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Is the gift of an apostle still valid today?
Created: 3/2/2006 | Last Vote: 4 years ago | Comment: 11 years ago
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Survey11/11/08 1:13 PM
St Jeremiah | Salt Lake City, UT  Contact via emailGo to homepageFind all comments by St Jeremiah
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Apostle means "sent ones"...today they are called missonaries....who are sent based on the model in Acts 13:1-3

As to the "gifts of the apostles" this is as God detemines...see 1 Corinthians 12:11


Survey4/25/07 3:55 AM
Bret Carpenter | Mexico  Contact via emailFind all comments by Bret Carpenter
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Bamaboy is correct up to a point when he wrote: As for, 1Co 13:9-10, how can that be the Bible?........ All those gifts are “For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:”?They were to continue until…? Look at verse 13. This “perfecting” will go on until “we all come to unity of the faith;”

But if you check his comments with JD's teaching: "The qualifications of an apostle are given in acts..." I believe one can arrive at a correct understanding.

There are certainly no new Apostles today but we still have the gift of the Apostles.

Whithout getting into all the obvious problems and contradictions with the notion that there are new Apostles today let me state that we certainly do have the gift of the Apostles today in the Scriptures themselves.

Luke 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.


Survey9/2/06 7:26 PM
Lytienne | peace  
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The covenants with Abraham, Moses and David are administrations of that covenant. There is thus a harmony in God's dealings with His people in all ages. The covenant with Moses and the children of Israel was a fulfilling of the covenant with Abraham (Exod. 6:4-8), and the "new covenant" of the New Testament was the fulfilling of the covenant promises to Abraham (Luke 1:55,73; Gal. 3:15,16). What was in the bud in the covenant with Abraham is now in full flower."

Shalom.


Survey9/2/06 7:23 PM
Lytienne | peace  
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C.H. Spurgeon said: "It has so pleased God to arrange it that He will not deal with us except through a covenant, nor can we deal with Him except in the same manner." The truth of this will be seen if we survey His dealings. When God created man He entered into a covenant with him, promising life on condition of perfect obedience. This covenant is sometimes called the covenant of life, because it promised life, and sometimes the covenant of works, because it demanded obedience. This covenant Adam broke and the penalty of death fell upon him and his descendants whom he represented. But immediately after the fall, trace of another covenant begins to appear — the covenant of grace. The seed of the woman is to bruise the serpent's head, and from Adam's race there will be those linked with God and at enmity with Satan (Gen. 3:15). The covenants with Abraham, Moses and David are not still other covenants — different from the covenant of grace. The covenant of grace is essentially the same in all ages, though the form of its administration may vary.

Survey8/31/06 7:58 AM
karl | melbourne  
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Cont
I thought Catholicism was satanic for years but if you actually look at it openly with no prejudice, which is very hard to do because we all have prejudice, it makes sense.
If it is outright rubbish how could such great intellectual giants like GK Chesterton,Tolkien, Bishop Newmann of Anglicanism convert and be ardent believers. Please dont say Satanic deception as thats a copout.
One thing I have come to see clearly is that the modern evangelical/protestant church is not similiar to the church I see described by the fathers-beginning with Clement of Rome through to Augustine and the later fathers.The centre of worship was the communion!
I will continue to study, because I wish to know who is really the successor of the apostles.

Regards

Karl


Survey8/31/06 7:51 AM
karl | melbourne  
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I do not believe the office of apostle is for today.

This will upset many and probably attract scorn but I say the following after much thnking-although I have not come to a final decision yet.

I have been protestant for 18 years but overwhelmingly dissillusioned with the myriad of interpretations of scripture leading to doctrinal mess in protestantism.

Shock horror- I have been seriously studying the early church fathers and especially the ante nicene fathers.

I am horrified by what I read. I see a early church more resemblant of Roman Catholicism-that is overwhelming writings confirming:
# real prescense in eucharist
# eucharist is a memorial sacrifice/oblation
# prayers for dead
# allusions to purgatory
# honour and leadership of Rome.

Could it be that the apostolic officce ,not successor to apostles, is the Catholic Church.
If as Catholicism claims , Christ has commissioned her to guard the truth and be the interpretor of scripture, that would be common sense.

The reformation was split-ie Luther believed in a sort of real prescense-Calvin did not.
Luther tried to remove 4 new testament books /Calvin didnt.
It seems the Catholic church is unchanged?
Im not a catholic-yet. Please dont abuse and heap scorn -

Regards

Lkarl


Survey8/25/06 2:01 PM
Concerned | USA  
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Bamaboy,

You are not an apostle. I think you have a demonic spirit and you seriouly twist the precious words of the Bible.


Survey4/10/06 6:46 AM
Linton M. Smith Jr. | Forestdale, Alabama  
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I think we have strayed far from the topic. I have two observations about some of you who are most dogmatic and prolific contributors. (1) You cannot stay on the subject, but always gravitate back to one or another of several doctrinal issues. (2) Some cannot discuss scripture without throwing a commentary at us. Can we no discuss what the scriptures say, without hearing what the commentators say about what God said? Maybe you just know the commentaries, but don't know the Bible.

Survey4/2/06 1:39 PM
JD  
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Benito

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Survey4/2/06 1:35 PM
JD  
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Walt,

"You are diametrically opposed to any Calvinist like Spurgeon in terms of predestination, election, salvation, form of worship and providence."

In case you have forgotten, or just didn't know, the gospel is the foundation of Christianity! Why would I not oppose someone who denies the foundation and lays another? I am surprised you are not in agreement with me. Pre-selection is a different foundation, my confused friend!

1Co 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [stone];

The building began with him when he was laid in the earth as the chief corner stone and the building began to be built, first the apostles and then the Jewish believers, then the gentile believers and it remains as a work in progress through today, but the building will soon be complete and Jesus will come for it at the gathering together of all believers in Christ, living and dead, in heaven and in earth to be in glory with Christ.

Can you say "Amen"?


Survey4/2/06 12:21 PM
Benito  
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JD
Here is the info on doctrine you require.
"special significance to the rites of Baptism and Eucharist. Baptism is sacramental entry into Christian life, and the Eucharist is a memorial of Christ's death and resurrection in which he is believed to be sacramentally present. The Eucharist is celebrated daily in the Roman Catholic church. Catholics also regard as Sacraments the forgiveness of sins in reconciliation with the church (Confession), ordination to ministry (Holy Orders), marriage of Christians, postbaptismal anointing (Confirmation), and the Anointing of the Sick."

As you can see it confirms what you are posting in similitude to your own teaching.


Survey4/2/06 10:09 AM
Walt | Michigan  
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RUTHERFORD, SAMUEL
A Survey of the Spiritual Antichrist (1648)

Also contains Rutherford's "A brotherly and free Epistle to the patrons and friends of pretended Liberty of Conscience."

Putting this work into its context, James Clark, in The Life and Works of Samuel Rutherford (in the chapter titled "Antinomianism") writes,

"This is another main controversy into which Samuel Rutherford entered. The term 'Antinomian" signifies one who is 'against God's Law'. The Antinomians were a major sect in the 1640's. They denounced as 'Legalists' the Christians who, like Paul, 'serve the law of God' (Rom. 7:25). They asserted that grace removes the Law out of the Christian's life, as absolutely as it does out of his salvation.

This dangerous heresy, which is still popular, makes it no fault to disobey God's Moral Law, and turn grace into wantonness. Rutherford mentioned this heresy in several of his works before publishing in 1648 his SURVEY OF THE SPIRITUAL ANTICHRIST, written specifically against the Antinomians.

The subtlety of Antinomians is that they oppose the use of the Law as a positive standard for holy living in the name of the Gospel! The Apostle Paul repudiated this error in Rom. 3:31; 6:1,2; Gal. 5:13" (p. 52).


Survey4/2/06 10:06 AM
Walt | Michigan  
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RUTHERFORD, SAMUEL
A Free Disputation Against Pretended Liberty of Conscience (1649 edition)

Rutherford's Free Disputation, though scarce (with maybe only a few copies of the actual book left in existence), is still one of his most important works.

Though Rutherford is affectionately remembered in our day for his Letters, or for laying the foundations of constitutional government (against the divine right of kings) in his unsurpassed Lex Rex, his Free Disputation should not be overlooked -- for it contains the same searing insights as Lex, Rex. In fact, this book should probably be known as Rutherford's "politically incorrect" companion volume to Lex, Rex. A sort of sequel aimed at driving pluralists and antinomians insane."


Survey4/2/06 9:59 AM
Walt | Michigan  
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Cont.,

Dodds adds this testimony,

"Last fatal sign that the ancient spirit and the freedom of Scotland were about to disappear under a total eclipse, the Kirk hitherto impregnable, unyielding Kirk, stooped down from her old height and emitted Resolutions in favour of those proceedings of the royalists. Against these Resolutions, a large, bold, fierce minority headed by James Guthrie of Stirling protested that the principles of the Covenant should be maintained" (Ibid.).

Finally, Johnston writes,

"Durham's last treatise had reference to the 'scandalous divisions' thus created, and what is particularly noticeable is the circumstance that David Dickson's last hours were embittered by the recollection of his short-sightedness in adopting these Resolutions. ***To a lady who visited him on his death-bed he said, 'Madam, I must confess, the Protesters have been truer prophets than we were'***" (Idib.) 20 pages.


Survey4/2/06 9:59 AM
Walt | Michigan  
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SAMUEL RUTHERFORD, JAMES GUTHRIE, WILLIAM GUTHRIE, ROBERT TRAIL, JAMES NISBET, & NUMEROUS OTHER PROTESTERS
A Protest Against the Unlawful, Unfree and Unjust Assembly of the Resolutioners (1652)

Hewison writes of this paper,

"(t)he Protesters compeared (at the pretended assembly of the Resolutioners--RB) to lodge a protestation subscribed by 63 ministers and 80 laymen, who declared the Assembly to be 'unlawful, unfrie, and unjust.' The Assembly threatened them with discipline" (The Covenanters, vol. 2, p. 43).

Rutherford and the other Protesters held their ground and refused to have ecclesiastical fellowship with the backsliding, covenant-breaking Resolutioners -- a lesson on faithful biblical separation that has long since been forgotten.

This work gives us a little slice of the Protesters views during this most important period of controversy in the Church of Scotland: for as Anderson notes,

"(f)uture events showed the impolicy of these Resolutions. The men who were admitted by them into places of power and trust in the army and state, became, as the Protesters always predicted, the persecutors of the Church. Had the counsels of the Protesters prevailed, the twenty-eight years' persecution might not have existed" (cited in Treasury of the Scottish Covenant, p. 120).


Survey4/2/06 7:49 AM
Walt | Michigan  
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JD,

I have to chuckle sometimes with your comments. Like most modern day evangelical and fundamental type Christians, you preach... "Scripture Alone" and "Jesus Alone" and things like "Worship God Alone" and "Sing Praise to God Alone".

However, really it is all talk. It really is all smoke and mirrors.

One who really loves the Lord, with all of heart, soul, MIND and strength will be able to see the distinctions between a true faithful Christian, and one who is a deceiver and being deceived.

As a modern fundamental Baptist, who is dispensational, pre-mill and taught in the theological foundations of Scofield and Darby, it is not a surprise that you would make light of Spurgeon's comments.

From your view, Spurgeon was a heretical pastor on the doctrine of salvation and the gospel. You are diametrically opposed to any Calvinist like Spurgeon in terms of predestination, election, salvation, form of worship and providence. All being absolutely fundamental issues separating a true and faithful Christian from one who talks the talk.

Make light of Spurgeon and Rutherford if you like, and wave your bible in the air as your only source of faith and practice. Those of us that know your doctrinal presuppositions will sit back and chuckle.


Survey4/2/06 7:05 AM
JD  
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All praise to rutheford???

Survey4/2/06 6:04 AM
Walt | Michigan  
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"Set ten thousand thousand new-made worlds of angels and elect men, and double them in number, ten thousand, thousand, thousand times; let their heart and tongues be ten thousand thousand times more agile and large, than the heart and tongues of the seraphim that stand with six wings before Him (Isa. vi. 2), when they have said all for the glorifying and praising of the Lord Jesus, they have but spoken little or nothing; His love will abide [exceed] all possible creatures praise."

- Letter 186 of Samuel Rutherford, 1637 (from the Letters of Samuel Rutherford)

Regarding Rutherford's Letters, C.H. Spurgeon wrote, "What a wealth of spiritual ravishment we have here! Rutherford is beyond all praise of men. Like a strong-winged eagle he soars into the highest heaven and with unblenched eye he looks into the mystery of love divine."

Continuing, Spurgeon comments,

"let the world know that Spurgeon held Rutherford's Letters to be the nearest thing to inspiration which can be found in all the writings of men... none penetrated further into the innermost heart of holy fellowship with Jesus. Whenever we think of him we compare him to Milton's Uriel, the angel that stood in the sun itself."

http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?sermonID=32906113556


Survey3/17/06 2:46 AM
Bamaboy | China  
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JD, You have been reading too many commentaries. You said:
"Joses, being the brother of James the less and son of Mary. His name was changed to Barnabas by the apostles in Acts."
Now, how do you get this from scripture? It is a total fabrication.

Survey3/16/06 12:15 PM
Michael Jones | Midwest  Contact via email
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Arthur,

Thanks for your comments in regards to the greek word "gave."

It is the same word used in the most well known verse in the Bible, John 3:16, For God so loved the world that He "gave" His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life.

In the past, God gave His Son for the world. Even though it happened in the past, should we not claim that promise even today?

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