Just one correction to my last post. Amos 9:11-15 is used by James in Acts 15:13-17 to prove that the building of tabernacle of David is in fact the bringing in of we gentiles into the church of God and not a future to us restoration of Israel.
We all know Christ will return to earth and will be seen of all nations, and will return to Israel, but then He will bring all things to completion Rev21 uniting Heaven and Earth together, this is Fulfilling of all things. The Church is not replacing Israel but is the fulfilment of all the O/T promises to Israel. The Church today is the true Israel of God Gal 6:15-16. The nation we call Israel is not the Biblical nation, to be that they need a Temple, sacrifices, High Priests, a King. None of which they can now find and prove to be rightfully holding those offices. Know body can rightly hold these positions without proof they have a right to them. Christ fulfilled all these in Himself. The quotes 'welcome home' uses were all kept when Israel came back from Babylon under Ezra and Nehemiah, they are not future to us but already fulfilled.
Michael in Gen 15:18 God gave to Abram's seed, (which Paul tells us is Christ) the land from the river of Egypt up to the Euphrates. How much land should the people who now occupies this land give up? How would you react to any body tried that to you, would you not take up arms to defend yourself? Abraham looked beyond the promise to its fulfilment Heb 11:8-10. The land today is nothing but real-estate.
The Kingdom of God is both present and future. Christ's Kingdom is not of this world John18:36. Yet it comes without observation and is within you Luke 17:20-21. Believers are in the Kingdom now Col 1:13. All who believe are the good seed or children of the Kingdom Matt 13:38. We are to pray for the Kingdom to come in our day Matt 6:10.That is seek its increase. This Kingdom knows no national or racial boundaries, the Kingdom is where Christ rules by his word and spirit in the heart and lives of his people. Its fulfilment will be when he comes again to judge the quick and the dead.
Gil Rugh said the Bible does not say we are in the kingdom of God. The Bible actually says:- Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the KINGDOM of his dear Son: Now Gil Rugh might not be in that Kingdom, but Christians are. Gods kingdom and Christ's Kingdom are one and the same. But with out any kind of flag, Rom 14:17 For the KINGDOM OF GOD is not meat and drink (anything physical) but righteousness and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
All polygamous relationships in the O/T scriptures ended in disaster. There was not one that did not bring grief to all who partook of them. But now due to our nations over turning of the creational ordinance of marriage anything goes and will result in the same grief for both those who despise Gods law and the nations who sanction such vile relationships.
I know of a least 3 old Methodist churches and 1 salvation army building that have become mosques with in a 3 mile radius of where I live. Not to mention churches that have become carpet warehouses etc. There are a number of Roman Catholic church that are empty and their schools have had to merge. So its not all bad news then?
There may be one course of action churches can take to protect themselves, and that is to stop conducting marriages in church. I know of one denomination in Scotland that is considering this action if pushed by the state to go against there conscience. This is far from ideal but there is no requirement in scripture for marriages to be held in a church. Believers would be still free to hold some kind of religious activity privately else where. I know many will object, but at least if we no longer conduct marriages in church the LBGT cant seek to compel the church to include them.
This is the bitter fruit of evolution, having been conditioned to think that man is nothing more than an animal, man who puts down sick animals thinks nothing of putting down sick people. Even their own children.
For somebody who often opposes moralism this remark is astounding Jim. Why was the mercy seat put over the law, and not the law over mercy? also if justice is BLIND to forgiveness on what grounds do you think guilty sinners can be reconciled to God, or is only your sin forgivable? King David was a murderer even Paul condoned the murder of Christians, should they be remain unforgiven? What this young man did was wicked but it is not unforgivable, if it was then all who have hate in their hearts towards him are also guilty of murder and eternal lost Matt5:21-22 1John3:15.
King Jehoshaphat was a good and Reforming King, but he kept making the same mistake; he made alliances with the apostate Northern Kingdom Israel. All of which ended in failure and disaster, even brought the rebuke of Jehu Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD. How we need to learn the warnings of the scriptures.
1517 wrote: BRF, Thank you for presenting those verses. As much as my mind and body want to rage and rail, scripture calmly reminds us this WILL happen. So, in a strange twist, this "revelation" from Campolo only AFFIRMS scripture and strengthens my trust in Christ. Christ will never be stopped!
1517 We must always remember that no matter what the enemies of the truth may throw at the true church of God; God still rules over the whole of His creation. Even their wicked attacks always work good for those who love God Rom 8:28 and even despite all their efforts they actually bring about Gods will and purpose Acts 2:23 4:23-28. In spite of their intentions their actions accomplish Gods will. Our God reigns. Not man, not conspiracies, not false religions not even Tony Campolo's wife.
carl h wrote: Why on earth do people actually listen to these fools.
2Tim4:1-3 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. Compared to faithful believers:- Titus2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and glorious appearing of the great God and our saviour Jesus Christ. Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people zealous of good works.
John Yurich USA wrote: All Muslims(even those born in this country) should be kicked out of this country. Freedom of religion does not apply to Muslims.
I freely admit that I am no expert on the American constitution, but were does it say that John ? Are you not in fact on this issue being true to your Roman Catholicism which always wants to supress any, even true believers, from holding any belief that does not submit to the Popes authority and rule over them. Also were would you send those you would kick out of the land of the free? and why would they take them? Its against international law to make somebody state less.
The UK human rights act of 1998 protests a persons right not to be forced by a court to go against their religious conscience article 9. This ruling then is against the Ashers conscience, their right to practice their faith and the much maligned Human rights act, and is one good reason for them to appeal and for the UK government not to repeal this act. Even if criminals and terrorists have missed used it. If the UK government do as many in their party want and scrap it, Christianity will soon become a crime in our land.
John Yurich USA wrote: All Catholics in Ireland and the United States who support homosexuality, abortion and artificial birth control should be told by their Archbishops to either fall in line with Catholic teaching and be against homosexuality, abortion and artificial birth control or be excommunicated. Notice that support of homosexuality, abortion and artificial birth control should be the only Catholic doctrines that one should be excommunicated from the Catholic Church for supporting. Disagreeing with other Catholic doctrines should not be grounds for excommunication.
So false doctrine, murder, adultery, Idolatry, stealing, drunkenness, lying, etc. Are all OK then. You would make a great Pope; John making up your own rules to suite yourself.
1517 Matt5:44 But I say unto you, love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you. Rom12:14 Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not. So Christ and Paul must be wrong? Remember Elijah was a prophet used of God, we are not. And God being God is free from all sin, we are not. All our words and actions are tainted with sin, therefore obey Christ and don't allow your natural and sinful inclinations to be your guide.