SteveR wrote: The Gospel is a very simple message. Its not complex, just hidden from the wicked. John Y gets it, and you don't (pity) 1 Corinthians 1:27 Â But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
Actually I fully understand the doctrine of justification by faith alone. But the church he will not leave does not believe the gospel it adds mans good works and anathematise all who don't hold to that teaching. Also we are to grow in the grace and the knowledge of our Lord and saviour 2Pet 3:18. something he cannot do under false teaching and idolatrous worship.
SteveR wrote: John Y didn't violate any rules of conduct, just out debated the wicked (again)
Thanks for the laugh SteveR. Out debated the wicked; John Y like all good Roman Catholics does not engaged in any debate but using simplistic statements ignores all scripture quoted and provides no real Biblical proof of any position he takes. he just accuses all who disagree with him possessed of Satan. If this passes for debate in the church of Rome there is no hope for him.
John Y your attendance at the Mass which is the very heart of Roman Catholic worship is enough to make you a partaker of these idolatries. You can't pick and chose which parts you agree with and disagree with. Which part of the Mass do you claim to be scriptural? Its all idolatry. One passage which calls us to attend a faithful and Biblical Church is Hebrews 10:19-26 especially :25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is (John Y); BUT EXHORTING ONE ANOTHER: AND SO MUCH THE MORE AS YE SEE THE DAY APPROACHING. You can't obey the part in upper case if you are not assembled with other believers. 2Cor 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? :16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. If you can't see the plain teaching of scripture you are blind and not as well educated as you claim to be.
John Yurich USA wrote: It is not required for salvation to leave the Catholic Church and unite with any other church as the Bible nowhere states that church attendance in any church including an Evangelical Protestant Church is required for salvation. The only requirement for salvation is to trust entirely in Jesus alone for salvation.
Not according to Christ himself Matt 7:21-23 people will profess faith in Christ on the day of judgment and be found wanting. obedience to Gods word is what is required. Or is Christ wrong and John Y correct. Your shallow easy believism which allows you to stay in an idoltrus cult; but scripture clearly teaches we are to separate and not tolerate false doctrine and practice. Rom 16:17 2Thess 3:6 :14 Titus 3:10 2John :10. The last one goes on to say that those who show approval by bidding them God speed is a partaker of their evil. By staying in the Catholic Church you show approval of their evil and idoltrus religion.
John Yurich USA wrote: That is not what I meant and you know it. The other Catholic doctrines I meant that is ok to disagree with and should not result in excommunication are that the Mass is a sacrifice, Purgatory, praying to the Virgin Mary and the Saints for intercession, the Catholic doctrine of Holy Communion, that the Sacraments have something to do with salvation(instead of being just church ceremonies dealing with various stages in life), that the Pope is the Vicar of Christ and that Baptism takes away sin.
Rome an keep all these doctrines because no true Christian would join and turn a blind eye to such falsehoods Any true Christian would obey scripture and come oput from among them..
If they do this to their own what are they up to with the rest of us? If we knew we were being watched would we modify our behaviour? But we are watched every moment of our life by our Almighty and all seeing God, but do we calling ourselves Christians live in the reality of this truth? Wisdom would cause us to talk and walk circumspectly when we know we are being observed, but do we live like Christians when only God is watching us? Psl 139:7-12
John Yurich USA wrote: Because support of abortion, homosexuality, homosexual marriage and artificial birth control should be only areas where excommunication results. Disagreeing with other Catholic teachings should not result in excommunication.
So the logic of this statement is murder, incest, bestiality, idolatry, false doctrine, stealing, giving a false witness etc. are all ok according to John Y in the Roman Catholic church. Sounds about right.
Does she have either faith or good works? Because if good works did (and they don't) contribute to our salvation they would have to pass at least three requirements. 1 Are they good works acceptable to God? Are they the right ones. 2 Are they preformed to standard acceptable to God? They would have to be perfect in keeping with Gods own perfections. 3 Have we done enough good works? Just how few would be acceptable to God or how many do we have to preform to make a satisfactory contribution to our salvation? Because in my Bible it says; Psl 39:5 verily every man at his best state is altogether vanity Isa 64:6 all our righteousness are but filthy rags; If good works are a contributing factor I confess I am eternally lost. I can only cling to my faithful and all sufficient saviour Jesus Christ and if that not enough I am the most miserable of sinners. A bit like Mrs Clinton.
This campaign as been the most hatful and vitriolic campaign I have ever known. The tragedy is this will impact upon all western nations not just the USA. Both these candidates have done us a service though in that they have brought so called democracy into disrepute. May be believers will now turn back to trusting in Christ over and against their man invented political parties. Psl 118:8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man. :9 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in princes.
Sadly for the USA and the world neither of these two people are reliable or fit to be the commander in chief of the USA. If Clinton wins she will prove to be a great disappointment for Jim. Her Presidency will be a one term lame duck Presidency full of scandal.
If Trump wins he will be a great disappointment to John Y a lame duck one term President racked with scandal. the USA and the world needs a leader but we are going to get nothing but scandal and probably conflict with the USA and the world with either of these two people.
But rejoice Jesus Christ is still ruling over the nations and His return is fast approaching.
Interesting terms used for churches John in Northern Ireland Catholics go to chapel protestants go to church. In the North of England know body uses the term chapel any more, manly used by Methodists in the past. Also many buildings once used by Christians have become Mosques or carpet warehouses. Just about what most CofE churches are fit for today.
John Yurich USA wrote: The United Kingdom government is Socialist and not a Republic like the United States. And the Conservative Party in the United Kingdom is in reality the Liberal Party if they support homosexual marriage. The part of Trump's life that is God honoring is that he is now pro life and against abortion. And the list of Supreme Court justices that Clinton has is the Liberal justices. Whereas the list of Supreme Court justices that Trump has is the Conservative justices.
Most Muslims I know are against abortion and Homosexual marriage this is not a reason to vote for them. Mike N/Y Western society as a whole is progressively becoming anti God each new leader will simply take us ever nearer to the ultimate Antichrist not just in the USA but Europe and the UK. But again I maintain all is under the Sovereign will of God and that even when the worst ever leader is raised up Jesus Christ is still Lord over all to the glory of God. Our calling is to seek first the Kingdom of God not the kingdom of the USA or the UK but the Kingdom of God. Because Jesus Christ is coming again let us rest in that assured knowledge.
John Yurich USA wrote: That is pure nonsense that I don't believe in the Sovereignty of God. And Obama was allowed by God to be president of the United States as judgment upon the United States. I don't trust Trump over God. But Trump has stated he is now pro life and against abortion. And the list of justices that Trump has to appoint to the Supreme Court are all conservative justices. So that takes care of your nonsense that Trump would not appoint conservative justices to the United States Supreme Court.
Is this list the same for Clinton or can she chose different ones? If she can so could Trump. But hey you can vote for who you like, but experience as taught me you can't trust any politicians. In this country it was Conservatives which brought in gay marriage with out asking the people. It was the same party who deregulated the Lords day and brought in the national lottery addicting our nation to gambling. All western governments now are liberal unchristian and godless, Trump is just the same, he is no Christian I ask again what part of his life as ever been God honouring?
John Yurich USA wrote: Trump has stated he is now pro life and against abortion. And he has stated he would appoint conservative justices to the Supreme Court who are against abortion and homosexuality and homosexual marriage. You and everybody else who are against Trump are doing Satan's bidding by being against Trump and will be responsible for the judgment of God that will descend upon this nation if Clinton gets in the White House. Keeping Clinton out of the White House and having a conservative majority on the Supreme Court are the only 2 things that matter.
I live in the UK and don't get a vote if I did I would not support either of the two main candidates. You obviously don't believe in the Sovereignty of God, voters are only the means by which God raises up leaders in the USA, and sometimes He raises up men or women to judge a nation. If its Trump he still won't give you your idealistic dreams because despite your trust in him rather than God he is not a Christian. You know them by their fruits. How is this mans life ever been God honouring?
John Yurich USA wrote: There has never been a conservative majority on the Supreme Court before. But under the next president most if not all the liberal justices on the Supreme Court will retire. And so it is vitally important that Trump is elected to put a conservative majority on the Supreme Court to overturn abortion and homosexual marriage and reverse all the evil policies of Obama. Since when is Trump not a Republican? He is the Republican nominee for president isn't he? That makes him a Republican. And why do you state that Trump is not a Christian? You do not have the ability to see into his heart. Only Jesus knows if Trump is a Christian or not.
Matt 7:15 Beware of false prophets which come in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. :16 Ye shall know them by their fruits.
This is true for politicians as well, Trump does not think he needs to confess and repent of sins, therefore he knows not God or himself, therefore he is not born again. Has he said that he opposes abortion? or homosexual marriage? He won't lift a finger because at heart he is a liberal disguising himself as a republican. Who ever wins the USA loses but don't despair Jesus Christ is still Lord.