Icon O'Clast wrote:I don't think you can seperate worship and praise any more than you can seperate fear and reverence or grace and mercy.
Interesting points. I think you miss my point though. Praise is always verbal/audible. Worship is not. Do you believe that we can worship God without opening our mouths? Of course. Do you believe we can worship God in silent prayer or in our thoughts? Of course.On Revelation. Praise is there and so is worship granted. Prostrating themselves describes their posture before or even as they worshiped, but its not worship and throwing crowns was an act that resulted from worship, but not worship. Do you fall down and throw crowns in your local assembly. I think not, but it would be good fun watching.
On grace and mercy, they are totally seperate. One is God giving us what we don't deserve, and the other is God not giving us what we do deserve. How are they always linked?
Worship has potentially nothing at all to do with singing, either psalms or hymns. Worship is something that takes place in the mind. It is us expressing our reverence and awe for who God is This can be done verbally or not.Praise, on the other hand, is always audible. We must not get singing praises to God mixed up with worshipping God. Worship can be part of praising, but does not always have to be.So, the question most here seem to want to answer is 'how should we praise God when christians meet together'.
jago wrote:Bernard I agree with you.
Mr. J wrote:I do not support Psalms only. But I lament their passing and their being replaced.
However, in an enthusiastic rush to purge the drivel, we must not eject modern songs which are scripturally sound and generally meet the 'good song' criteria listed below.
jago wrote:Do they also feel they cannot sing scripture as an aid to memory?
Mr. J wrote:If you do a proper exegesis of the two parallel texts which speak on Psalms, Hymns and Spiritual songs you come to the conclusion that they speak of Psalms, Psalms and Psalms. OT Psalms was the only hymnbook the OT church knew and one of the saddest days in the history of the Protestant church waw when the Psalms were thrown out with the bathwater.
1. It is God-centred and reverent.2. It is holy; ie clearly separate from the world.3. Words are scriptural, either by being taken directly from scripture, or by stating acceptable doctrines based on sound theology4. Music is of high quality5. Words are to avoid vain repetitions
I don't disagree with these principles. I get frustrated by "baby with bathwater" attitudes when people become disillusioned when these principles aren't followed, and retreat to "Psalms-only" mentality.
jago wrote:I believe we have the permission of scripture to sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs, but some of the latter that are becoming very popular are not true to scripture. Some choruses should never be sung as part of worship. Please read the words as you sing.
I love the metric psalms but it dawned on me that it isn't the exact words of God translated in the Authorized Version or even Geneva for that matter.
MurrayA wrote:Warrant that,I looked up your link, and I have bookmarked it. I haven't the time tight now to go right through it all, but the first few paragraphs have whetted my appetite.....
It seems to me that the Psalms only camp have failed ever to produce conclusive evidence on the one point which would win everyone over viz. that the Psalter is the only authorised song book of the church. They cannot even demonstrate that it was so for Israel!
Just one single verse from the entire Bible to demonstrate that this is so would suffice! Simple challenge one would think.
I concur with you re: the so called contemporary worship style.
AMEN, AMEN, AMEN!!
I get so sick of carnal worldly music, in or out of church!
And don't even get me started on the tight pants (or any pants on women for that matter)