under tutors and governors and I would presume it would be necessary for the father to delegate disciplinary authority to the tutor or governor. However, before a father were to delegate the authority of training to one of these parties, it seems to me it would be necessary for the father to know the tutor and to be aligned with this person in matters of faith and doctrine. It would be foolhardy for the father to train up the child one way and then give him over to an authority who possesses antagonist beliefs. The public class rooms of Britain and her daughters (U.S., Canada, Australia et al) are antichrist by their own admission. Thus, a Christian parent delegating educational authority to these institutions seems to me to be folly. It would be likewise folly to give these persons authority of corporal discipline in light of their ungodly system and potential for misuse/abuse.
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News Item9/20/11 2:15 PM
RP  Find all comments by RP
Bell5 wrote:
Doesn't sound like a government near you today does it?
Lacking God's providence these "authorities" have no power.
Bell5,I have a question for you. I'm just trying to understand what you believe or understand the Scripture to teach here. Do you believe that God has two wills preceptive and providencial? Deut. 29:29 Something like, if A doesn't work, then B?

Rufus, what you stated made me think that God has given parents the use of the rod, the Church the use of the Word in applying discipline to all its members including elders and the magistrate the power of the sword. You obviously think the family should be the chief educator of their children. But do you think the only and if there is another qualified for so doing what would make them so qualified? In higher education for example when and if indicated for certain children can it always be the parents? I grant anyone at this time in history that is protective of their off spring might want to only trust themselves, but these are perilous times for youth in fact all the seed of the true church especially Christian parents, who are themselves under attack.

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News Item9/20/11 1:32 PM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameFind all comments by Rufus
Bell5 wrote:
God agrees with chastening.
Prov 13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.
Prov 19:18 Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare for his crying.
However HE will disagree with some of the so called education subjects in schools today. Perhaps it is too late to bring back discipline since it only works under divine authority.
Good & true verses & God does agree with chastening. A next question should be, who does the chastening? I would note that the one exercising the discipline is the father and the training up of a child is within the realm of the parents. So, while the question in the article is around, "should corporal discipline be used in the classroom", I think the question ought to be whether or not we should have classrooms to begin with.
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News Item9/20/11 12:49 PM
Bell5  Find all comments by Bell5
RP wrote:
I agree, but with some qualification. I think it would be fair to say HE has disagreed with Humanism and the attacks against His Divine Authority by false prophets that have had input or direct involvement in the education system for over 1200 years, with several periods of reprieve for the Father's little flock. However their King, who is the God of the whole earth is not unaware and has not finished with His Story. Psalm 2
It's not over until Christ returns.
Dark, Yes, but not over for God's people. We are still here, there is still work to be done. Prayer is a work too
I was thinking of "authority" as institutions in society, and the long term effect especially here on the kids. "Bringing back the cane" seems in todays schools like a small patch on a very large rip in a society gone "Liberal" everywhere else.

E.G. Justice is no longer justice. (In UK anyway).
Moral standards no longer standards.
Marriage no longer marriage.
Then of course if we read Roman 13, "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God."
Doesn't sound like a government near you today does it?
Lacking God's providence these "authorities" have no power.

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News Item9/20/11 12:06 PM
RP  Find all comments by RP
Bell5 wrote:
However HE will disagree with some of the so called education subjects in schools today. Perhaps it is too late to bring back discipline since it only works under divine authority.
I agree, but with some qualification. I think it would be fair to say HE has disagreed with Humanism and the attacks against His Divine Authority by false prophets that have had input or direct involvement in the education system for over 1200 years, with several periods of reprieve for the Father's little flock. However their King, who is the God of the whole earth is not unaware and has not finished with His Story. Psalm 2
It's not over until Christ returns.
Dark, Yes, but not over for God's people. We are still here, there is still work to be done. Prayer is a work too. I was struck by the words of the banished minister Donald Cargill when he said he was sure God didn't send him to another nation (the Netherlands) just to live and lurk.
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News Item9/20/11 11:26 AM
San Jose John | San Jose, CA  Find all comments by San Jose John
My grandfather was a teacher in rural Illinois back in the 1920s, and his superintendent urged him to "really lay the wood (paddle) on them (the students)" if they even started to misbehave. That generation of kids grew up to become the so-called "greatest generation" by many people these days. Current generations could learn a lot more from previous ones as long as they don't automatically presume them to be less "enlightened".
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News Item9/18/11 1:03 PM
Bell5  Find all comments by Bell5
God agrees with chastening.

Prov 13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

Prov 19:18 Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare for his crying.

However HE will disagree with some of the so called education subjects in schools today. Perhaps it is too late to bring back discipline since it only works under divine authority.

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