And I wonder what their reaction would be, can you imagine what their reaction would be? They would no doubt be horrified, but I think the question would be "How?"

Well, I'm downloading sermons on my Laptop, and will put them in my thumb drive, I think that's something that we all should do, because when the persecution hits, I'll still be able to listen to sermons.

I recommend going to www.biblicaltraining.com and downloading the zip files of various teachings. I've got lectures by Dr. Daniel Wallace. I've downloaded various sermons, and need to stay on top of that.

https://askdrbrown.org/library/detained-hours-police-men-spit-name-jesus-my-day-jerusalem

Concerning Pulpit and Pen, I will look into the critiques of Dr. Brown, because I don't believe everything Dr. Brown says or believes, but I know that God is using him, I can see that God has given him wisdom regarding the homosexual revolution, regarding doing apologetics towards Judaism, with engaging the culture, etc.

But the thing that grieved me, is that I thought you'd enjoy some of the stuff that Dr. Brown says about Israel, but you seemed to come back with an offensive attitude towards me,

"Are you not jealous for the brethren, be they Jew or Gentile that they be united, not by classism or racial hierarchies but rather by the Holy Spirit?"

That was highly offensive, I never classified anyone, I don't treat the church like that, if you read Dr. Brown's testimony & ministry you'd find out why it was relevant; you need to recant that statement, & you need to recant your statement regarding Edwards, MacArthur, etc.

Did you mean:

Jeremiah 1:5 KJV
"Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations."

You know, I wonder if persecuted Christians ever think of that, I think they couldn't care less, I think the Christians in North Korea would not mind having a baconator, or McNuggets, or a foot-long sub, and maybe some avacodo lime ranch dressing for their grilled cool wrap.

"Biblical constructs" I can't afford this 'Biblical Construct' and a great majority of Christians like myself cannot, I guess that means we're outside of biblical constructs.

I do want to address what John UK said, John, I reject your accusations that you made, I addressed what you said & then did a counter argument, I asked a lot of questions regarding you viewing logic as an enemy, because I wanted clarification.

I never went to a university, I did 1 year at a small IFB College. I learned logic primarily by my parents, & apologetic radio & debates.

As a Calvinist, I want to be a sharp tool in the hands of God, that's why I study. My vision is to see a holy and scholastic Christianity that is constantly striving to fulfill Deut. 6:5 & having an informed love of God.

But as far as you're hypothetical situation, Henry is smitten and aghast that he has sinned against God because that is the Holy Spirit's work.

As far as practicality, I'll give you two reasons.

1. Our view of God's grace and mercy.

God was in no way shape or form obligated to chose me, but He did, He chose me, He gave me faith and repentance, Jesus personally died for me.

2. Our Evangelism.

Since Calvinism holds to God chose His elect, Jesus died for His elect, and the Spirit seals the elect, Calvinists need not to trust in using gimmicks to save the lost (sinner's prayer, alter calls, watering down the gospel, trying to lure the youth in by entertainment, ect.) and we do not trust in our own eloquence to save the lost, rather it is solely the Spirit who shall convict the elect.

It affirms the literal interpretation of Genesis, and it deals with the issues regarding, "Did the author of the Pentateuch borrow from pagan religion?"

1. You said, "What's the use of discussing scripture with people who don't believe it? No thanks." This was in reference to the discussion of Calvinism.

2. Since you have the view that Calvinists don't believe in scripture, you have made an accusation against thousands of elders.

According to your own theology, it was because Ulysses was a little bit more sensitive, perhaps he wanted God a little bit more than Henry, he was more...

Concerning logic: God is perfectly logical, this is seen by His general revelation (His creation), and by special revelation (His word) His acts are perfectly logical (The punishment of Adam's race, Hell, Heaven, etc.)

Man also has logic because he was made in the image of God, man can reason and uses logic in the discovery of things, the building of things, etc. God created our minds to worship Him and to bring glory to Him, our prayers aught to be logical, for instance, It is illogical to ask God to give you a horse and for Him not to give you a horse. It's not logical, it's ridiculous.

In the church, there is to be a logical church government, it is against reason, logic, and wisdom to have a pastor do everything, he's going to wear out real soon.

I'll say more later, but John I am concerned for you, because if you don't do apologetics, then you are not defending the faith that was given to the saints, this topic will effect the way you interpret scripture, your worship of God, and your opportunity of glorifying God as much as possible.