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1,468 total votes have been cast on this survey | 426 user comments  ( edit survey )

Who do you think the name 'Lucifer' (in Isaiah 14: 12) refers to?
Created: 9/19/2004 | Last Vote: 8 years ago | Comment: 11 years ago
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 •   A king of Babylon in Bible times
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 •   The Pope of Rome, head of Babylon the Great (Rev. 17)
  2% | 23 votes

 •   Both of the above
  1% | 22 votes

 •   Satan, or some other fallen angel
  79% | 1,153 votes

 •   None of these / I don't know
  4% | 52 votes

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Survey11/11/08 4:26 PM
St Jeremiah | Salt Lake City, UT  Contact via emailGo to homepageFind all comments by St Jeremiah
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It is:

You will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon: Isaiah 14:3

....and Satan;

How you have fallen from heaven,
O morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth...Isaiah 14:12

Compare with Revelation 12:9

The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

So this is a double reference prophecy.


Survey5/23/07 12:53 PM
Yamil Luciano | Las. Vegas NV  Go to homepageFind all comments by Yamil Luciano
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My mother in law.

Survey5/23/07 12:36 PM
Abigail | Oregon  Find all comments by Abigail
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Why did the new translations take the name, "Lucifer" out of the Bible, if it is just the name of the King of Tyrus.
Isaiah 14:4-20--(where Lucifer is mentioned) is a proverb against the king of Babylon. Ezek.28:12-19 is a proverb against the king of Tyrus. They both refer to Satan (antichrist spirit).

Why is there so much controversy over it?

All of the devout preachers before about 1950 believed the KJV of the Bible to be the inerrant Word of God. They would not accept the 1881 ASV (Wescott-Hort) edition, because of the many changes and deletions. It is since that time that there has been so much controversy concerning many Scriptures of the Bible--all the bibles are not all saying the same thing.

When men believed the KJV to be inerrant, there were many great moves of the Spirit, and there have been none since. Finney, Moody, Whitefield, Wigglesworth, Murray--all of the preachers believed the Word of God.

I did not invent the name of Satan, it is recorded in the Word of God. The center references in the KJV show that scholars and theologians believed the name of Lucifer refers to the fall of Satan.


Survey5/19/07 2:24 PM
Lurker | USA  Find all comments by Lurker
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Abigail:

"Did the king of Babylon fall from heaven? Was he the bright shining one that said he would ascend above the heavens and above the heights of the clouds and would be like God? I think not!"

No disrespect intended, Abigail, but the context of Isaiah 14 demands that Lucifer be understood as the King of Babylon. Why would you disregard the context and then go on a speculation spree? I don't ask this to be insulting but I really am shocked that so many people won't take the context of the prophets seriously. This seems to fly in the face of proclaiming the bible to be inerrant, internally consistant, self defining and free of contradiction.

Instead of dogmatically tossing out the strong implications of Isaiah 14 that a king of Babylon was at the very least a type of Lucifer simply because you "think" you know everything there is to know about Satan; why not first make sure you know everything the bible has to say about Babylon and the Caldeans?

A good place to start might be to cross reference the prophecy Paul cited in Acts 13:40-41 with its source prophecy in Habakkuk 1:5 and its context to the end of the chapter. (And, no, I will not comment on what I believe this cross reference teaches.)


Survey5/19/07 12:10 PM
Orison  Find all comments by Orison
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Etymology

O.E. Lucifer "Satan," also "morning star," from L. Lucifer "morning star," lit. "light-bringing," from lux (gen. lucis) + ferre "carry" (see infer).

Belief that it was the proper name of Satan began with its used in Bible to translate Gk. Phosphoros, which translates Heb. Helel ben Shahar in Isaiah xiv.12 -- "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!" [KJV] The verse was interpreted by Christians as a reference to "Satan," because of the mention of a fall from Heaven, even though it is literally a reference to the King of Babylon (cf. Isaiah xiv.4).

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Is his name phosphorus???
Is his name helel ben shahar???

Why do we require his name?


Survey5/19/07 11:58 AM
Abigail | Oregon  Find all comments by Abigail
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Did the king of Babylon fall from heaven? Was he the bright shining one that said he would ascend above the heavens and above the heights of the clouds and would be like God? I think not! I think Lucifer (fallen cherub that was lifted up in pride because of his beauty) was and is the Antichrist spirit (Satan) that is working through evil humanity in their attempt to bring under his control all the peoples of the world. The Antichrist of Revelation will be Satan incarnate.

There are other Scriptures that tell of Satan and his fall from heaven; therefore it is hard to understand why people refuse to believe his name is Lucifer.

We have been given the names of the Archangels, the cherubim--Michael and Gabriel. Why do people think it is presumptous to know the once heavenly name of Satan?


Survey5/19/07 4:12 AM
Paul Forrest | Liverpool, Great Britain  Protected NameGo to homepageFind all comments by Paul Forrest
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It sounds like the King of Babylon is intended. If you don't mind a bit of reading, sort the comments 'by oldest first'. I posted a quote right at the beginning by John Gill which you might find of interest.

Survey5/18/07 1:31 PM
Abigail | Oregon  Find all comments by Abigail
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There are many conjectures about the name "Lucifer". A name given to the planet Venus--"shining one"--Lucifer becamed to be regarded as the name of Satan before his fall--erroneously applied to Satan. Ommitted from the New Translations of the Bible along with"Jehovah". What goes?

All of these scholars only tell us, "who Lucifer is not". I have never heard an explanation of who they think He is.

H.P.Blavatsdy (1831-1891) Spiritualist and theosophist, then editor of "Lucifer" magazine is called "Godmother of the New age Movement". She said "One of the most hidden secrets..involved the so-called fall of Angels, Satan and his rebellious host..will thus prove to have...become direct Savior and Creator of divine man...Thus Satan, once he ceased to be viewed in the superstitious spirit of the church, grows into the grandiose image..It is Satan who is the God of our planet and the only God. Satan, or Lucifer represents...the Centrifugal Energy of the Universe...this ever living symbol of self-sacrifice...Lucifer represents life..thought..progress..civilization..liberty..independence..Lucifer is the Logos..the Serpent..the Savior. Much more could be added--but lack of space)

Who do you think Lucifer is? Not--who he is not?


Survey5/18/07 5:33 AM
Paul Forrest | Liverpool, Great Britain  Protected NameGo to homepageFind all comments by Paul Forrest
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Yes, Abigail. but people mostly quote it wrongly from the passage which mentions the wolf and the lamb. But this is off-topic...

Survey5/17/07 2:20 PM
Abigail | Oregon  Find all comments by Abigail
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The Lion and the Lamb refer to Jesus Christ who is the Lion of the Tribe of Judah and the holy, spotless Lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world.

Survey5/17/07 11:43 AM
Yamil Luciano | Las. Vegas NV  Go to homepageFind all comments by Yamil Luciano
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Yeah right. If you believe a lie long enough, one will believe it.

Survey5/17/07 7:16 AM
expositor | houston, texas  Contact via emailGo to homepageFind all comments by expositor
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The Hebrew Masoretic Text is a counterfeit which was unknown until its publication in the 15th Century A.D.

The Ancient Hebrew Canon of the patriarchs disappeared with the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70. But a century or more prior to the Incarnation, the Jews embraced the Septuagint, which is a Greek translation of the Ancient Hebrew Canon.

Jesus and the apostles authenticated the Septuagint by quoting from it. Thus, the Septuagint is a faithful representation of the Ancient Hebrew, whereas the Masoretic Text is not.

Regarding the lion and the lamb: it is (1) the wolf and the lamb, and (2) the lion and the calf and the ox, and (3) the leopard and the kid which feed together.


Survey5/17/07 6:25 AM
Paul Forrest | Liverpool, Great Britain  Protected NameGo to homepageFind all comments by Paul Forrest
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The prevalence of 'Luciferians' is not proof that Lucifer is Satan. These people are simply making the same mistake as their Christian enemies in making an assumption.

The idea that Lucifer is Satan is one of those ideas that everyone knows but no-one ever bothers to find out evidence for. It reminds me of the lion-lying-down-with-the-lamb phrase which is repeated among Christians, but which is not in the Bible.


Survey5/16/07 3:03 PM
GG  Find all comments by GG
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Hillary the First!

Survey5/16/07 2:19 PM
Yamil Luciano | Las. Vegas NV  Go to homepageFind all comments by Yamil Luciano
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My mother-in-law.

Survey5/16/07 11:14 AM
Abigail | Oregon  Find all comments by Abigail
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Lucifer, the name of the covering cherub that fell from heaven, is Satan, the eternal enemy of God and of the saints. He controlled and indwelt the king of Babylon (Isa. 14:4-20) and the king of Tyrus (Ezek. 28:12-19) which are types of the Antichrist. He has also controlled the tyrannical rulers throughout history, but the final untilate Antichrist which is to come will be the climax. Jesus will destroy him with the brightness of His coming. He will be cast into hell for all eternity.

Survey5/16/07 3:58 AM
Abigail | Oregon  Find all comments by Abigail
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Lucifer is Satan, and one thing that makes that fact obvious is the number of Satanists and Luciferians that exist today. All of the secret societies worship the devil, and they do not question who Lucifer is, they know very well. They are the ones that are planning the New World Order--planning to bring us all under their control. They are the ones that will set up the Antichrist with his totalitarian rule demanding worship of him who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. (II Thes. 2:4-5). He will impose the mark of the beast--the computer chip identification, without which no man can buy or sell, and all who take it will be doomed to hell.

Freemasonry is Luciferian though many of its members will not admit it. They are the ones that have formed the secret societies--Skull and Bones, Trilateral Commission, CFR, Priory of Sion, and many more.
Satan goes about as a roaring lion seeking shom he may devour. (I Peter 5:8)


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Yamil Luciano | Las. Vegas NV  Find all comments by Yamil Luciano
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Lucifer

Survey12/14/06 11:23 AM
Alastair | Tyrone, UK  Contact via emailFind all comments by Alastair
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The subject lucifer - please refer to web:www.caterpillar.org.uk/warning/fseals.htm
I've seen a so called christian poster in a free presbyterian sunday school room (NB.which I have the greatest repect for teaching), but I was burdened to find on the poster featuring the 'Eye of the Triangle' symbol with adjacent ref to 1 Peter Ch3v12 (NB. ..eyes of the Lord - plural)

The 'eye in the triangle' is not the eye of the Christian God. This is the 'Eye of Horus' in Egyptian mythology and in reality represents the eye of Lucifer ...
The 'eye in the triangle' is not the eye of the Christian God. This is the 'Eye of Horus' in Egyptian mythology and in reality represents the eye of Lucifer ...
www.caterpillar.org.uk/warning/fseals.htm


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