SteveR wrote: Dave reminds me of a Mad Max rape gang character in desperate need of a brain fyi- For those who haven't seen the Mad Max movies, Catholic Mel Gibson slaughters the Dave types with little help
What a terrible thing to say! SteveR is way out of line here. Dave, I agree with you and Christopher. We have been blessed to live in a free nation where we still have freedom of worship.
Yes, there were God fearing candidates running for president. A vote for Darrell Castle or Tom Hoeffling could have easily been written in, if they didn't have ballot access. Or one could leave the office of President blank and vote down ballot for godly men running for local offices. Christians don't have to settle for who is the less wicked when voting. They can research and find alternatives to support.
Excerpt: â€śMy phone is ringing off the hook with people who were on the outs asking how they can get into Trump world,â€ť said one operative who worked with Trumpâ€™s campaign. â€śIâ€™m telling them there is no f---ing way theyâ€™re getting inside.â€ť
My thoughts: Great! Now we get a vindictive obscenity laden White House... When will God's people vote for righteous candidates?
I haven't read all of Jim Lincoln's comments, but folks, if you're up in arms because he isn't following the GOP and supporting Trump, then perhaps you are the ones in error. Have your standards fallen so low you can't even be reasoned with? Has America ever seen Christians be so blind and foolish as in this election? May the good Lord have mercy and remove the scales from your blind eyes! You don't have to vote for Trump. You can vote third party, write in a candidate or just vote for the lesser offices. I pray you all will vote for righteousness and not out of fear for Hillary as president. If the GOP can keep Congress, her hands will be tied.
Pennelope, I come from a Reformed Presbyterian background and have studied the Scottish Covenanters who were persecuted for their faith. My understanding of the separation of Church and State comes from reading men like Samuel Rutherford and George Gillespie. I'm also a student of Protestant history and appreciate Luther, Zwingli and Calvin. I'm not Baptist nor do I know much about the Anabaptists except what I've read in general reformation history. I think you and I have disagreed on matters in the past and really should know better than to engage you in conversation. I'll make a note to not do this again. Praying you'll have a blessed Lord's Day.
Hi Pennned, Theonomy is prevalent in reformed circles and the definition has become so broad by its adherents that almost everyone is a theonomist! But SteveR has summed it up very well. It isn't traditional Reformed thought and that's why I eventually rejected it. I'm not certain what you mean by church and state being ideally one. Both church and state are under Christ, but they are separate governmental spheres is traditional reformed understanding.
Sorry, pennelope, but you and I must be looking at Phil Johnson's article differently because I didn't get that impression about him at all. I'm a former theonomist who had a change of heart after studying the actual works of the Reformers and Protestant history. I would go to Phil Johnson for help if I were being persecuted because I think he is genuine and would lay down his life for a fellow believer. Can we please keep in mind that violating the Ninth Commandment is serious business and God hates those who murder people's reputations?
Praise the LORD! It is so encouraging to see Christians take direct action to abolish prenatal child-killing. My prayers are with them. Also, thank you, Jim Lincoln, for the quote and link to the article by Phil Johnson. I've been on a similar journey in my Christian life and look forward to reading it in its entirety. May the good Lord bless you.
Yes, people will see what they want to see and many are willing to see good in a Trump candidacy. But is Donald Trump a moral man with integrity? (3 wives, a fortune linked to casinos, etc) Perhaps if we look at him through the eyes of Scripture we'll see more clearly. Men's opinions change like the seasons, but the Word of our God is steadfast and eternal.
After reading this I think I'd prefer Ted Cruz more if he were a "dominionist." He at least needs to brush up on Christian history and perhaps subscribe to a confession or something. It's his 1 inch deep and mile wide theology that concerns me.