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Well, folks, I've been issuing apologies for my dismissal and chastising those who I felt were taking "pot shots" at DP, patriarchy, etc. There really is reason for concern for abuse of power and instead of sweeping it under the rug, we need to look at the charges, evaluate the facts as best we can and take a stand against spiritual abuse in Christian ministries - both in the church and in para-church organizations. Once we begin doing this, I believe the good Lord will bless our Christian witness to the world and other believers. And as I've stated in other places - moderation is the key! We don't need to be extremists in any area other than extremely committed to Christ and living a genuine, sincere Christian life.
I just want to acknowledge what a blessing Christopher is to this forum. His comment is right on target. Which one of us began our walk with Christ with 100% correct knowledge and impeccable theology? Let's give this man a break and sincerely pray for his growth as a Christian.
Barack Obama is making a mockery out of freedom and honoring those who have sacrificed much, including their lives for liberty. It would be so much better if he would just quietly fade into the woodwork instead of promoting ungodliness and exalting the wicked. I am astounded at his brazenness! Who in recent history was as unpopular as Pres. Obama is now? Does the man have no wisdom?
Dear Neil, I agree with your last comment. If this report of DP is true (I haven't yet checked it out), then I will have some apologies to make. And if true, this reveals a serious flaw in character and heinous sin that should be dealt with by using the principles of church discipline by the VF Board of Directors and DP's church in Texas. May God help DP's family as they pick up the pieces and may God's people keep them lifted up in prayer.
Dear Mourner, Why would you try to trick folks by bringing up a non-existing confession? I don't think that's very nice or funny.
To inhiswrds - I don't think your comment is very nice or funny either. Perhaps you and Mourner should watch this Christian family's reality show. You might learn some manners from the Duggar's children.
Hi mourner, These forums are really difficult for me to communicate in as I tend to talk in sound bites anyway. Well, the wretched sinner was me about 20 years ago and I've changed my views a bit. However, I think all God's people brought glory to Him when I was on the school board. We fought the good fight. As far as John Y. - I think the good Lord is opening his eyes to the Gospel truth, just as He has most of us on this forum. I'm not a fan of the Anglican Church and haven't read their confession, so I am not going to encourage someone to believe or read something I have no knowledge of; as far as I know it could be in error.
Dear Neil, I'll tell you a little story about a wretched sinner who came to Christ as an adult. She was very timid and shy - infact she sought the lowest seat at church as she knew she was a miserable wretch... But the good Lord seemed to have different plans and as the wretched sinner became a new creation in Christ, He brought her to the forefront of her community through a position on the local gov't school board and the publicity which followed her unashamed Christian witness. Many folks probably looked down on her and wagged their fingers, but she knew the Lord was using her to shame the wise and perhaps teach the comfortable Christian community a lesson. So, in the midst of her fears at being a public witness for Christ, she found consolation in the Sermon on the Mount and trusts that the good Lord will one day say, "Well done, good and faithful servant." PS - John Y. - I think it is wonderful you are reading Reformed Confessions from the 16th Century! Keep up the good work and don't become discouraged.
Dear mourner, Thanks for the response - I try to hold to historic Christianity and the Reformed Confessions of the 16th Century. Needless to say, I am still learning and do not have all the answers. Regarding Neil's most recent comment: "Has God really called Christian families to become like zoo exhibits to the world?" - Yes, He has... The Bible is full of examples. Perhaps it is time to once more read the Sermon on the Mount? Or review early Church history? We should all be boldly shining our "light" in this dark and depraved world.
Dear Mourner, I think extremism regarding theonomy is: 1. When one holds to the letter of the OT Law and leaves out the "spirit" or general equity of it. 2. When one holds to the ceremonial laws as well as the moral and judicial. The far left,IMO, (which I think is right)are those who think there are two kingdoms (one secular, the other spiritual) and the OT Judicial Laws are no longer applicable to society. They might also believe in women elders, pastors, etc. as well as women civil leaders. In summary, they have turned Scripture on its head. I hope you aren't in that camp.
Dear Mr. Neil, Enough of this slamming VF... For goodness sake, they did much good and I hope they will reconsider closing the ministry and continue serving Christian families. Also, I don't have access to the Duggars TV program, but it might be they are trying to be a Christian witness to the pagan death culture in America. Now if you'll excuse me, I am going to wave St. Andrew's flag, also known as the Flag of the Confederacy.
Well, stu, why don't you give us a run down on what God's Word says about "every other option" and the penalties? Frankly, the feminists in the church are using this as fodder for their war on male headship and giving live births. Why encourage Satan's work in destroying a man and his loved ones, plus a much needed ministry that taught men and women Biblical principles for the home?
In response to some of Neil's comments (I haven't read them all): First of all, there is very little public information available regarding Vision Forum and its founder's resignation - probably best to not speculate, spread false rumors or gossip as the good Lord denounces these activities. Secondly, theonomy isn't a dirty word and it simply means God's Law, which is what most Christians claim to love. Of course, one's beliefs will influence their behavior and since we aren't called to live in a bubble, our Christian beliefs will influence the culture for good. There are different shades of theonomy and as in all things, we should avoid extremism. The Westminster Confession gives good guidance on Christian ethics and the government. Hope this helps Neil and others he might have confused with his comments.
I realize there are godly people in the Chicago area, but frankly it is the "progressive" wicked liberals in Chicago who are foisting this wickedness upon us. I have no use at all for Gov. Quinn, Speaker Madigan or any of the other depraved politicians seeking to tyrannize tax paying citizens in our state. Please forgive my crude language, but I'm mad enough to spit and it's been awhile since I've reached this boiling point.
Dear Strat, I'm not certain I can answer your question in this format to your satisfaction, but I'll try to explain my comment more fully. I have found in my years of Christian activism that when the culture or earthly powers that be try to stamp out Christianity, God's people rise to the occasion and in doing so they bring glory to God. They do this by resisting the wicked - even if it means they suffer for it. I hope this helps explain my comment posted previously.
You're welcome Penny! Yesterday IL passed legislation making same-sex 'marriage' legal. In response, I have complete peace of mind because I know God has permitted this for His glory. I also have doubled my efforts at exposing and resisting evil - I'm not throwing in the towel. I'll go down fighting.
I don't want to sound insensitive, and the good Lord knows I've never experienced anything like the North Korean Christians do, but America just might begin persecuting us if we don't "resist evil." Our nation was founded by Christians (for the most part) to serve as a 'city shining on a hill.' Yes, God is all we need, but we also have a responsibility to do what we can to insure religious liberty and freedom for future generations; I truly worry about what the future holds for our children and grandchildren. May God help us to stand strong and not throw away what others have sacrificed to give us.
If these "pastorette's" are so happy serving in a man's role, then why do most of them have men's haircuts? And if this one sees no harm in women preaching sermons, why does she have tattoo's and language like a sailor? She clearly has an identity crisis and is to be pitied.
The church I belong to had been part of the apostate UCC (same denomination that produced Barak Obama) for fifty years and did not know how far from Scripture they had strayed. But once they found out, they left the denomination (2005) and are returning to Scripture and their Reformation roots.
Some folks in small town and rural America belong to historic churches that have united with apostate denominations (ex. UCC) and they aren't completely aware of how reprobate they've become (ex. frog in boiling water). So, while some of us are aware of who the apostates are, others need to be warned. SA isn't into sensationalism or publicity for reprobates, but they do provide this news service to keep us, their community of readers, informed. In conclusion: If you don't like an article posted - don't read it.