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91% of Christian workers minister to less than 10% of world population. How do you feel about this?
Created: 6/23/2006 | Last Vote: 8 years ago | Comment: 11 years ago
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  The percentage is high, but justified.

  The percentage is too high, but can't/won't do anything to change it.

  Percentage too high - willing to be part of 9% reaching the 90%.

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Survey9/29/08 12:08 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
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Mike,

When did God give you free will? Just asking, you know.


Survey1/15/08 11:15 PM
Discerning Believer  Find all comments by Discerning Believer
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Jago, here is a hint. Revelation 1:1.

Survey1/15/08 10:20 PM
jago | australia  Find all comments by jago
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JD are we reading the same Bible. The last book in mine is called " The Revelation of Saint John the Divine" Where do I read the book called the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

Survey1/15/08 3:49 PM
Weapon of Mass Instruction | Dehvastating Truth  Find all comments by Weapon of Mass Instruction
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Cbcpreacher wrote:
(I received what I expected from Yamil).
The Dehvastating Truth, I suppose.

Survey1/15/08 10:10 AM
JD  Find all comments by JD
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No idea have you JD wrote:
During the year 1954 I averaged preaching twice daily for 365 days. First Baptist Church, Algiers, New Orleans, is preaching
to more people every week than practically all the other churches combined, and that's not boasting – that is just stating a plain fact.
I sure hope you are not on this forum trying to persuade me that you are needed by God or that there are any particular blessings associated with your soul winning zeal and effort. If you are I will be offended greatly knowing that the human element in salvation is of absolutely no consequence. Now you have the audacity to tell me that you are some big shot because you preach the gospel that you have no confidence in except in the lives of a few, a very few, none of whom are probably in your congregation when you preach.

You tell me how the gospel is good news to the vast majority of people whom God has chosen expressly for the day of destruction and when you preach, you tell your congregation that and be honest with any seeking soul that does not want to go to hell.

You tell them that your gospel is a great big ELECTION with a little bitty jesus.

I say it is a false gospel!


Survey1/15/08 9:10 AM
No idea have you JD  Find all comments by No idea have you JD
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May god give you grace and understanding:

JD YOUR IGNORANCE IS GREATER THAN THE SUM OF YOUR BIBLE UNDERSTANDING but you will need to go to this web page to understand what real calvinism is!

'Calvinism Gives Fire and Enthusiasm to True Evangelism'

L. R. Shelton

http://www.radiomissions.org/sermons/cal-fire-enth.shtml

'I am a Calvinist to the core – not a Hypercalvinist. I cannot be still for preaching the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ that one of God's elect may be saved. During the year 1954 I averaged preaching twice daily for 365 days. First Baptist Church, Algiers, New Orleans, is preaching
to more people every week than practically all the other churches combined, and that's not boasting – that is just stating a plain fact. True Calvinism will put enthusiasm, zeal, and
soul-compassion into soul-winning, and mission work. Now let me give some reasons why
that is so.'

GO AND DO LIKEWISE


Survey1/15/08 8:10 AM
JD  Find all comments by JD
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jago wrote:
JD this is not the thread for discussing the revelation of John.
I have not been discussing the revelation of John. I didn't even know he had one. I was dicussing the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

Why would evangelists take the gospel to more than 10% of the people if the gospel is not "good news" to them? And why is evangelism even necessary to those who have been elected if there is no possible way in which they will ever perish? And why, if salvation is all of God without any input from man, does God even want us interferring in his plan of salvation and getting in his way and sharing in the glory of it? And why tell the world that God has elected only a few, a very few, and the rest are created for the day of destruction and they have no hope. Even God could not save them now if he wanted to.

These doctrines appeal to a precious few of you fellows who think you are elect and are therefore special but they do nothing in a practical situation but deny the wonderful plan of salvation that the gospel is indeed good news to the masses because Christ died for them and they can be saved. Your gospel feeds the massive egos of people like Walt and Murray and those who are quoted in these silly commentaries, and of course, you.


Survey1/15/08 5:06 AM
jago | australia  Find all comments by jago
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Where did this statistic originate?

In many countries there are no western style missionaries or pastors but christians minister one to another. The web and radio are also very valuable tools in reaching the unsaved.

JD this is not the thread for discussing the revelation of John.


Survey1/15/08 4:39 AM
JD  Find all comments by JD
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MurrayA wrote:
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However, we should transfer the discussion to one of the eschatology threads.
I am surprised. but pleasantly so, that MurrayA at least recognizes the Revelation as fitting into the end times scenario.

MurrayA, their are 49 sets of "sevens" in the revelation. Since all the doctrines of Scripture have their beginning elsewhere in Scripture and flow into this book and are consummated there, it seems fitting that God uses his number for completion this many times, don't you think?
It is like a freight train that originates at the terminal and picks up freight cars along it's route until it becomes a tonnage train and then pulls into the final terminal where all the cars are then switched to tracks and sent to their final destination. In the case of the freight car called the church, it has been "predestined" to heaven and glory so it is first to be sent out of the yard to heaven in Re 4:1,2. The seven representative churches has informed us concerning the trip to the terminal.


Survey1/14/08 9:36 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
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Murray,

Funny you should mention "s-word." Osteen has used that phrase. Or I should say, he doesn't use the s-word, as was pointed out to him recently.

JD,

God is sovereign. He even gave me free will. Guess he is sovereign enough to do such things.


Survey1/14/08 9:18 PM
JD  Find all comments by JD
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Mike wrote:
"91% of Christian workers minister to less than 10% of world population. How do you feel about this?"
So, JD and Murray, how do you feel about this?
I am surprised you have never heard about the sovereignty of God. So, if only 10% of the worlds population are being witnessed to by 91% of the pop. then you must figure that 90% are not elect. I just hope you do not have the mistaken idea that God could ever fail in his preset plans and I hope you do not think that it would do any good to witness to 90% if God has created them for the day of destruction?

Does anyone have the audacity to think 91% of the christian workers can just make a decision from free will to go to the other 90% who have never been witnessed to?

We are not to blame so don't try to put me on a guilt trip.


Survey1/14/08 9:18 PM
MurrayA | Australia  Find all comments by MurrayA
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Mike wrote:
"91% of Christian workers minister to less than 10% of world population. How do you feel about this?"
So, JD and Murray, how do you feel about this?
Point taken. I have no desire to pursue this exchange with JD. He is just so dense.

However, we should transfer the discussion to one of the eschatology threads.

As to the subject of this thread, it is really a question of the decline in missionary zeal and candidature.
There are several reasons for this:
1. A growing universalism in so-called evangelicalism, such that many no longer believe that the heathen really are lost, that somehow the Lord will let them in if they do their best.

2. A loss of consciousness of sin, both in themselves and in others. "Sin" has become the "s-word".

3. An insularity in churches, whereby people are preoccupied with what will make them feel good. The Joel Osteens of this world (et al) only foster this mentality.


Survey1/14/08 8:49 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
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"91% of Christian workers minister to less than 10% of world population. How do you feel about this?"

So, JD and Murray, how do you feel about this?


Survey1/14/08 8:32 PM
JD  Find all comments by JD
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What about answering my question about the revelation, MurrayA. Is it a prophecy or not? A simple yes or no will do, my friend.

1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Now, you may say the message to these churches are not part of the revelation of Jesus Christ if you like, I am not going to try to stop you. You can say they have no prophetic (predictive) value at all and they were never intended to have any. It is your life. You can do as you please.

However, I am not as smart as you and I have learned to believe simple words that God speaks whether I understand them or not. I have not, nor do I desire to learn how to deny them.

This is the reason I assign you men cult status. Of all the doctrines we have ever discussed here, you fellows have understood none of them. Yes, you impress the simple ones like Lurker with your good words and fair speeches and some other of the mind numbed robots but in the end you believe nothing. You especially do not understand the church of Jesus Christ.

All my conversations wth you have been about things you do not believe! Now, here is another!


Survey1/14/08 8:11 PM
MurrayA | Australia  Find all comments by MurrayA
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JD,
"Please, MurrayA, just speak plainly and say the Revelation is not a prophetic epistle and that John and Jesus both had it wrong."

I could hardly have put myself clearer. I would guarantee that most others on this board know what I am getting at. Yet you blame me for opaqueness, when it's your own inability to understand the issues involved.

It's not that John and Jesus were wrong, it's that you are - in your narrow - and naive - definition of "prophecy" as "all prediction".

An old definition has it, summarising the Biblical evidence:
"a prophet is someone with God-given hindsight, insight, and foresight." Add to that the element of Divine call and commission and that is it in a nutshell.

I have put to you a good deal for you to chew on, but you cherry-pick and reply only to the bits you think you can handle. Please interact with ALL of it!
Meanwhile, cease displaying your abysmal ignorance of prophetic interpretation.


Survey1/14/08 8:10 PM
JD  Find all comments by JD
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MurrayA wrote:
Tell me why, for example, the books of Joshua, Judges, Samuel, and Kings - histories - are called in the Jewish Canon "the former PROPHETS".
Please tell me you are kidding, MurrayA. There is more than predictive prophecy, there is also prophecy in types and prophecy in symbols. For instance, the parables are prophectic. These churches are present churches in Asia Minor when John wrote, beginning with Ephesus and they are representative churches. Our Lord did not begin with a Jewish church in Jerusalem when the church had its beginning because that would be history, not prophecy. The church of Jesus Christ has a gentile character. The letters that instructs the church in its walk and duties and worship and service are the 13 letters to gentiles written by the apostle Paul, the apostle to the gentiles.

MurrayA, the Revelation begins in Chapter 1, verse 1 and it includes the things that John saw, The glorified Christ, the things that are, the churches, and the things that shall be here after the churches, the triubulation, the glorious coming of Christ, the millinium, the judgment of the wicked dead, and the eternal state in the New Heaven and the New Earth.

Where do you find the histories called former prophets anyway???????


Survey1/14/08 8:06 PM
Cbcpreacher | NY  Find all comments by Cbcpreacher
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Thank you, DB. Maybe some day I can come back and be helpful in some of these discussions. However, today is not that day. Take care, brother.

Survey1/14/08 8:02 PM
Discerning Believer  Find all comments by Discerning Believer
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Sorry Tim for not getting back to you sooner. I had every intention before my wife came in and we went out to dinner. Hope you are doing well. I miss you around here dear brother.

Survey1/14/08 8:00 PM
Cbcpreacher | NY  Find all comments by Cbcpreacher
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Hello, Lurker! I'm glad to see someone is willing to give a positive response (I received what I expected from Yamil). I do miss conversing with some of you, but I don't want to get caught up in the arguing and name-calling again. I will stop in from time to time to say hello, though. Thanks again, Lurker! You're a great brother!
PS-MurrayA-I've been visiting your website. Very informative! I am not KJVO, but, until now, very close. Thank you for the time and effort you have put into your site. It is going onto my favorites list and will be accessed often! God bless you, brother!

Survey1/14/08 7:48 PM
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Hello CbcPreacher,

Good to hear from you again. Everything you wrote is all too true... anymore I just watch and shake my head.

God bless, Tim.

. . .

Murray,

Your patience with JD is commendable but his strength is his hard head. A dictionary, indeed, to define what the bible defines...

Follow after charity, and desire spiritual [gifts], but rather that ye may prophesy. For he that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth [him]; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. ***But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men [to] edification, and exhortation, and comfort.*** He that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church. (1 Cor 14:1-4)

I hope you keep pressing JD for an answer as I'd like to see how he defends his assertion that the "Laodicean church age" is now. And maybe he will tell us how John has been preaching to these seven churches over the past 2000 years.

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