You said,

"There was no apparent indication given by either of you that you were only speaking of "Sanctification" in the above statements."

My first comment on the topic was addressed to you and Abigail prior to those statements made. Please read my quotes.

8/16/07 9:37 AM

"Christ is the believer's righteousness and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags in the sight of God. Those who are in Christ will be justified, sanctified and glorified. These bodies in Christ will be glorified when this corruptible will put on incorruption."

8/16/07 2:34 PM

"It is Christ's righteousness that we need who justifies and sanctifies His people and makes them righteous."

I based these comments on 1 Corinthians 1:30 and others.

Matthew Henry comments on 1 Cor. 1:30

"Observe, Where Christ is made righteousness to any soul, he is also made sanctification. He never discharges from the guilt of sin, without delivering from the power of it; and he is made righteousness and sanctification, that he may in the end be made complete redemption, may free the soul from the very being of sin, and loose the body from the bonds of the grave: and what is designed in all is that all flesh may glory in the Lord".

Quote: "Thank you for your post on Infused Righteousness. I did not know what it meant."

Your welcome. I had to refresh myself on what infused righteousness was because it was some time ago when I first learned about it.

Wayne was presumptuous in his accusations based on a dictionary definition of infuse and not on the theological term of infused righteousness. Wayne was also describing justification, which I agree with what he stated in the imputation of Christ's righteousness.

I am describing sanctification that happens to the child of God in Christ through the Holy Spirit. Also mortification would fall into this category.

2 Peter 3:17-18

I used that quote from Theopedia to define infused righteousness to show Alan and Wayne that I do not believe in the Roman Catholic Pelagian teaching.

If you mean where the quote states "faith", I believe faith is a gift of God and that salvation is conditioned in Christ alone and not of works.

I never stated I believe in infused righteousness, so please don't imply that I do when I said I don't three times now.

The Scriptures teach the imputation of Christ's righteousness in justification. I support this. I am speaking of SANCTIFICATION! There is a BIG difference.

Theopedia

"Infused righteousness refers to the Roman Catholic concept of Justification, i.e. right standing before God. In this view, justification is seen as a "process" rather than the Protestant view of Justification as a once in time forensic declaration by God. Roman Catholicism maintains that the righteousness of the saints and of Christ is gradually "infused" into the believer through the sacraments. For the Catholic, infused righteousness either gradually dissipates as the believer takes part in worldly sins or is enhanced by good works. If the believer dies without having the fullness of righteousness, coming in part from the last rites, he or she will temporarily spend time in purgatory until the sinful status is purged from his or her record.

You have misunderstood me. I believe in the imputed righteousness of Christ and that salvation is in Christ alone and not of works. I am not against what you have said.

I quoted Romans 8:29 not as a reference for the doctrine of imputed righteousness, but for sanctification after justification has taken place.

We are now discussing how God purifies His people through sanctification and makes them righteous in Christ.

1 Corinthians 1:30,31

I believe the Scriptures teach Christ's imputed righteousness and not infused righteousness. When a person is in Christ, they are conformed more and more into His image in the process of sanctification, but it is always Christ's imputed righteousness that makes the Christian righteous before God by grace through faith.

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
(Romans 8:29)

You stated, "Many people try to pervert the Scriptures by calling obedience "filthy rags"."

I did not associate obedience with righteousness. Although to be obedient is a part of righteousness, righteousness in all its glory entails so much more. The scripture says righteousness. Why did the prophet include himself in the verse?

"But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away." Isaiah 64:6

It is because thats what we are by nature, sinful to the core. We are sin even when we don't commit sin. Sin is who we are, we were born in sin and shapen in iniquity. It is Christ's righteousness that we need who justifies and sanctifies His people and makes them righteous.

1 John 1:7-10

By the grace of God, His people will strive to be holy and obey God, but Christ is the believer's righteousness and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags in the sight of God. Those who are in Christ will be justified, sanctified and glorified. These bodies in Christ will be glorified when this corruptible will put on incorruption. A corruptible body does not speak of sinlessness.

1 Corinthians 1:30,31

"But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord."

Romans 8:30

"Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified."

1 Corinthians 15:52-54

When do you meet and worship with fellow saints in a public gathering?

The NT Christians appeared to have met on the first day of the week as mentioned in the Scriptures.

Before the Mosaic law Abraham gave a tenth of all he had.

Do you not give part of your substance unto the Lord?

We delight in the Lord's Day Sabbath and I thank God for that blessed day of rest in Him for it does my soul very good.

As Christians in Christ we are no longer under the curse of the law. However, the law of God is not a drudgery either but a delight to the people of God. The law does NOT save a soul.

Outside of Christ you are under the curse of the law for it is expected of you to keep it to the full, but since all are born in sin that is impossible. Therefore, those outside of Christ will be judged by the law of God for their trespasses and sins committed.

You stated, "The ten commandments were never meant to be taken in isolation as many christians do. "

Then why did Christ summarize the law as follows:?

1."Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment." Matthew 27:37,38

Quote:"Regarding my comment that Christianity is a fake-i think you only have to look at the subjects discussed on these forums to question this..."

You speak as one with authority on the topic, but I don't think you are correct.

The sabbath is a creation ordinance.

The sabbath is also included in the ten commandments.

"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy."
(Exodus 20:8-11)

Christ who is the Lord of the Sabbath Day and who is worshipped on the Lord's Day made a summary of the law as follows:

1."Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment." Matthew 27:37,38

2."And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself." Matthew 27:39

It is the grace of God imparted on His people that they delight in the sabbath and worship the Lord God of heaven.

The term Christian is mentioned in the NT Scriptures and to be called one is not wrong in the site of God.

"And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch."
(Act 11:26)

True Christianity is an adherence to the Scriptures alone who follow after Jesus Christ who is the Saviour and redeemer of His people. The Gentiles know Yashua to be Jesus. If we call him Jesus, God knows we refer to the Christ. It is God who knows the hearts of men.

In regards to the Sabbath you stated,

"This is stupid-the sabbath is friday night until Saturday (Sundown). I shop on Sunday as a protest against Constantines meddling. G-d never instructed a change of sabbath day-it has always been and always will be Fri-Sat."

Christ rose again on the first day of the week who is Lord of the sabbath day and the Christians gathered on the first day of the week and broke bread."

"And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
(Act 20:7)

Quote: "I thought one became a Christian when God called you by His grace and we received the free gift of salvation by faith in Christ Jesus."

I agree, no contention here. Every true child of God acknowledges that he is saved by grace in Christ and not of themselves. These are the doctrines of grace sometimes called "Calvinism".

The term calvinism has many connotations attached to it and not all calvinists agree with each other. I prefer not to be called after a man's name but simply state that I adhere to the doctrines of grace.

Quote: "The Word of God does not contradict itself. Are we to place our faith iand trust in what the scripture says or what man thinks the scripture says."

We are to place our faith and trust solely in what the Scriptures say. If a Christian man writes literature which is agreeable to Scripture then I will read it, if not, I avoid it.