Long Answer: http://www.bible-researcher.com/wescontext.html
The Old Testament in Hebrew (which was the native language of the people of God of old), and the New Testament in Greek (which at the time of the writing of it was most generally known to the nations), being immediately inspired by God, and by his singular care and providence kept pure in all ages, are therefore authentical;a so as in all controversies of religion the Church is finally to appeal unto them.b But because these original tongues are not known to all the people of God who have right unto, and interest in the Scriptures, and are commanded, in the fear of God, to read and search them,c therefore they are to be translated into (15) the vulgar language of every nation unto which they come,d that the Word of God dwelling plentifully in all, they may worship him in an acceptable manner,e and, through patience and comfort of the Scriptures, may have hope.f
a. Mat 5:18. â€¢ b. Isa 8:20; John 5:39, 46; Acts 15:15. â€¢ c. John 5:39. â€¢ d. 1 Cor 14:6, 9, 11-12, 24, 27-28. â€¢ e. Col 3:16. â€¢ f. Rom 15:4.
I have to agree as I sudied with the JW's but wouldn't use their NWT as I found an authorised version still sealed and unopened in a drawer at home I Timothy 3: 16 was God's turning point and not found in the NIV or NWT.
Just now I have receieved the TBS Quarterly Record-the magazine of the Reformed Trinitarian bible Society. There is a request from a prisoner in Florida who for 2 years has been studying the King james debate and had been using the NIV. He says 'I was hard headed, but asked the Lord to show me the truth, and He did. He opened my eyes. I desire the complete, blessed Word of God. Not in pieces or with man's interpretaions built into it'
Also a brit using the NIV as told it was the best version, then the new KJV (The next new thing) until he was compelled to compare text re: fornication. As he says in his street preaching muslims say to him: 'Many, many bibles, only ONE Koran' As a bricklayer with no formal academic qualifications he says 'I have no problem with the AV; in fact, it becomes more prescious as the days go by'
I never read a book until the AV and can understand it-praise God!
Pls understand that Pastor D is correct in his comment that the NIV is a "filthy work of man". I also agree with Preacher in saying I'd rather see an open NIV on someones table being read than a AV closed with a layer of dust unread.I started with an NIV but you only need to study it and major holes and discrepancies appear that will either destroy faith or bring you to answers.I have personally examined thw entire NIV in conjunction with the Jehovah's Witnesses NWT back in 1992 and was horrified to find hardly a difference.
Staight up you cannot trust corporate christianity to provide an uncorrupted Bible. Psalms says "When the wicked prosper the righeous run and hide."The wicked are gaining. Satan owns much of the church and the very words of scripture is darkened. Take the Message Translation in the Lords prayer saying instead of "on earth as it is in heaven." "as above, so below."This is straight up witchcraft. If you wanted to illustrate it you can impose an upright triangle over an upside down triangle. The word of God has to be corrupted, why? becuase there is an uncorrupted word, of which new christians are unaware of.
pastor_d wrote:If you believe the doctrine that I previously stated and you use an NIV. Please put down that filthy work of man and pick up a KJV.
The Bible is unique in its authorship. Holy men wrote as they were moved by the Spirit of God. It is totally of Divine authorship yet simultaneously of complete human authorship.
I also prefer the received text over the butchered Nestle version. I find more and more instances where the NIV has either cut out, mutilated or extracted the teeth from a text.
Yet for all that I would rather see the NIV open on the kitchen table than the KJ gathering dust on the shelf. It is only the Word of the Living God when its pages are open and it speaks to us as we read it. Closed it is just another book.
I would welcome any comments, although let them be constructive.
Thus in the RC fold when transubstantiation came in in the C9th. there were two controversies: one over the "Real Presence", the other over predestination, and the same protagonists lined up on their respective sides. Those who stood against transubstantiation also stood for unconditional election; those who stood for the Real Presence also stood for synergism.
In C17th England Laud stood for Arminian synergism, and also stood for ritualism: genuflections, railed altars, copes and vestments, processionals, i.e. a form of Catholicism without the pope. The two went together, and became accepted orthodoxy in the Church of England, until the Evangelical Revival, essentially Calvinistic, challenged the prevailing "Laudianism".
BTW: no, I don't believe that booking through Amazon is trying to hack into the CIA! It's just for me, and many other of my friends and colleagues, a way of getting cheasp books and DVDs.
MurrayA wrote:Preacher,Thank you for your inquiry.MurrayA In a visit to these columns (aka "The Bear Pit"), I came across your recommendations to Preacher. Being somewhat familiar with several, I have ordered the others and would like to post a brief word of thanks to you for these recomends; and the same for your posts refuting the Arminian/Dispy fantasy so beloved in the land of CI Scofield, CG Finney, Billy Graham, Benny Hinn et al.Am I alone in thinking that trying to order a book from Amazon is akin to attempting to hack into the CIA?
MurrayA In a visit to these columns (aka "The Bear Pit"), I came across your recommendations to Preacher. Being somewhat familiar with several, I have ordered the others and would like to post a brief word of thanks to you for these recomends; and the same for your posts refuting the Arminian/Dispy fantasy so beloved in the land of CI Scofield, CG Finney, Billy Graham, Benny Hinn et al.Am I alone in thinking that trying to order a book from Amazon is akin to attempting to hack into the CIA?
Besides the margin notes, it includes illustrations, also like some modern Bibles! Ken Ham would approve of its Noah's Ark woodcut. As one would expect in a Bible for commoners, the Geneva seems to have simpler or blunter readings than the KJV, once you get used to ye olde typography. It may be closer to Tyndale's original in this respect. E.g., compare 1 Cor. 6:9
This was the Bible of Dissenting Protestants like the Mayflower Separatists & John Bunyan.
Murray, www.hendrickson.com sells "faxes" of the above, Tyndale's 1526 NT, & the 1611 KJV.
After the Revival of the C18th 'high church' came to mean Arminian and highly ritualistic, while 'low church' denoted Calvinistic, evangelical, strong on the 39-Articles, and a minimum of ritual and form.
Do I have a Geneva Bible? No, but I believe that it has now been re-issued, with the original notes, but in a highly expensive format. I would like to procure a copy. I don't now have a website link, but a search of Amazon should bring it up.
Marcus Loane, "Makers of Puritan History", Baker reprint, 1980
John Adair, "Founding Fathers: The Puritans in England and America" J.M. Dent, 1982
Antonia Fraser, "Cromwell: Our Chief of Men", Methuen, 1985. Still a standard work on this Puritan genius.
Austin Woolrych, "Britain in Revolution", Oxford, 2002. A massive tome, but easy reading for all that, and sympathetic to Puritanism in a way other writers are not, who instead display an Anglo-Catholic bias. Overall, it is excellent. (Warning: it's not cheap! Try a public library)
Also, from the series of Puritan and Westminster Conference papers, there is a useful set of essays called "Anglican and Puritan Thinking", Conf. Papers 1977.
Finally, I will very shortly have a long document on precisely this period of history going on my website - in the next few days. I'll let you know when it goes up, with a site address.