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MONDAY, MAR 10, 2008  |  17 comments
Southern Baptists Back a Shift on Climate Change
Signaling a significant departure from the Southern Baptist Convention’s official stance on global warming, 44 Southern Baptist leaders have decided to back a declaration calling for more action on climate change, saying its previous position on the issue was “too timid.”

The largest denomination in the United States after the Roman Catholic Church, the Southern Baptist Convention, with more than 16 million members, is politically and theologically conservative.

Yet its current president, the Rev. Frank Page, signed the initiative, “A Southern Baptist Declaration on the Environment and Climate Change.” Two past presidents of the convention, the Rev. Jack Graham and the Rev. James Merritt, also signed. ...


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News Item3/14/08 2:48 PM
James | Canada  Find all comments by James
It is time for Southern Baptists to get back to the mission of the church.

"Go ye into all the world and preach the Gospel"

It is becoming more and more apparent that the focus of the Southern Baptists is being detoured from the purpose of the church. Just remember God created this universe and in HIS time He will destroy it.

From Canada, my message to the Baptists is to get back to the business of preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ today---redeem the time--- Your focus should be on Christ and Him alone.

All these radical global warming enthusiasts are a tax collectors dream while the 3rd world countries pollute to their heart's content at Americas expense.

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News Item3/12/08 1:53 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
33k wrote:
By definition they are, yes, rival political ideologies along with all other political ideologies.
There are some similarities between Communism and Nazism, probably something to do with the nature of man and the fall.
Agreed. The effects of power in the hands of the corrupt. But the rivalry is one of "who's top dog." The difference between Nazi and Communist theory is greater than the difference in their practices. I have often wondered why these criminal gangs are/were given credibility by granting them a political entity label. It's a bit like calling pirates, seafaring adventurers.

Not sure what all this has to do with climate change, but thinking about Nazi and Communist barbarians does raise my temperature, so maybe there is a connection there.

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News Item3/12/08 1:29 PM
The Emperor is naked. | San Diego  Find all comments by The Emperor is naked.
There may be something to say about Global Warming but the man-made element and govt. control is bogus.
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News Item3/12/08 1:21 PM
33k  Find all comments by 33k
Neil wrote:
Since Hitler & Franco, fascists have *always* distanced themselves from Communists - rival parties need not be polar opposites, just as Bolsheviks hated the Mensheviks & Socialist Revolutionaries.
My impression of neo-Nazis is that they're more interested in Nazi racial dogma than anything else. It is American pseudo-Christian Kinists that give the greatest credulity to the "right-wing" label (which in any case, has been technically meaningless since the Fr. Revolution).
By definition they are, yes, rival political ideologies along with all other political ideologies.

There are some similarities between Communism and Nazism, probably something to do with the nature of man and the fall.

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News Item3/12/08 1:00 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Since Hitler & Franco, fascists have *always* distanced themselves from Communists - rival parties need not be polar opposites, just as Bolsheviks brutally persecuted the Mensheviks & Socialist Revolutionaries, as well as reactionary Whites.

My impression of neo-Nazis is that they're more interested in Nazi racial dogma than its economic organization. It is American pseudo-Christian Kinists who give the greatest credulity to the "right-wing" label (which in any case, has been technically meaningless since the Fr. Revolution). I would call them "libertarian racists."

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News Item3/12/08 12:41 PM
33k  Find all comments by 33k
Anecdotally, modern self-confessed Nazi's seem to do a very good job of distancing themselves from communists ...... and a very good job of claiming right wing credentials.

Mike - Yes, you have said that before. I don't know how true it is either. But if it was true, and your original source was based upon reliable and verifiable historical records I'm sure it is easily proven.

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News Item3/12/08 12:04 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John wrote:
I'll have to think about it too, since your comment reminds me that I had
not considered the vast spirit-world (angels, Satan, etc.), which are also
created by God, when I made my previous comment.
It's fun to know that you and I definitely have some similar interests,
(history, war, technology). I can tell you're at least as informed on
these subjects as I am, which is also fun because I can learn more while
sharing what I can.
I too was led to believe that the Nazi regime was some kind of "right-wing"
capitalist orgainization in every respect--mostly by those needing some
kind of negative contrast to promote their own liberal ideas, I suppose.
Some years ago, I read from a now forgotten souce, that the term "right-wing" may have been invented by left wing international socialists so as to distance themselves from another version of what is effectively the same thing. Don't know how true it is, but "Nazi" being a contraction for National Socialist, it wouldn't surprise me. Frankly, it doesn't matter to me if the socialist is national or international, wears a suit or a military uniform, he is still an enemy of liberty, for controlling others is what he does.
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News Item3/12/08 12:02 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
John, I enjoy exchanging thoughts with you too.

I don't know how one could determine, even according to empirical methods, whether the cosmos is infinite or not, so perhaps it's a moot point.

The idea that "fascist" is "right-wing" probably came from Stalin, who used the term, along with "capitalist," to demonize everything & everyone he didn't like. His Western disciples thereafter borrowed this tacit connection (perhaps at his direction). It is therefore difficult to use this word in the dry technical sense anymore.

"Nazi" is a contraction of "National Socialist German Worker's Party", or NSDAP in German. Hitler & his friends meant every word. The Germans are still pedantic about politics.

Refs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist
www.mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=507

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News Item3/12/08 11:38 AM
John | San Jose, CA  Find all comments by John
Neil wrote:
John, must a created thing be spatially limited? I'll have to think about that.
I'll have to think about it too, since your comment reminds me that I had
not considered the vast spirit-world (angels, Satan, etc.), which are also
created by God, when I made my previous comment.

It's fun to know that you and I definitely have some similar interests,
(history, war, technology). I can tell you're at least as informed on
these subjects as I am, which is also fun because I can learn more while
sharing what I can.

I too was led to believe that the Nazi regime was some kind of "right-wing"
capitalist orgainization in every respect--mostly by those needing some
kind of negative contrast to promote their own liberal ideas, I suppose.

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News Item3/11/08 1:38 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
John, must a created thing be spatially limited? I'll have to think about that. Good points though.

I suppose you are the only other person here aware of the Porsche Tiger Could anyone infer the same designer by looking at it vs. the Bug? BTW, there is some evidence Ferdinand Porsche was not a committed Nazi despite being a favorite of Hitler's.

As you probably know, his design lost out to Henschel's, so instead, it became the Elefant or Ferdinand tank destroyer with the Krupp Pak 43 gun. Yet they proved ineffective at Kursk against infantry.

BTW, contrary to the lies told me in H.S. history, the Nazi regime really was socialistic; while corporations like Porsche's were still privately owned, they were not privately controlled.

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News Item3/11/08 1:14 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
"Signaling a significant departure from the Southern Baptist Convention’s official stance on global warming, 44 Southern Baptist leaders have decided to back a declaration calling for more action on climate change, saying its previous position on the issue was “too timid.”

It is fascinating to see the hoops some will go through to gain favor with ignorant "global warming" leftists. There has always been climate changes, even before we used incandescent bulbs. It is cyclical in nature, warming to be followed by cooling. It may already be moving in the direction of cooling. What arrogance to think man can destroy the climate, and even more arrogant to demand "more action on climate change," as if any action could be taken that would make a speck of difference.

In any case, the 25 inches of snow we received this past weekend makes me hopeful for a bit more "global warming."

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News Item3/11/08 8:15 AM
Dan | Tennessee  Find all comments by Dan
Two things:

1) Their new stance seems to have been driven by how they are “seen by the world” and they are now revealing their timidity as they cave in to Al Gore’s bizarre notions.

2) The NY Times is perpetuating the myth that Southern Baptists and Roman Catholics are denominations of the same thing: Christianity. Like 10s and 20s are denominations of U.S. currency. This is entirely FALSE! A tumor is not considered to be part of the Body therefore it is excised ASAP. Maranatha!

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News Item3/11/08 12:26 AM
John | San Jose, CA  Find all comments by John
Neil wrote:
What can we learn about Ferdinand Porsche by examining a VW Beetle?
Ferdinand Porsche also designed a prototype of the much-feared German
tiger tank of World War II...in addition to the VW Beetle. A contrast
reflected by the image (in this case, Porsche) of his creator, God.

The heavens, being limited (having been created--Gen 1 & 2) never-
the-less have yet to come even close to being plumbed by modern man.

The creation is NOT revelation in any articulated sense (which I think
Neil pointed out) , but is rather a blessed and provided means of
APPREHENSION of That which cannot be comprehended: God, the One who MADE the universe.

If that which is created (universe) is yet beyond our human ability
to fully grasp, then how much more is the One who created it?

The more we examine the universe the bigger we realize that it really
is. History of our exploration of the universe shows this.

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News Item3/10/08 6:26 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
The heavens remind the Psalmist of God, since He made them, & He is already known by the writer; it does not therefore follow that they provide us additional truth about Him or creation, and that is exactly what those who twist the doctrine of general revelation are doing.

Consider: if the heavens are limited, does that mean God is limited? If there is much darkness & little light, is that true of God too? The heavens change; does God therefore change? Darwinists often say that Nature is bloody & animals have redundant organs or junk DNA, therefore God must be cruel & foolish.

What can we learn about Ferdinand Porsche by examining a VW Beetle?

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News Item3/10/08 5:31 PM
DrJohn | King NC  Find all comments by DrJohn
Neil wrote:
General revelation is that which man knows innately (Rom 1:19-20), not what he learns from his senses
Does this mean that Psalm 19:1, and Psalm 75:1, and Psalm 97:6 are no longer valid?
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News Item3/10/08 2:44 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Things are warming up for the Southern Baptists? Since I believe in separation of Church and State, I will completely ignore them, we already have the The Perils of Popery, I am also against the perils of Protestants, the church has plenty to do, The Purpose of the Local Church and Community Issues. Rick Warren is having a bad influence on the Southern Baptists as Jerry Falwell had earlier.
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News Item3/10/08 2:06 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
"I learned that God reveals himself through Scripture and in general through his creation."

General revelation is that which man knows innately (Rom 1:19-20), not what he learns from his senses & the fallacious scientific method. This is their basic error.

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