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10/9/15 10:50 AM |
Hoggy Fan | | fly day | | | |
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Mike wrote: Under the definition of "pattern" one would be hard pressed to find "disorderly patterns," no? good point It is similar to the Pattern in DNA in this Human design, that MANY warn will become disorganized if we mess with it. The rotten idea of mixing human DNA with mice, that Hoggard etc warn is an abomination is similar to corruption of the word of God by cutting out parts or adding to it. (as the last chapter of the Book warns against. don't pull the tapestry's thread! -- Patterns of #s can mean something, as you say: and that is where Henry Morris focuses. He warns (in link below) "...."spiritualizing" interpretations, whether based on numerology or typology or anything else, are not sound hermeneutics. Numbers in the Bible should never be used to prove or even to intimate any point of doctrine. The same caution should be observed in connection with any other structural phenomena in the Bible (types, first mentions, etc.)" Morris goes on to look at patterns of #s similar to O.T. picture of N.T. truth that the ark, Joseph, Jonah, etc are examined to enlighten us. most obvious example is the number "seven," & 10, 12, 40, 70, 666 also seem significant. But scepticism is good. Be Berean. |
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10/9/15 9:17 AM |
Hoggy Fan | | fly day | | | |
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B. McCausland wrote: It appears to be an arithmetic principle based on the decimal system, and not an intrinsic matter related to the Bible text then ?? Dr. Morris: in link below: uses his math experience to note that "A related question is whether since so many different numbers and other mathematical concepts exist, and since there are so many different ways in which mathematical patterns might, therefore, be formed, aren't some mathematical patterns to be expected?The answer to this question could only be obtained with a sophisticated statistical analysis. The analysis would contrast the meaningful, orderly mathematical patterns with the meaningless, random patterns in the same chapter. So far as known, such an analysis has never been done. We must, therefore, rely on our own judgment or instinct. It is important to note that there are infinitely more random, disorderly patterns possible with a given number of components than there are orderly patterns. Randomness is statistically probable; order is statistically improbable. When one deals often with data of any kind on a statistical basis, the tendency is to develop an instinctive feeling as to what is and what is not strictly accidental'" & proceeds to look at Bible # patterns |
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10/9/15 8:57 AM |
Hoggy Fan | | fly day | | | |
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Dave wrote: Gods finality no. no matter what # you use, if you [add its digits together, subtract this from the original #, & then repeatedly sum the digits of the resulting numbers], the answer is always 9 Take the number 3,568 for example: Add those digits: 3 + 5 + 6 + 8 = 22 Subtract 22 from original #: 3,568 - 22 = 3,546 Add those digits : 3 + 5 + 4 + 6 = 18 Add those digits : 1 + 8 = 9 you come up with 9 no matter what you do -- these type of things are what led Bullinger to go too far : from book(link below) " Among others may be mentioned (1) that the sum of the digits which form its multiples are themselves always a multiple of nine; e.g., 2 x 9 = 18 (and 1+8=9); 3 x 9 = 27 (and 2+7=9); 4 x 9 = 36 (and 3+6=9); 5 x 9 = 45 (and 4+5=9), etc., etc.; and so with the larger numbers: 52843 x 9 = 475587 (and 4+7+5+5+8+7=36, and 3+6=9). (2) The sum of its multiples through the nine digits = 405, or 9 times 45. It is the last of the digits, and thus marks the end; and is significant of the conclusion of a matter. It is akin to the number 6, 6 being the sum of its factors (3x3=9, and 3+3=6), and is thus significant of the end of man, and the summation of all man's works." -but- Bullinger goes too far:
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10/8/15 10:43 AM |
Hoggy Fan | | torus day | | | |
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pennned wrote: Hebrew letters Panin wasn't showing "mystic' powers: from book,below link: 1. Historically, Hebrew Letter DO represent #s (pre-invention acceptance of Arabic Numerals)2. Greek Letters= #s 3.CILLI romans never got out of that habit either; er, silly. ---- Panin, says below Genesis 1:1 "Bareshith Bara Elohim hashamayim waet ha eret." transliterated Hebrew. a 7 words with 28 letters, b 4 7s c the 1st 3 words, have 14, with a Place Value of 140, or 20 7s d last 4, the 2 objects of the sentence,have also 14, or 2 7s e the 2 objects each = 7 letters f Another division of 7 into 3&4 produces 3 leading words: God, the heavens, the earth, have 14; g the remaining four have also 14 or 2 7s with 924 for the value, or 132 sevens h divided thus: Place Value has 147, or 3 7s of 7s i the Numeric Value has 777, itself 111 sevens j of which the units have 7 k the tens=7 l the hundreds have 7 m middle word, the shortest, has 7 letters with its right hand neighbour n 7 with its left hand neighbour the chance for these 2 sevens of features of seven being accidental, undesigned is 1 in 7 multiplied by itself 14 times, = 678,623,072,849 elaborate design of 7s thus runs thru 7 words:Gen1:1 Mathtic? |
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10/8/15 9:03 AM |
Hoggy Fan | | torus day | | | |
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B. McCausland wrote: Criticism from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Panin '...the same kind of numeric patterns can be found in any text, yet the methods used for casual demonstrations of this nature lack the requisite depth to draw conclusions" the iterations of this type of structure is what is distinctive:"So nat'ralists observe, a flea Has smaller fleas that on him prey; And these have smaller fleas to bite 'em. And so proceeds Ad infinitum." and a Mathematician expanded on this: "Great fleas have little fleas upon their backs to bite 'em, And little fleas have lesser fleas, and so ad infinitum. And the great fleas themselves, in turn, have greater fleas to go on, While these again have greater still, and greater still, and so on." Panin, in his day, had no takers on his challenge to find the type of phenomena he presented. And, as with a 'simple cell' the more you look at incredible design, the more you marvel. [URL=http://biblecourses.com.au/blunt/index.html]]]Blunt's Undesigned Scriptural Coincidences[/URL] : a better approach to this type of apologetics. In Blunt, you keep within the text: a fun study if you've never read these. Just Like DNA, woven tapestry of God's Word is DESIGN. |
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10/8/15 7:56 AM |
Hoggy Fan | | torus day | | | |
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B. McCausland wrote: 2. A. Panin.. Greek text, B. 'coincidences': agreed!That's why I gave Morris's take on Panin[10/7/15 8:02A] (Dr. Morris helped confirm my take on Panin-who goes too far.) "On the other hand, the phenomenon of "Bible numerics" which has been studied at great length by Dr. Ivan Panin and his followers is more questionable. These writers believe that the original Hebrew and Greek texts are filled with numerical patterns in the arrangement of the very words and letters. Panin even developed his own Greek New Testament by applying the criterion of the presence of numeric patterns as the test of authenticity of any particular passage. This evidence has very doubtful statistical significance, however, and some writers have claimed to be able to find similar numeric patterns in other books and documents. In some cases, Panin's approach seems persuasive, but in others it seems artificial. At best, this particular type of numerical study is still quite uncertain and so cannot be cited as a Christian evidence."HMM BUT some accumulations of data that surpass "coincidence': tho as Morris points out. 1.do not use #s to teach doctrine 2.Patterns are useful for apologetics. --- similar:Analogies in Tabernacle furnishings. |
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10/7/15 2:11 PM |
Hoggy Fan | | back again | | | |
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B. McCausland wrote: 'hidden' "The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law."Deu 29:29 thx:Ps.25:14 The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant. - Job29:2 Oh that I were as in months past, as in the days when God preserved me; 29:3 When his candle shined upon my head, and when by his light I walked through darkness; 29:4 As I was in the days of my youth, when the secret of God was upon my tabernacle; -- Not spooky stuff, not occultic, but those things that need to be studied after -- 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. 2:14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. -- your concerns are good. there are deep things that can be found thru proper study. - Never a bad thing to question bad methods. |
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10/7/15 12:05 PM |
Hoggy Fan | | day | | | |
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B. McCausland wrote: The bulk of his revelation is given in ‘black-and-white’, agreed: but the gems are fun to find just so as they are not GEM-atria. (yeah, a terrible pun) Prov.25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter. "The glory - It is agreeable to the nature of God; it is a testimony of his infinite wisdom, and of his absolute power and sovereignty. To conceal - To keep his counsels, and the reasons of his actions in his own breast. Search out - To communicate their counsels to others, that so they may search and find out the right way." Henry Ecc. 7:29 "Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions." Henry on "Sought out" - Were not contented with their present state, but studied new ways of making themselves more wise and happy, than God had made them. And we, their wretched children, are still prone to forsake the certain rule of God's word, and the true way to happiness, and to seek new methods of attaining it." listening to this now from last year [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=616141746126]]]Days of Noah - Corruption[/URL] Mice with Human brains:warning by Mike |
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10/7/15 8:02 AM |
Hoggy Fan | | all over the place | | | |
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B. McCausland wrote: ‘encrypted meaning’ [URL=http://www.creationstudies.org/Education/internal_design.html]]]Internal Designs in the Bible- Morris[/URL] the Counting vs Gematria prompted me to pull out my 'Defender's Study Bible: by ICR founder Henry M. Morris I found the above link after looking at his appendix 18 that is pretty much the same as the online link. It is page 1586 of this commentary, and the very last Index: never really focused on it much, but Morris' caution: "Any such "spiritualizing" interpretations, whether based on numerology or typology or anything else, are not sound hermeneutics. Numbers in the Bible should never be used to prove or even to intimate any point of doctrine. The same caution should be observed in connection with any other structural phenomena in the Bible (types, first mentions, etc.)." seems to be a good stopping point: I think Hoggard, Kelly etc. tend toward showing divine structure when commenting on this widely noted phenomenon. That Ivan Panin stuff below is a quantum leap beyond what you could do with the simple software that Pastor Mike uses. Hoggard says the intricate design of DNA is like that of the Word: don't mess with transhumanism-DNA is finely balanced. |
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10/6/15 4:34 PM |
Hoggy Fan | | 2sday not Tiusday 2day | | | |
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1 cor 1:12 "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. " Henry says: Now this I say - That is, what I mean is this: there are various parties among you, who set themselves, one against an other, in behalf of the several teachers they admire. " And I of Christ" - They spoke well, if they had not on this pretence despised their teachers, 1Cor 4:8 " Now ye are full, now ye are rich, ye have reigned as kings without us: and I would to God ye did reign, that we also might reign with you" "Perhaps they valued themselves on having heard Christ preach in his own person."Henryeven claiming to "just be a fan of Jesus " is questionable if teachers are despised thereby. As Hoggard says "if you can't find it in the Bible it doesn't exist." So doubting an area of inquiry that isn't clear in scripture exposition is following his direction. Be a Berean. again I recommend: http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=31813940495 for the logic on Nephilim: and note Dr Daniel says that was a one of a kind incident that was so bad it led to the flood. Other Nephilim seem to be a different type, and named in rememberence of the Genesis 6 event. |
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10/6/15 3:21 PM |
Hoggy Fan | | 2sday not Tiusday 2day | | | |
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Get Real wrote: I made a disclaimer on what Connie said about fallen angels marrying as you didn't call her out by name, I didn't get that you were calling a witness that holds a teaching that you claim is satanic in witness against Pastor Hoggard. Thought you meant Mike.Now it is stated clearly. But, you will note that Unprofitable Witness didn't seem to catch that either. so just how is it that you call a person you call a heretic to testify against Chris's & my take on Pastor Hoggard? Did you think that the use of numbers is something new with him? [URL=http://www.levendwater.org/books/numbers/number_in_scripture_bullinger.pdf]]]Numbers in scripture:Bullinger's complete Book[/URL] Many writers, from the earliest times, have called attention to the importance of the great subject of Number in Scripture. It has been dealt with, for the most part, in a fragmentary way. One has dealt with some particular number, such as "seven"; another has been content with a view of the primary numbers, and even when defining their significance, has given only one or two examples by way of illustration; another has confined himself to "symbolical numbers," such as 10, 40, 666, etc. as Reg Kelly below shows:Hoggard is not alone. |
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10/6/15 2:07 PM |
Hoggy Fan | | 2sday not Tiusday | | | |
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Unprofitable Servant wrote: . The article quote that is noted above was the author saying What SHE (Connie) believed. you may return to the link.[URL=http://bibleconundrumsandcontroversy.blogspot.com/2012/03/mike-hoggard-anti-apostasy-teacher-or.html]]]June 12 2012 at 11:46am Connie on angels[/URL] and read Connie saying her own opinion "not a doctrine of demons, it is a biblical doctrine ABOUT demons. The article you referenced has some errors. First you do not interpret an Old Testament usage of a word from the New Testament meaning. The Sons of God in the Old Testament did not refer to human believers. It referred to angels only. Secondly, just because angels do not marry does not mean they are sexless. " says Unprofitable Servan's "expert witness. that is not a quote of someone else that is the blog writer talking to someone else(Paul) about her own opinion. not trying to strive, but as Dr.Daniel said: people ask about your take on it and Connie (your & Get Real's witness) Bob Vincent Jason Cooley Michael Boehm and Mike Hoggar have the same take. Connie's paper http://bibleconundrumsandcontroversy.blogspot.com/2012/01/giants-nephilim-aliens-do-they-exist.html is even more clear! Nephilim re: your Connie |
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10/6/15 12:28 PM |
Hoggy Fan | | 2sday | | | |
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because you speak against something means in the next breath you can use it
Get Real wrote: the rabbinical kabbalah that Madonna brings to the masses is the same Jewish heresy that was brought to the Jewish population of long ago, According to the bible, deception in the end times will be the normal state of affairs. Counterfeit miracles, false prophets, and other evils will be rampant, like the evil witchcraft of the kabbalah or the fable of king Solomon's sorcery, The oldest biographical accounts of Solomon's life are in the Bible, specifically the books of Kings and Chronicles. They refer to his wisdom, but do not suggest that he practiced magical arts. Over a thousand years after Solomon died, a Jewish apocryphal work called the Testament of Solomon appeared. It told a fable about how Solomon is able to build the Temple by defeating demons and employing their skills by means of a ring and its seal given to him by the Archangel Michael, The Testament of Solomon influenced later Jewish mysticism, magical practice you can use it, to refute it as either fable or heresy or non-biblical.As you just did, quite nicely here. the same method I (& Chris) see Hoggard using. that might answer your query of 10/6/15 7:49 AM |
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10/6/15 10:46 AM |
Hoggy Fan | | 2sday | | | |
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Mourner wrote: I'm sure that many of you want to be 'right' and will go along with me??? check the quote marks: [hard to read on some screens]That remark is Dr. McGee's typical homespun humor.
which is why he drives the Bible Bus. [URL=http://www.ttb.org/]]]Thru the Bible on the Bible Bus[/URL] & as Christopher000 wrote: "I'm not one of those who will defend someone no matter what any evidence might suggest or prove. Fact are facts and I always go with them and the bible." And also B. McCausland " It is safe to love truth more than people." "some things hard to understand" in Paul says Peter and John 6 "this is a hard saying" led to A "hard sayings" series that includes this overview of the differing perspectives on Gen 6: http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=31813940495 as this topic is brought up even in secular society, it is worth an hour's listen. I used to be in Dr. McGee's camp, but the type of teaching that Dr Daniel has here got me to the current position. But I am still open to other perspectives. |
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10/6/15 9:40 AM |
Hoggy Fan | | 2sday | | | |
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Christopher000 wrote: it's been keeping friendly. "I recognize, and I want to insist upon it, that many fine expositors take the opposite view ..... If you accept that view, you will be in good company, but I am sure that most of you want to be right and will want to go along with me. Regardless of which view you take, I hope all of us will be friends, because this is merely a matter of interpretation. It does not have anything to do with whether or not you believe the Bible but concerns only the interpretation of the facts of Scripture." SOURCE: McGee, J. Vernon, Thru the Bible with J. Vernon McGee, (Nashville: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 2000, c1981. I agree with Dr. McGee 100% hereexcept that in the ellipsis , I removed his "that the sons of God are actually angels" meaning, one of my favorite teachers, Dr.McGee, disagrees with me. (I listen to Dr.McGee every day!) [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=1125122223445]]]Numbers(counting):Reg Kelly on SA:1of2[/URL] Jn 21:11b "great fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: 1 Jn 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." exegete #s: cf Kelly |
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10/5/15 4:30 PM |
Hoggy Fan | | end of day in October | | | |
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Christopher000 wrote: potent issues that arise. looks like that is why Get Real was concerned: as far as she knew this was a racist teaching the same as the rotten Serpent Seed. But by 1. not listening to Mike reject that evil teaching;55 min.1st linked below 2.not hearing him directly, but listening to silly smears like ' -- he uses albert pike's morals and dogma along side the bible ' --- not realizing that EVERY time he refers to Fat Albert Pike it is to refute&reject Pike's devish lies. ... (do you know that Ken Ham has a copy of Origin of Species right next to his Bible?...must be Ham is a secret Darwinist...) . as you say many here teach same [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=6161521284]]]Giants, Fossils and the Bible with Chris Lesley [/URL] "The Bible claims that there were men of incredible height, some of which were up to 13 feet tall. Is this possible? Have any giant fossils been found that could corroborate with the scriptures? In this podcast were going to be talking to Chris Lesley of Greater Ancestors Museum about the existence of giant fossil discoveries from around the world." [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=31813940495]]]Curt Daniel on Gen 6[/URL] |
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10/5/15 3:19 PM |
Hoggy Fan | | October midday | | | |
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Christopher000 wrote: We all like the new Get Real. I agree that Get Real has been mostly positive lately. 'Course, my moniker says why I posted:Just wanted to give a 'nudge' toward listening to the message before commenting: (and also point out to those who might read a slam on Hoggard that was 180 off direction that the EXACT message in question was a rebuttal to the rotten serpent seed doctrine that Get Real brought up.) as cited: col 1:9-14 "For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding; That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God; Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness; Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins." |
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