A bit of trivia that can still add to the USA Today article, because that article is still there.
Robinson Meyer wrote: .... These holidays have a lot in common: They share themes of liberation and triumph; they both involve buying a lot of eggs; they were both a pretty big deal for Jesus. This year, they also overlap. Passoverâ€™s week-long festival begins on the night of April 19, while Easter falls on Sunday, April 21. And this makes sense: In the Gospels, the existential drama of Easter happens against the backdrop of Passover. Yet about 15 percent of the time, the two holidays actually occur a month apart.
What causes this mismatch? ...
excerpt from, "The Ancient Math That Sets the Date of Easter and Passover "
John Lee wrote: JT, Jesus celebrated the passover every year for about 33 years. Luke 2:41 KJV (41)Â Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover. It was at such a passover, that he taught us to make use of the bread and wine in order to remember him in his death. .. Note, Exodus 12:14 KJV (14)Â And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever. Called the feast of unleavened bread. Compare with 1 Cor 5:8, Therefore let us keep the feast.....
He did indeed observe the Passover for about 33 years, being under the law until the cross, when he became the Passover. What was it he said about remembrance?
1 Cor 11:24,25 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
Where is biblical warrant to remember the OC Passover? No longer remembering delivery from Egypt to a promised land, but delivery from sin by and to a person.
The social architecture of most western countries believe that if you have a liberal abortion policy, there will be less crimes as trans generational criminal activity began with an outlaw grandfather who begot a outlaw son who begot an outlaw daughter who aborted her future outlaw children. The idea that this works best in African American neighborhoods is no reflection on the liberal social architecture of what progressives think about people of culture. So you go with your social architectural thesis, no man has a soul as there is no God. That is the worldâ€™s answer to sin ... without a cross, a tomb or a Risen Savior.
From article:- ""These legal rights will also allow the government to regulate and tax the groups, said Lino CĂˇrdenas, president of the constitutional committee of Boliviaâ€™s chamber of deputies.
â€śChurches have the full right to profess the faith but they also have obligations before the state, which must regulate them to ensure that the population is not deceived,â€ť he said.""
Oh Goody!! The Government will 'regulate' the churches??
That should have interesting consequences!!
Acts 5:28 Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us. 29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men."
John, you seem to be missing the good Dr.'s point. You carry a leather-bound Bible made by things non-existent in Biblical times (they only had hand copied scrolls and certainly few had entire Bibles) where is you warrant in the Bible to carry the specific one you use? Where is the warrant as to how people are assembled? Are you in a circle, are. you separated by gender, does the teacher sit and the congregants stand or vice-versa? None of the attire you wear was around at the time of the apostles. Should you find outfits that mimic their time? He is saying not all things have specific commandments or restrictions in the Word of God. You have to use Biblical principles to govern these things not very specific Biblical warrant.
B. McCausland wrote: 1. How then eggs, rabbits, carrots and chickens have become emblems associated with a festival of the plan of redemption or of a resurrected Saviour? 2. The Israel calendar and the church calendar are two different things. The first was God-ordained for the instructing of the oncoming redemption through Christ by which all is fulfilled. The second is man made. 3. No church should come under to the first, less we think in reverse as judaisers, and much less under the man-made. 4. The Passover is fulfilled in Christ whose remembrance is the Lord's table.
Sister B, good to hear from you.
1. Good question. Bro US maybe has an answer to that.
2. Absolutely yes to that statement!
3. It seems to make sense, and is commonly thought true. But then, are we saying that the apostles were still figuring these things out after Pentecost and beyond? And that their involvement with some of the rituals would eventually cease?
4. At the Lord's Table we are remembering our Passover Lamb slain for us; and not only for us, but for all the saints, even from the OT times. I am seeing this as a yearly remembrance at the moment, sister, just as Passover always has been.
Poor ole Archbishop can't trust 'his god' to keep the planet going until the end!!
"We believe that responding to climate change is an essential part of our responsibility to safeguard God's creation. Our environmental campaign exists to enable the whole church to address - in faith, practice and mission - the issue of climate change. "Reducing the causes of climate change is essential to the life of faith. It is a way to love our neighbour and to steward the gift of creation." (Justin Welby, Archbishop of Canterbury)
Meanwhile.... GOD teaches:- Gen 8:21 And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done. 22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease."
""Many other proud socialists, communists, and globalists have also called for using the man-made global-warming hypothesis to transform the world.""
On the other hand....
"The biblical history of the earth, contained in the first 11 chapters of the book of Genesis, provides a useful and sufficient framework for evaluating the current global warming issue. As we have seen, CO2 is a natural atmospheric gas that is essential for manâ€™s existence. It is not a pollutant. The atmosphere is likely deficient in CO2 compared with the original created atmosphere. Reducing CO2 would definitely create problems, but increasing it will not. Burning fossil fuels merely returns CO2 to its place of origin. Forests are to be used for manâ€™s benefit. They are not needed to produce O2 and they have no intrinsic rights, but should be managed responsibly and effectively.
Basic science is consistent with the biblical history and argues strongly against the global warming hypothesis." (Rod Martin)
Dr. Tim, we no longer live in the 1600s and the threat we face now are Muslims that have branched off into terrorism. Easter is being celebrated and churches attacked. One todayâ€™s news talked about was shown with at least 100 people dead with white cloth over them. There were many others attacked as well. Instead of attacking each other maybe we need to hold each other up in prayer.
Dr. Tim wrote: There is no biblical warrant for the extrabiblical imposition of an artificial requirement that everything we do have a specific biblical warrant.
Bro Tim, here you are at odds with scripture, such that you are at odds with God himself. In the OT, God commanded his people to observe the passover once a year. Correct? Yes, you agree.
But are you aware that if any of God's people refused to observe the passover, they were to be cut off from their people? Yes. This is why it is serious, and you ought to take it seriously.
Did God give instructions for worship? Yes he did, and you agree. And what happened to Nadab and Abihu when they decided to worship in a way devised by themselves? Yes, the Lord took their young lives away in an instant. Aaron their father knew what they had done, and he "held his peace". Is that serious enough?
It is not for us to debate what we should do as Christians. That produces man-made religion. We are to obey God in his word in all things. In other words, we are to say, "Jesus is Lord" and actually mean it. Many call him Lord, Lord, and yet not do what he says. It is like a man building his house on sand, and we know what happens then, don't we?
Thanks US, Watcher...good to hear from you. I think many people often tend to set their sights on the horror of the crucifixion itself, while being oblivious to the realities of all that He had to endure, leading up to it. He could have walked away at any time, and with a righteous anger, said, "Enough!", to a world gone bad, and to the very humans that He, himself created, and who were tormenting, abusing, beating, and about to murder, for no good reason.
Everything He went through makes our own complaints and life travails seem insignificant, and even, laughable, as if most of us even know what real suffering and personal sacrifice are.
John Lee wrote: 1. a pagan festival not being hijacked for the Christian church.
2. ... "If Jesus is the Head of his church, where is the instruction to celebrate Easter or do anything different?" As I see it, there is not one verse which gives warrant to celebrate Easter (Palm Sunday, Good Friday, Resurrection Day etc.). Whereas there is most certainly warrant to celebrate not only the passover, but also the subsequent feast of unleavened bread, which lasted several days I believe.
1. How then eggs, rabbits, carrots and chickens have become emblems associated with a festival of the plan of redemption or of a resurrected Saviour?
2. The Israel calendar and the church calendar are two different things. The first was God-ordained for the instructing of the oncoming redemption through Christ by which all is fulfilled. The second is man made. No church should come under to the first, less we think in reverse as judaisers, and much less under the man-made.
The Passover is fulfilled in Christ whose remembrance is the Lord's table.
Psalms 7:17 KJV (17)Â I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
Psalms 34:1 KJV (1)Â I will bless the LORD at all times: his praise shall continually be in my mouth. [note, continually]
Psalms 100:4 KJV (4)Â Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.
Psalms 107:8 KJV (8)Â Oh that men would praise the LORD for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men!
I see so few men praising God. Bro, I am glad you are a praising believer. I used to praise the Lord so much that my church censured me and stopped me praising. They just don't like it. But an Easter program, oh they get into that all right. Christmas celebrations, yea and amen. Pentecost, oh so cool. Quizzes and games after church, yazoom. Barby anyone?
And still they say, "My church is great, we're doing fine, our worship is good, we honour God, the children love it, Jesus is our Head, and on and on and on."
"Oh and let's get a louder drum kit, a bigger PA system!"
Brother, you'll not convince me that so many churches are thinking people. Rather, they just go with the flow, even downhill.
There is no biblical warrant for the extrabiblical imposition of an artificial requirement that everything we do have a specific biblical warrant. There is, however, a biblical warrant for the organization of a church with bishops, deacons and saints. There is no biblical warrant for a rulerless hodgepodge of Christians to gather in a barn and have a roundtable discussion. There is a biblical mandate for preaching and teaching by a pastor who is called and gifted to teach. Do we demand a biblical warrant when others are not doing things the way we like to have them done, and dismiss the need for a biblical warrant when we ourselves want to do things that seem a bit unorthodox? Apparently so.
No verse to talk about celebrating the resurrection?? Read John 20 and note what happened in verse 20. See the words of the Emmaus road disciples who said the Lord is risen indeed!! Note what Paul says if there is no resurrection we are of all men most miserable
Read the many references in Acts and the Epistles to His resurrection and then tell me there is no verses that warrant its celebration
Great and solemn points brother Christopher. We will spend eternity praising the Lsmb that was slain Who redeemed us unworthy ones.
John it is everyday we walk in newness of life in honor of His resurrection. It is everyday we thank Him for leaving the glories of heaven to take on flesh. It is everyday we praise, honor, and worship our great High Priest who ever lives to make intercession for us. It is everyday we live for Him who died for us. No special day is needed for walking with and living for our precious Savior. It is good if Christians spend time in contemplation our Lordâ€™s death, burial, and resurrection. We should rejoice in Gethsemene, Gabbatha, Golgotha, the grave, His Glorious resurrection, and His Great High Priestly ministry.
Certainly, he has steered clear Jesus! John 5:21-31 For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son also gives life to whom he desires. For the Father judges no one, but he has given all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He who doesnâ€™t honor the Son doesnâ€™t honor the Father who sent him. â€śMost certainly I tell you, he who hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life, and doesnâ€™t come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Most certainly I tell you, the hour comes, and now is, when the dead will hear the Son of Godâ€™s voice; and those who hear will live. For as the Father has life in himself, even so he gave to the Son also to have life in himself. He also gave him authority to execute judgment, because he is a son of man. Donâ€™t marvel at this, for the hour comes in which all who are in the tombs will hear his voice, and will come out; those who have done good, to the resurrection of life; and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment. I can of myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous; because I donâ€™t seek my own will, but the will of my Father who sent me. â€śIf I testify about myself, my witness is not valid.
Christopher000 wrote: In Jesus' day, whipping (flogging), was the normal pre-punishment before those sentenced to death were led to be crucified. Everyone should know exactly how a crucifixion works, along with the pain, and what it does to the body, etc., but I think a lot of people view the sort of whipping that was done in those days, as being comparable to how we might see someone being whipped in a movie or something. Flogging back then was horrific, and the reason only a certain number of lashes were allowed was to keep the person alive long enough to be crucified. https://www.bible-history.com/past/flagrum.html Jesus suffered horribly, before He was ever even nailed to that cross, and hoisted up. He was beaten, bruised, flogged, humiliated, mocked, spat upon, laughed at, and tormented in every conceivable way...for us.
Sobering words dear friend. Because of us. Sigh...