I can see what you're getting at Mike, but the symbol has lost it's meaning in regards to what it once stood as, while it stood for freedom, honour and even pride (good pride) it is almost a tool of illusion. I'll go into further detail later, as for now, I've gotta clock in for work, but I'd like to go into this further.
Dave, there is a move of Christians over here that focus on American patriotism, this is a detriment to the church because often these people hate Muslims, they think every Muslim cannot be trusted and is a terrorist and any interaction with a Muslim (In respect of debates) is compromising.
As a Christian, and an American, I don't see why Christians regard the U.S. flag as a flag of freedom, because obviously America is not free, it is heading towards a totalitarian government, it's clear as day, the symbol has lost it's meaning.
The 17th Amendment lost its "authority" when over 3,000 unborn children are murdered each day, in 2014 almost 1,000,000 unborn babies were murdered.
The freedom of speech has been taken away, the right to bear arms has been taken away, and the right to refuse service to anyone has been taken away. In my opinion, people are trying to cleave to a symbol that has no meaning. My fellow Americans, preach the gospel while you can, because the day is approaching when it'll be illegal to preach the gospel.
There was a protest and a potential lawsuit against John Hopkins because their research showed that there is little evidence that people are born gay, and people were not happy.
Here we have a university, that is bringing back, "The dark ages" you're not allowed to know certain information, we don't grant you the right to investigate the things we believe, we dispense rights and knowledge as we please...that is the attitude that you get.
Watcher said, " I have researched the geocentric/globular evidence for many years and when I was introduced to the idea that we are living on a "flat" earth, I was shocked to hear biblically saved Christians believing such nonsense. I did read the book that goes with the link I posted earlier, and I hope you do as well. If you are not afraid of learning and realizing that you might be wrong, then please download the book and learn."
Didn't you just prove my point? And what was your reply when I pointed out the logical conclusion of your statement? You said " It seems to me Connor that you are more interested in straining at gnats rather than engaging in fruitful dialogue."
Watcher, you're not really being honest, in fact you're slandering me, mocking me, falsely accusing me, and lying to me...and you think you are engaging in "fruitful dialogue"? Why? Why this attack on me?
I don't really care if the earth is a thin cylinder, a cube, or a zebra, I want to know why you are smearing my name in the mud, did I do something to you? If I wronged you, show me what I did and I'll repent.
Watcher, I'm not straining a gnat, it's analyzing someone's statement and seeing the logical consequences, I was taught the importance of wording things by my dad, he introduced me into the world of apologetics, in apologetics you have to worry about the way you phrase things as I'm somewhat sure you know.
I taught a creation seminar today, afterwards someone asked about why people were going to the flat earth position, you know what I said? I said, "I think some of them have a high view of scripture, and they want to be faithful to the word of God, but I think they're misinterpreting scripture" (I ultimately admitted that I don't know the exact reason the theory is gaining popularity.)
And please, and I'll say this trying to be careful, please don't call me your friend when you twist my words, assault my character, and mock me, it's insulting. If you treat a "dear friend" like that, there's a problem.
I did not claim I have a monopoly on truth, and your statement insinuates that you believe that I'm afraid of learning and even admitting when I'm wrong...but according to you, I'm once again straining a gnat, swallowing a camel, and don't want meaningful dialogue.
Must be why I was trying to dialogue with people who cursed at me, called me a homosexual, and saying
Watcher, certainly you see the error in your statement, " Anyone interested in a frank and objective study..." That means if I don't click on it and read it, I'm then not interested in a frank and objective study.
This is the kind of statements you made on the other thread, can you see that?
So it's my fault that I'm offended, and therefore it'll be my fault if this conversation goes no where? That's confusing, because I'm pretty sure A = B = W.
Watcher, in Romans I think Paul is pointing towards the evidence that man is justified before God, and in James, James talks about "justification" before man I.E. good fruit, lasting fruit.
And you're either directly or indirectly accusing me of having a strong bias, the fact of the matter is I listened to both of those videos before this came up, I rarely listen to MacArthur, I don't have his study bible, I have read only 2 of his books, etc.
I don't recall the exact date God saved me. I had an intellectual understanding of the gospel but not a heart understanding.
And Ladybug I am not singing the praises of popular men, I'm sorry if you think that. Watcher said, " Anyone who has been genuinely saved knows he's saved." So all the Christians who have doubts whether they are saved...apparently aren't saved? That's the logical conclusion of your argument.
Concerning the opinions of pastors ladybug, he was doing a Q&A, I don't think he was being dogmatic, he wasn't in the pulpit teaching, it seems like you're saying a layman can have an opinion about the text, but a pastor cannot, can you justify that claim?
Why aren't these kids afraid of kindergarten teachers teaching transgenderism...oh wait, they aren't allowed to fear that, nor homosexuals, nor Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, abortionists, etc.
P.S. I'm part Mexican and do not fear Trump...I guess I'm not Mexican enough.
I hope I wasn't having a mocking attitude, my brother says that sometimes I am sarcastic without knowing it, if that was the case, please forgive me. I do like to hear from the other side, late last month I listened to a flat earther (YouTube) and have wanted to see evidence of a flat earth so I can analyze it. I'm for truth and against error.
In fact, I'm going to read various things starting next year of things I don't believe, just to understand their position.
I don't think I said jmac is infallible, Watcher, all you did is make an assertion against me, with no foundation for that assertion, you didn't say, "And here's my foundation for that assertion" nothing at all.
you don't even address the idea that it was an intellectual understanding vs a heart understanding. And when you mention the mark of the beast, it was a hypothetical situation that was posed to him and I believe he just gave his opinion.