John Yurich USA wrote: You know that is totally ridiculous. If "Rome" does not perform homosexual marriage ceremonies then it sure would never annul a homosexual marriage as it does not recognize homosexual marriage.
So lets get back to the article, if you read it and then go down to the posts on the page what do you find the man John Y was trying to defend considers Rome to be a false religion. He would tell John Y to forsake the church of Rome as well. SteveR would call him wicked as well.
Showing that false worship can not be disguised as true worship is not wicked, but your use of such pejorative words shows you lack any real grace. I have never attacked John Y personally nor did I accuse him of worshiping a calf, merely proved from the Bible that calling an idol Jehovah doe not make worship true worship. Rome venerates Popes, Mary, the Mass in its public worship. 1Theess3:6 makes it clear that all who do not keep the true apostolic and Biblical traditions are to be withdrawn from.
John Yurich USA wrote: The Navy is violating the First Amendment Freedom of Religion.
John you violate Gods law by remaining in the false church of Rome. Don't give us your usual response, you won't engage with the scriptures I and others have shown you. But here is some more Exodus 32 the making of the golden calf, Aaron expressly called this idol Jehovah :5 yet even by trying to hid the fact that the golden calf was an idol by calling it Jehovah did not make it the One True and Only living God. Neither does Rome's lies hid the fact they worship idols. Then there is the clear commands of 2Thess3:6 & :14-15 which I have shown you before and which you constantly ignore. For the good of your own soul 'come out from among them'.
John Yurich USA wrote: Francis needs to step down and a conservative Pope put in place who is against homosexuality and divorce.
A truly conservative Pope would uphold the counsel Trent, which anathematises all who hold to justification by faith alone. Also all who deny that the bread and win is turned into the literal body and blood of Christ. That you isn't John ? or do you agree with Rome's doctrine ? How does if feel to be anathematised by your own church? John for the good of your own soul 'come out from among them' 2Thess3:6 & :14-15. Stop ignoring scriptures command.
1Peter3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear. Rom8:17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Rom12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good. Time for church.
John UK wrote: Ah yes! This is another most excellent aspect - a relationship of love. Some would call this a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. And then we have the indwelling Holy Ghost, and I am a temple in which God dwells. This must be an awesome thing. And then, the gathered local church is also a temple of God, where he dwells by his Spirit.
The more the truth of Gods word was opened to me the more I realised there is still more truth to uncover and there is more I need to apply in my life. Principles work through, if I am saved by grace then I need to live a gracious life for my Saviour. That is why we must take issue with John Y his doctrine is what called easy believe-ism. Faith alone which is not worked out in life and which never develops beyond that is in reality dead faith. James2:17. Yet we must be patient with him, if he is truly converted and I make no judgement on that, Christ is our judge. We must gently and loving correct him. The fact that he never uses terms like 'Justification by faith alone' shows he still needs to grow in the true knowledge of God something which will never happen while he stays with Rome.
John UK wrote: Thank you BRF, that is also mighty fine, and a most wonderful thing too. To be reconciled to God, there is no better thing. So having looked at the theology of reconciliation, what about the experiential aspect of it. In other words, what does it mean to me? If eternal life is to "know God", how does that manifest itself? Sorry for all the questions.
That's OK John I have not had to think on my feet so much for a long time thank you for engaging in a positive way. Not always the case sad to say. How it manifest itself is I would say is heart felt conversion with a love for God and all his people. Even those we might not fully agree with in all doctrine. Even rebuking others for their errors in the faith and life must be done, but always in love and for their good. Not out of pride trying to show we know better than them. Being a reconciled sinner I know I am not the holder of all truth only God is and I must be willing to repent when shown my own errors. Even the apostle Peter had to be rebuked by Paul but it did not lead to schism, which is something evil and all to prevalent in the church today.
John UK wrote: BRF, I was thinking in terms of being reconciled to God in the normal way we think about reconciled. For example, what do you think about the word "know" in the following verse: John 17:3 KJV (3) And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
At the fall Adam/man lost the knowledge of God or his relationship he had as part of his being created in Gods image Col3:10. In His High Priestly prayer Christ is ask for those given to Him :2 be restored into this relationship or into the saving true knowledge of God. Reconciliation being about to be made available at our LORDS crucifixion the next day. Knowing in Scripture carries more than just accent or head knowledge it also implies a relationship of love for the one known.
John UK wrote: Okay, that's mighty fine. What about reconciliation (with God) on the same lines as two friends being reconciled? What do you think about that?
At the creation of Adam, Adam was the friend of GOD. When Adam fell the friend relationship ended, man became a sinful creature breaking that relationship, only in Christ can that relationship be restored. Only those who were once friends and now have a break in that friendship can be or need reconciliation. Strangers cant be reconciled they have never had a relationship to break. A husband and wife for example contemplating divorce, need reconciliation for their marriage to survive. We had such a relationship in Adam. All men are now in need of reconciliation to God by Christ, Praise God he has provided the means of this reconciliation through the foolishness of preaching to all who repent and believe the good news of a just work of atonement through the cross of Jesus Christ.
I would also say this legal act is in keeping with God virtues or attributes. Our God is a Holy, Righteous, Just God and so His work must also be like His virtues Holy, Righteous and Just. Only one who is sinless could atone for sin, and must be a man, animals could never truly atone for sin see Heb10:4. Yet also only God could bear the wrath of God to the uttermost, man would be crushed by God's wrath. Therefore we need and must look for one who is truly God and truly man, Jesus Christ Acts4:12 The Heidelberg Catechism explains very beautifully in its first seven Lords Days.
John UK wrote: Thank you BRF. So if I am reading you aright, you are saying that "reconciliation with God" changes the legal standing of a sinner, so that God no longer sees him as guilty but righteous? Is this what being reconciled to God means? Or is there some other thing?
Correct, faith being the means not the grounds by which we appropriate reconciliation. How we are reconciled and not the why. We must not make the act of faith a work or a merit on our part. Christ's atonement is the only legal ground by which we are reconciled to God. This being a perfect, sufficient and just work of reconciliation. But Rome calls this legal fiction, because they want to merit with God.
John UK wrote: Just in case you all missed my question to SteveR yesterday, I'll repeat it today and see if anyone knows the answer. The question is, "What does the expression "reconciled to God" mean in the following verse: 2 Corinthians 5:20 KJV (20) Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. Be as detailed as you like, because a simplistic answer will hardly do the job.
Reconciliation presupposes a relationship that as been violated. In the Bible man alone is responsible for this violation, Reconciliation is achieved by the work of God in Christ paying a just, perfect and sufficient atonement. Reconciliation is the act of God whereby he changes the state of the sinner from guilt into that of righteousness through the atonement.
A verse for John Y to meditate upon. 2Thess3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, THAT YE WITHDRAE YOURSELVES FROM EVERY BROTHER THAT WALKETH DISORDLY, AND NOT AFTER THE TRADITION WHICH HE RECIEVED OF US. Notice John its from Brothers who do not hold to true Apostolic teaching we are to withdraw from. see also 2Thess3:14-15 Rome teaches falsehood Scripture says withdraw your self. Lean not on your own understanding, obey Gods word.
John Yurich USA wrote: Banks is totally demon possessed as well as anybody who embraces witchcraft.
John here you go again calming somebody is possessed of the Devil. This person is fallen and sinful but demon possessed you have no real proof of, just a silly statement she made for publicity. What your constant accusations do prove is that not only have you not left Rome but Rome as not left you, You are still trapped in a suppositious and idolatrous religion, obsessed with demons, giving to the Devil more power than he actually as. John flee for your soul sake from this false and corrupt organisation.
jg wrote: "This is ridiculous when are we really going to fight these animals"..... Amen time to take off the gloves.
It is not up to the Christian church to fight wars but preach the gospel of grace. Its up to our national leaders, given we are more likely to be drawn into a war with Russia at this moment with the troubles in the Ukraine we probably cant get too involved with ISIS. I know the UK government has cut defence so much we have not even got aircraft carrier until latter this year and then have no planes to put on it till 2019. It's not looking good, but 'Our comfort surly is that we belong by faith to our faithful coming saviour' of which the growing wickedness of men like ISIS show us is at hand.
SteveR wrote: Right All of Western Europe went to war kicking & screaming while Martin Luthers great great great.....grandfather led peace rallies throught the empire carrying signs like "Make Pottage not War" "We love Arab Invaders" "No Saracen called me a peasant" "Resistence to Rome is Feudal"
To be fair the crusades were over by the time of Luther. But know body as ever said that either Luther or Calvin or anybody else for that matter is sinless perfection. Does anybody think any Pope as been perfectly sinless? According to Catholic teaching the Pope still retains the power to use the means of the inquisition, even if he can't at this time use it. But if he ever can he will.