Second, we have to understand that the bodies that Adam/Eve, and the animals had back then were FAR superior to our bodies. The plants back then which they would of eaten (as is recorded, God gave them fruit to eat) would of had many more nutrients etc. in it that would of sustained life much more beyond what plants can do now. Look at how long they lived back then, they died of accidents or old age. AFTER the flood the whole earth changed and the atmosphere did to, making the earth a much harsher environment to live in.
So, keep in mind and make sure you are not doubting what God can do. If God wanted us to think it was more then a day maybe he would of used a different term?
Mike wrote:Indeed, we all know how those other versions limit the Holy Spirit's ability to make God's will clear. God is an Englishman, someone once said.
chmch wrote:I find much much easier to understand the word "day" in Genesis meaning "millions of years" than the word "father" in Luke's genealogy of Christ meaning "mother"
Also, after EVERY accounting of the creation which happened during a specific "day" in Genesis 1, we find:
"AND THE EVENING AND THE MORNING WERE THE ________ DAY."
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
Gen 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, [it was] very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
There.Does that make it any EASIER for you to understand?
Matt wrote:If one does not believe in the literal 6 day approach they are essentially disregarding Biblical truth to place God and His works within human comprehension.You CANNOT say that the "Word was God" (John 1) and say therefore that the Word is Truth (for God is Truth) if you beleive in a longer creation period than 6 days. Either all in the Bible is true or all is not (and to claim that 6 days is not in fact 6 days is dispensational rubbish.)
San Jose John wrote:You sound like you're allowing your own limitedlife experiences to limit your own capacityto visualize possible pre-fall conditions.Maybe Spiders didn't spin webs before the fall.Maybe frogs didn't have those tongues before the fall.(etc.).May God be pleased to grant you the wisdom to seebeyond your limited experiences, lest you unintentionally"lock yourself out" of learning more Biblical truth.
Your point of view requires a creation of greater than six days.
Firstly, the well-documented six pre-fall creation days.
Secondly, the post-fall re-creation day, when God re-created spiders with webs, frogs with tongues, eagles with talons, et cetera. You are essentially arguing that there was no eco-system before the fall, apart from the parallel processing of vegetable matter by all creatures great and small.
First, If there are fossils from before the fall, then that would mean there was death before the fall. Romans 5 disputes this along with many other scriptures.
Second, The Sabbath principle, which predates the ten commandments back to creation. In the decalogue, God says "Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy" Exodus 20:11 "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy."I find it difficult to believe that the same hebrew word in the same passage means two different periods of time.
Lastly, I do believe in the reliability of certain bible versions over others. I prefer the ESV go to esv.org. I use the NKJV. I will not used a paraphrased version or one that does not translate word for word the original. I also prefer to study the greek original which is more descriptive (tense, action, etc) It clears up a lot of confusion in some passages.
Susanna wrote:i dont have a pastor.
Anyway, as a result of my not having a pastor over me, I was unable to answer this pole...
Preacher wrote:Yes, imagine; spiders spun webs to catch leaves, frogs had long sticky tongues to catch fast-moving seeds, birds of prey had incredible eyesight to see the cabbage and strong talons to stop it from escaping, wolves hunted treebark in packs and fish only ate seaweed.
Maybe Spiders didn't spin webs before the fall.Maybe frogs didn't have those tongues before the fall.(etc.).
May God be pleased to grant you the wisdom to seebeyond your limited experiences, lest you unintentionally"lock yourself out" of learning more Biblical truth.
Michael Hranek wrote:SusannaWhat a heartbreaking thing to hear. You will be in our prayers and hopefully of others on SermonAudio as well.Personally I know times in my life when I did not have a pastor (it is increasingly hard to find a faithful pastor in these days) and I so appreciate the Lord that His grace was more than sufficient then and now. And I am so thankful that He kept me out of the hands of the multiple wolves in sheep's clothing.
San Jose John wrote:I agree. The curse which accompaniedthe fall must have had many miraculous(if negative) effects on the originalcreation to explain what we see todayvs. what the creation was like priorto the fall.
DJC49 wrote:Seems to me that either some extraordinary things happened in the animal world due to the Fall...