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What is the Lord's Church?
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  An invisible, universal organization. (What most of Protestantism believes.)

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Survey6/11/09 12:25 PM
San Jose John | San Jose, CA  Find all comments by San Jose John
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I couldn't find the phrase "LORD's church" in my KJV Bible search.

I'm not a KJV-only guy, I just use that version more often than all the others.

I think Luke 13:24-30 is a great statement and follow-up parable illustrating what "the church" in the world today is, of which my own local assembly is a microcosm: a Biblically-organized gathering of people who are saved, being saved, and trying to become saved, or (sadly) only think that they are saved.


Survey11/11/08 3:01 PM
St Jeremiah | Salt Lake City, UT  Contact via emailGo to homepageFind all comments by St Jeremiah
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The body is a unit (universal), though it is made up of many parts (local); and though all its parts (local) are many (universal), they form one body (universal). So it is with Christ. For we were all (universal) immersed with one Spirit into one body (universal)--whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free (individual's)--and we (universal) were all given the one Spirit to drink. 1 Corinthians 12:12-13

Survey10/6/08 11:09 AM
The same struggle  Find all comments by The same struggle
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"If we look to the present state of the church of Christ, it is as Daniel in the midst of lions, as a lily amongst thorns, as a ship not only tossed but almost covered with waves. It is so low that the enemies think they have buried Christ, with respect to his gospel, in the grave, and there they think to keep him from rising.

But as Christ rose in his person, so he will roll away all stones and rise again in his church. How little support has the church and cause of Christ at this day! How strong a conspiracy is against it. The spirit of antichrist is now lifted up and marches furiously.

Things seem to hang on a small and invisible thread. But our comfort is that Christ lives and reigns, and stands on Mount Zion in defense of those who stand for him (Rev. 14:1); and when states and kingdoms shall dash one against another Christ will have care of his own children and cause, seeing there is nothing else in the world that he much esteems.

At this very time the delivery of his church and the ruin of his enemies are in progress. We see nothing in motion till Christ has done his work, and then we shall see that the Lord reigns."
(Richard Sibbes 1577-1635)


Survey4/29/08 10:38 AM
DJC49 | Florida  Contact via emailFind all comments by DJC49
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Casob's post of 4/29/08 7:40 AM is yet another attempt to spin a thread along Dispensational lines.

The 7 churches John wrote about (and to) in The Revelation were actual, literal churches of John's day each with particular problems.

Throughout Church history, the church has experienced, to a greater or lesser extent, ALL the problems associated with the 7 Churches. Namely, taking their focus away from Christ (Ephesus);
antinomianism and forms of idolatry (Pergamos); sexual immorality and enduring false prophets (Thyatira); nominalism without works (Sardis); lukewarmness (Laodicea).
These, and many other failings can plague a church during ANY time in history.

The notion that the 7 Churches represent 7 AGES of the Church thru history is a contrivance of C.I. Scofield, and, of course, he puts his Dispensationalism within the "Philadelphia" Age giving it the best possible light. What a suprise!

The whole scheme is laughable.

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BTW, the Nicolaitans probably had nothing to do with ruling class/laity. The little we know of them comes from an early church father (Irenaeus) who wrote: "they lead lives of unrestrained indulgence." So it was probably a form of libertinism.


Survey4/29/08 7:40 AM
Casob  Find all comments by Casob
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The preview of the church is written in Rev 2 and 3 in it's entirety.

That is why we have aposltes showing up in Ephesus, which represents the apostolic age. It is sure that the main enemy of Paul is the false Jewish apostles. Read 2 Cor!

Later, you have the Nicolaitins showing up who begin to astablish a ruling class and a laity. You have a synogogue of Satan, Jewish rejection and opposition, and later, Jezebel, the woman teacher and the beginning of the church we now know as the Roman church.

The reformation came later and God says this about this period:

Re 3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
Re 3:4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.

I wish I could develop this some but I do not have ability in 1300 characters but one should read about Sardis because it is the reformation period in church history.

Philadelphia represents the great awakening under men like Moody, It was short lived but God's word was believed and taught and who could wonder that dispensational truths were taught in this period.


Survey3/18/08 2:22 PM
KK | USA  Find all comments by KK
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What is the Lord's Church???

It's not a building and a thirty million ($30,000,000.00) dollar construction project

The True Church is men and women who have experienced God's divine influence upon their hearts, and its reflection in their lives.- It is men and women united in the pursuit of RIGHTEOUSNESS in their own lives toward the implementation thereof as influences and forces for MORAL UPRIGHTNESS in the fabric of their culture !!!

It's not the deadhead compartmentalized ReLiGiOn that we see so much of today ... ReLiGiOn that cowers behind their "501c3" status gathering teachers to themselves that teach only the light and aromatic fluff that tickles their itching ears

The church today is a denominational quagmire of perilous theological discourse that promotes disloyalty rather than FIDELITY.- The perverseness of mens hearts are such that they have reduced THE WHOLE COUNCEL OF SOUND DOCTRINAL TRUTH to a psycotic pandering that focuses many hearts on "their" muddled give to get theology

If you want to know why America has left Her FIRST LOVE just take a good long look at what is being espoused today... i.e. - TBN and many of those who frequent that programming as broadcasters, and some on DayStar, and let us not forget Rev. Jeremiah Wright, etc...

KK


Survey3/18/08 12:09 PM
Minnow  Find all comments by Minnow
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Eph 1:4 "According as *HE* hath *CHOSEN* us in him *BEFORE* the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having *PREDESTINATED US* unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, *ACCORDING* to the good pleasure of *HIS WILL*,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;"

Survey3/12/08 8:08 PM
Mr. J | Australia  Find all comments by Mr. J
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Icon O'Clast wrote:
The Lord's Church is that body of believers, elect from all eternity, bought and paid for by the work of the Lamb of God, out of every nation, tribe and tongue and out of the whole dimension of time - including all OT as well as NT saints, including all redeemed Jews as well as redeemed non-Jews, including all who died in infancy but were in the covenant of grace, and all who remained in "infancy" throughout their life because of biological or accidental damage to their intellectual faculties.
AMEN Icon! That just about sums it up for me. Well said indeed

Survey3/12/08 1:57 AM
Icon O'Clast | Oz  Find all comments by Icon O'Clast
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The Lord's Church is that body of believers, elect from all eternity, bought and paid for by the work of the Lamb of God, out of every nation, tribe and tongue and out of the whole dimension of time - including all OT as well as NT saints, including all redeemed Jews as well as redeemed non-Jews, including all who died in infancy but were in the covenant of grace, and all who remained in "infancy" throughout their life because of biological or accidental damage to their intellectual faculties.

Survey3/11/08 10:03 AM
JD  Find all comments by JD
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The church, with the indwelling Spirit, Son and Father according to Eh 4;6 are born again and has a heavenly inheritance that we will receive at the rapture when this body is complete and the church is given the new body and is translated in and by the Spirit to our heavenly reward leaving the earth in darkness because God is not here.

But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day (The day of the Lord) should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

The subject is in verse 2
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

The Day of the Lord is a day of Darkness:

Am 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end [is] it for you? the day of the LORD [is] darkness, and not light.

It is an appointed day of wrath of God!

Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

The church shall be delivered from the wrath of God!

1Th 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, [even] Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.


Survey3/11/08 8:49 AM
Discerning Believer  Find all comments by Discerning Believer
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You know Mr. J, one of the verses that comes to mind is when Jesus told the woman at the well that "God is a Spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. What is truth, the inventions of man or the word of God?

Anyway, this topic is better discussed here.

[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/survey_details.asp?voteid=pr121406143142]]]Which of these statements best expresses your view of how we should worship?[/URL]

rather than What is the Lord's Church.


Survey3/11/08 8:24 AM
JD  Find all comments by JD
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The Lord's church is his body that began to be formed when the Holy Ghost was sent from heaven at Pentecost in Acts 2 for that purpose. He forms the church of Jesus Christ by first indwelling the penitent believers of his gospel (the death, burial, and resurrection) and then baptizing them into the body he is forming as a functioning member.

1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

This is the baptism that counts:

4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

The church, with the indwelling Spirit, Son and Father according to Eh 4;6 are born again and has a heavenly inheritance that we will receive at the rapture when this body is complete and the church is given the new body and is translated in and by the Spirit to our heavenly reward leaving the earth in darkness because God is not here.

But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of


Survey3/11/08 4:54 AM
Bernard | Australia  Find all comments by Bernard
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Discerning Believer wrote:
Bernard, can you provide a scriptural basis for making the sign of the cross when praying.
There is certainly no scriptural basis for making the sign of the cross. My point however, is that there is no scriptural basis for many of the things done in most churches today. Many and most are broad words, I know. While 'not in scripture' is a good starting point for arguing against the 'sign of the cross', I think that a more thorough treatment would include how it goes against what is in scripture.

Of all the non-scriptural rituals, traditions, objects, etc in the Roman church, I think that making the sign of the cross is really quite low on the list of protestant concerns. This is supported by Luther, if he indeed didn't protest against it.


Survey3/11/08 3:06 AM
Mr. J | Australia  Find all comments by Mr. J
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DB you are absolutely correct. The worship wars didn't start a few years ago, they started with Cain and Abel. It was because one offered in faith and the other because he had to. Hebrews lays out carefully in ch 12 the difference between those who came to the mountain that smoked and those who come to Mt Zion. But it ends with the grave warning, "Therefore since we are receiving a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us have grace, by shich we may serve god acceptably with reverence and godly fear. For our God IS a consuming fire."
There are too many who feel that the so-called liberty we have in Christ allows us to carry on in church any way we want, sing anything we want, do whatever we feel like. If there was one major issue that always came up in Israel's problems it was worship - either by worshipping other gods, worshipping God the wrong way or worshipping the right way with the wrong attitude. If there is one thing God is unbelievably serious about it is how we worship Him. It is the reason why we were created and it is the reason why we were redeemed from sin. Not just so we could have a pleasant life and go to heaven when we die, but that we migh praise and worship the God who made us. I think so much of the church today has lost sight of that.

Survey3/10/08 10:16 PM
Discerning Believer  Find all comments by Discerning Believer
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Bernard, can you provide a scriptural basis for making the sign of the cross when praying. That is what the comment to John Yurich was about.

Also remember the offerings Cain and Abel made before the Lord. One was acceptable and the other was not. Why is that. Why did God destroy Nadab and Abihu for offering strange fire before the Lord. Were they not worshipping God sincerely? But that was not what God commanded them to do and as a result of their doing it their way, God killed them. God is sovereign and He is Lord. Does He not have a right to command how He is to be worshipped?


Survey3/10/08 8:22 PM
Bernard | Australia  Find all comments by Bernard
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Discerned Believer wrote:
If it is not commanded in scripture, it is forbidden, it is unscriptural.
This is a very narrow yardstick. I would be amazed if there was ANY congregation that today did ONLY what is COMMANDED in scripture. Feel free to submit a liturgy for scriptural review...

"For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you" (Matthew 7:2)


Survey9/29/05 10:59 AM
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John Yurich

Your : quote, "The whole mass is not unscriptural..." u/q.

Of the Pharisees, whom Christ dismissed because of their doctrines, Christ teaches, "But in vain do they worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." Matt.15:9.

Yet the Pharisees were zealously orthodox!!

Thus if it is "mans doctrines" today also that is added - whether in mass or any other RCC event - THEN IT IS UNSCRIPTURAL!!!

Thus does Christ dismiss this blasphemous heresy of Rome, and all who would advocate it or support it with their presence - including YOU!!


Survey9/29/05 10:59 AM
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John,

What scripture references doe Luther provide in his catechism as his justification for making the sign of the cross?


Survey9/29/05 10:42 AM
ALBERT | NORTHERN IRELAND  
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IDOL WORSHIPPER,can't you read,DB ask YOU where you get making the sign of the cross NOT LUTHER

THATS WHY"YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN"


Survey9/29/05 10:35 AM
John Yurich | USA  
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Discerned Believer,

Why did Luther retain the practice of making the Sign of the Holy Cross in the Lutheran Church if it is unscriptural to make the Sign of the Cross? Remember that Luther had received Christ as his Savior and Luther still retained the practice of making the Sign of the Holy Cross. Luther stated in his Small and Large Catechisms before praying to make a blessing by making the Sign of the Holy Cross.

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