I asked an atheist if he really believed that we came from martins like Bill Nye says, or that we are children of the sun like Neil deGrasse Tyson says, or that Nothing is something like Laurence Krauss says...I'm still waiting for a response, I'll have to wait and see if he responds, he probably won't, they can't admit that they have blind faith in a senseless theory.
If you haven't noticed, Times have changed, judges can now make laws, and executive orders didn't exist until the 16th president. All it takes is a flow of executive orders to reverse what Washington did and send us down the line of Stalin and Hitler.
And there wasn't laws that allowed legal murder of its citizens in Washington's time.
So...your case is if it's from a famous person it's a valid argument? You've gotta have someone paying you to say this nonsense...and you still haven't responded to my question.
And why should you object to abortion being in healthcare? According to your theology it's better that they are butchered because hey they'll go to Heaven. And you go even a step further and say that abortion should be legalized, so what is this babble that you're speaking?
Jim that's such a lame response, I asked you to tell me of a good argument, this was your reply, " For one thing it's Christian and for another it just benefits the country."
That's a pretty good mantra, without any scripture to back it up, "love your neighbor as yourself" does not mean "leave all sense of reason when trying to help others"
"It just benefits the country" so it benefits the country to encourage its citizens to live as recklessly as possible and have everyone pay for other people's medical problems that they inflicted upon themselves...who paid you to regurgitate this idea?
Jim I want you to tell me why I should pay for someone else's health problems. I want to hear a good arguments for this, because in a society where there are an abundance of drunkards, fornicaters, people who smoke, etc.
Why should I pay for their ailments that they brought upon themselves?
J4J, you said you don't like making assumptions when reading the Bible, do you assume that it is logical, inspired, infallible, etc.? But even so you're missing the point, everyone, except Jesus, has always turned aside, they've despised God, no ordinary human has ever been able to not rebel against God, it is human nature.
You don't need to teach a child to lie, complain, steal, ect. It comes naturally, what doesn't come naturally is perfect obedience, it is foreign to mankind.
But if Jesus was not fully human, Hebrews 4:15 is a lie, how could He be tempted in all points as we were if not fully human? James 1:14-15 is not helping your case because in context it's talking about a person who has sinned.
Now we agree that aborted babies and mentally handicapped people (like autism) go to Heaven, because Jesus covers their sin or sin nature, without holiness no man can see God and even the aborted babies need the righteousness of Jesus to stand before God and I believe that Jesus does clothe them in His righteousness.
2) Mary was only a surrogate mother, which goes against everything I have believed about Jesus being fully God and fully man.
3) We have one, but it doesn't make us a sinner until we fulfill the lust there of. So Jesus was born with temptations and desires to sin like we do but without sinning.
John, let me try to address these:
1.) Read Romans 3:10-18, it assumes we have a sin nature.
2.) Jesus had to be fully man, for He was the second Adam, and He had to be fully God, because if He was not fully God than the implications change (or could change) your view of the Trinity, that is to say the very nature of God is at risk, is there three gods? Is the Father more glorious than the Son?
It would be a disruption within the Trinity if He was not fully God, He could not bear the wrath of God if He was not fully God, He could not forgive sin if He was not fully God, for it would be blasphemy to say, "Thy sins be forgiven" when you don't have all authority in Heaven and Earth to do so.
3.) To say that Jesus had desires to sin, would to say He sinned, for a desire to sin comes, not from a pure heart, but an impure heart.
May God give you wisdom concerning this issue, I pray that you'll get this resolved according to what the scr
I'm late to the party on this, but I'll add a thought, the Pharisees, Sadducies, scribes, never challenged Jesus concerning His lineage, now they weren't stupid, no doubt they examined the records, but they never challenged Him on the point.
Now, that tells me that they knew why the argument was weak and never brought it up.
John UK, you've got a false analogy and a strawman, a false analogy in that you're trying to use a comparison using unbelievers when the discussion is about believers.
And the strawman is that you say I'm justifying people wearing jeans. based on what they do (along those lines) however I never said they were justified, so you're attacking a strawman.
" A young couple are walking down the road. They are both wearing jeans and a T shirt, their hair length is the same. Can we refer to them as godly (in the sense of obedient to God in respect of dress), despite the fact that there is no difference between them in what they wear?"
I would not make a hasty judgment on them based on their appearance, I would try to get to know them, they may have a greater relationship with God than I do, they are still my brother and sister in Christ, I'm still to pray with them, I'm still to encourage them.
Hey Kev, hope everything is going well in San Diego. J4J, I've personally known people with autism, and I try to be as involved as I can in the pro-life message, and I believe that God covers their sin.
And Kev I thank you for affirming that, I've heard where Christian college professors taught that aborted babies go to Hell and I strongly disagree.