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Survey11/19/08 4:19 PM
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Mike wrote:
If there is a rapture, will you protest this messing with your theology?
Y'all bet your sweet life oi will..

Survey11/19/08 3:40 PM
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Person wrote:
But I reiterate there isn't going to be a so called "Rapture."
If there is a rapture, will you protest this messing with your theology?

Survey11/19/08 3:27 PM
St Jeremiah | Salt Lake City, UT  Contact via emailGo to homepageFind all comments by St Jeremiah
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Continued:

So it was out of his study of Ecclesiology that lead J.N. Darby to systemize Dispensationalism...which in turn lead to his systemization of Eschatology, using the literal historical grammatical method.

"John Nelson Darby did not formally declare his separation from the Church of Ireland until 1832, at the Powerscourt Conference, an annual meeting of Bible students organized by his friend, the wealthy widow Lady Powerscourt (Theodosia Wingfield Powerscourt). That conference was also where he first described his discovery of the "secret rapture." [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Darby_(evangelist)]]]Wiki[/URL]

The fact that those preacher's who attended and received what he taught...meant that they were seeing the same doctrine from their own study of the Pauline epistles. J.N. Darby only systemized what was already was being taught among the minority of Preachers in the late 1700's to early 1800's.

[URL=http://www.raptureready.com/featured/ice/Rapture-myths.doc.]]]Rapture Myths; Tom's Perspectives[/URL]

The bottomline on this "timing" issue is whether you are looking for the Lord Jesus Christ (Titus 2:13) or for the "man of sin" (2 Thess. 2:3-4). I believe Jesus is coming to redeem me first. (1 Thess 4:13-5:11).


Survey11/19/08 3:24 PM
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St Jeremiah wrote:
John Darby, was not studying or teaching prophecy when he was an Anglican clergyman in Ireland.
"In October 1827, he fell from a horse and was seriously injured. He later stated that it was during this time that he recognized that the "kingdom" described in the Book of Isaiah and elsewhere in the Old Testament was entirely different from the Christian church." [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Darby_(evangelist)]]]Wiki[/URL]
Taken from the same WIKI page is

"Darby is sometimes credited with originating, the "secret rapture" theory wherein Christ will suddenly remove His bride, the Church, from this world before the judgments of the tribulation."

But I reiterate there isn't going to be a so called "Rapture."


Survey11/19/08 3:00 PM
St Jeremiah | Salt Lake City, UT  Contact via emailGo to homepageFind all comments by St Jeremiah
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Person wrote:
There isn't going to be a "Rapture"
This is just an invention of that poor overindulged girl Margaret MacDonald in 1830.
The pre-tribulational timing of the rapture never had its source in Francisco Ribera (1537-1591), Emmanuel Lacunza (1731-1801), Reverend Edward Irving (1792-1834), Margaret McDonald (fifteen years old in 1830) or John Nelson Darby (1800-1882).
The study of prophecy, using the literal method of interpretation, did not begin in ernest until after the 1600's. The dominate Protestant interpretation of prophecy was using the allegorical method.
The doctrine was being developed...but no one theologian or preacher systemized the doctrine.
John Darby, was not studying or teaching prophecy when he was an Anglican clergyman in Ireland.
"In October 1827, he fell from a horse and was seriously injured. He later stated that it was during this time that he recognized that the "kingdom" described in the Book of Isaiah and elsewhere in the Old Testament was entirely different from the Christian church." [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Darby_(evangelist)]]]Wiki[/URL]

Survey11/11/08 4:21 PM
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St Jeremiah wrote:
Which one?
After the Rapture:
There isn't going to be a "Rapture"

This is just an invention of that poor overindulged girl Margaret MacDonald in 1830.

"Margaret McDonald was born in 1815 and lived in Port Glasgow, Scotland during the beginning years of the Dispensationalism movement under John Nelson Darby. McDonald was fifteen years old in 1830 when she claimed to have received a Revelation of the State of the Church in the latter days. She would often go into trances and record visions of the end of the world"(Wikipedia)


Survey11/11/08 4:12 PM
St Jeremiah | Salt Lake City, UT  Contact via emailGo to homepageFind all comments by St Jeremiah
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Which one?

After the Rapture:

Bema Seat; 1 Corinthians 3:11-15

After the Second Coming:

Lamb and Goat; Matthew 25:31-46

Purging of the rebels from Israel (gathering of Israel: Matthew 24:29-31); Ezekiel 20:34-38

After the millennium:

Great White Throne; Revelation 11-15


Survey12/27/07 5:49 PM
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Abigail wrote:
1Jo 3:13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
Joh 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
Mat 10:24 The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.
Good verses, quite vain of you to use them, unless you meant me, then thank you. joke-Abi, laugh, do you ever laugh
(I know, at my comments.)

Abi, did anyone say anything about hating you? (verses out of context)

People are praying for you, did you not
read anything. Don't sound like a crowd
that hates you.

What did you come to SA for to see Abi

Matthew 11:
18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.

19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children

Matthew 11:8
But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? behold, they that wear soft clothing are in kings' houses

Matthew 9
17Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

He dwells in you, you in Him
You don't become God


Survey12/27/07 8:22 AM
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Mirror wrote:
I guess, you see yourself my
opponent.
So no love huh.
Hebrews 11 comes to mind
preacherjond wrote
"Abigail, the Penecostals have lied to you, and led you down a false road, misinterpreting the scriptures and filling your mind with heresies. I pray that your eyes will be opened to the truth, in Jesus Christ's name I ask it, Amen
Another opponent?
listen up wrote
Hey everyone, you all have given this woman ample scripture to refute her false belief, it's time to put it in the hands of the Lord, let us all lift her in prayer and ask God the grant her insight.
Another opponent
Lurker wrote
He (or she) who hath ears to hear, let him (or her) hear.
Another opponent
Walt wrote
" Abigail wrote, "Why you are comparing me to Finney, I know not."
Because it was declared in the article, "Charles Grandison Finney was a heretic!"
Another opponent
kevin
Amen, sister Abigail
A supporter, yea
R. K. Borill
"Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection."
All Glory Be To God
1Jo 3:13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.

Joh 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

Mat 10:24 The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.

In the lov


Survey12/27/07 7:36 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
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jago wrote:
Folk often bring up John Calvin and Michael Servetus when trying to discredit John Calvin. I've heard of the latter often but all I've heard of Servetus, is that he was teaching false doctrine on the trinity. Why is he held in such high regard? They were cruel times in the 16th century.
jago
Sorry it isn't that Michael Servetus is held in high regard, he was in fact quite a heretic, but it is the conduct of Mr. Calvin towards him that is appauling.

Consider, can one lie to a liar?
Can one steal from a thief?
Can a prostitute be raped?

Liars, thieves, prostitutes, and heretics too can all be "sinned" against by people who might not necessarily have committed anything close to their sins.

Check me on this in the NT the Scriptural way to deal with a heretic in the church was to confront and without repentance expose and excommunicate. I do not find anywhere where we are commanded, instructed, encouraged to turn heretics over to civil authorities to be put to death for heresy, do you?

Now for Mr. Calvin to be claimed as such a great Bible scholar on par with being the one and only Protestant Pope if he was wrong on this issue perhaps he is not the great scholar so many hold him to be. What do you think?


Survey12/27/07 4:05 AM
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Folk often bring up John Calvin and Michael Servetus when trying to discredit John Calvin. I've heard of the latter often but all I've heard of Servetus, is that he was teaching false doctrine on the trinity. Why is he held in such high regard? They were cruel times in the 16th century.

Survey12/27/07 2:13 AM
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Hey R K

Hebrews 11
1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

3Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

?

1.the evidence of things not seen-(faith)

does that tie into

3.were not made of things which do appear-(faith)

is this like a test of your faith

(IE), you do things you believe to
be from the Holy Spirit?
1. faith: is the substance of things hoped for, the substance of things, your lets
call it works. (as in faith without works)

3. so that things which are seen-your fruit
1. Now faith is the substance of things -
again fruit.

Do you agree?

or at least understand what Im asking?

6But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him
Randy
whats your thoughts on verse 6?
compared to verse 15
15And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned

thanks,
terry


Survey12/27/07 12:57 AM
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Abigail wrote:
Mirror|rorriM wrote
sticks and stones will break my bones

_____
You are reflecting yourself.
All verses are out of context if they are posted by the opponent.
In the love of Jesus Christ with prayers
Abigail

I guess, you see yourself my
opponent.
So no love huh.

Hebrews 11 comes to mind

preacherjond wrote
"Abigail, the Penecostals have lied to you, and led you down a false road, misinterpreting the scriptures and filling your mind with heresies. I pray that your eyes will be opened to the truth, in Jesus Christ's name I ask it, Amen
Another opponent?
listen up wrote
Hey everyone, you all have given this woman ample scripture to refute her false belief, it's time to put it in the hands of the Lord, let us all lift her in prayer and ask God the grant her insight.
Another opponent
Lurker wrote
He (or she) who hath ears to hear, let him (or her) hear.
Another opponent
Walt wrote
" Abigail wrote, "Why you are comparing me to Finney, I know not."
Because it was declared in the article, "Charles Grandison Finney was a heretic!"
Another opponent
kevin
Amen, sister Abigail
A supporter, yea
R. K. Borill
"Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection."

All Glory Be To God


Survey12/27/07 12:20 AM
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Mirror|rorriM wrote

Mirror, mirror on the wall
Joh 8:44 "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."
sticks and stones will break my bones
great verse, but as you so often do
with verses its out of CONTEXT
_____

You are reflecting yourself. Everyone knows who you are!

All verses are out of context if they are posted by the opponent.

In the love of Jesus Christ with prayers
Abigail


Survey12/26/07 10:14 PM
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kevin wrote:
Mirror, mirror on the wall, Abigail was commenting on what Truthful posted at 12:25.
So blast away at Truthful.
I take note that you quoted Gal. 5:14,
"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."
Is this what john calvin was thinking

Kevin

Hi Kevin
Jeremiah 5:31
The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?

Is this what john calvin was thinking

I could care less, Im not typing to John

Maybe you should do like that pope did
dig him up, and punish him.

Mirror, mirror on the wall
Its called conviction, or is it just me?

Mirror, mirror on the wall
Joh 8:44 "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."
sticks and stones will break my bones

great verse, but as you so often do
with verses its out of CONTEXT

Kevin, Excellent Post
In the love
Abigail

Abigail
How about mine, great post
come on, show some love
In the love of Jesus Christ


Survey12/26/07 10:10 PM
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kevin wrote:
Mirror, mirror on the wall, Abigail was commenting on what Truthful posted at 12:25.
So blast away at Truthful.
I take note that you quoted Gal. 5:14,
"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."
Is this what john calvin was thinking when he had Michael Servetus burn at the stake?
Was johnnie calvin thinking on those verses of the Epistles of John in 1553?
Before you calvies/reformies cast the first stone, check out the background of your deceptive leader.
Oh by the way john calvins actions "WHERE SPOKEN LIKE A TRUE SINNER!!!!
One more thought was john calvin thinking about Yahshua's Sermon on the Mount, "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect."
Joh 8:44 "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."
Kevin
Kevin, Excellent Post!

In the love of Jesus Christ with prayers
Abigail


Survey12/26/07 9:53 PM
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Mirror, mirror on the wall, Abigail was commenting on what Truthful posted at 12:25.

So blast away at Truthful.

I take note that you quoted Gal. 5:14,

"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."

Is this what john calvin was thinking when he had Michael Servetus burn at the stake?

Was johnnie calvin thinking on those verses of the Epistles of John in 1553?

Before you calvies/reformies cast the first stone, check out the background of your deceptive leader.

Oh by the way john calvins actions "WHERE SPOKEN LIKE A TRUE SINNER!!!!

One more thought was john calvin thinking about Yahshua's Sermon on the Mount, "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect."

Joh 8:44 "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

Kevin


Survey12/26/07 9:03 PM
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Abigail wrote:
Truthful wrote
Kevin God will also burn heretics in the lake of fire, like papists, socininians, arminians,
__
forgot the Calvinists.
Abigail
Spoken like a true SINNER
The Bible says none of that.

Abigail you quote: In the Sermon on the Mount Jesus Christ taught us what perfection is and He said, "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect."

But then the Bible says
1 John 1
7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin

8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us
1 John 2
9He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now
Matthew 22
36Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38This is the first and great commandment
39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Galatians 5:14
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

LOVE


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Amen, sister Abigail

Kevin


Survey12/26/07 3:16 PM
Abigail | Oregon  Contact via emailFind all comments by Abigail
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Truthful wrote

" Kevin
Don't forget that God will also burn heretics in the lake of fire, like papists, socininians, arminians, antinomians etc etc.Truthful"
____

You forgot the Calvinists.

In the love of Jesus Christ with prayers
Abigail

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