The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. It's Matt Slick Live! Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at karm.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers. Taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone. Hey, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick. You're listening to Matt Slick Live. I hope you're all going to have a good time listening today. I've been out of the Study a little bit was in Southern California at a conference and spoke on Islam and actually I Spoke on the issues of Christian theology related to certain, you know certain things and I really enjoyed doing that was a lot of fun and some great folks there some great folks and All right. Hey, look, we have nobody waiting. If you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 877-207-2276. Hope you can all hear me. And get all this stuff going. Ben, I'm always pushing the envelope, always pushing on what I've got to get done. I have so much to do all the time. all right now i don't know if any of you were listing at the conference uh... you know if you want to call in and see what you thought of the conference because it was i thought was really good it was really good and was put on by ministry to muslims and uh... Man, they had people there who were saying things that were just incredible, some of the stuff. I was really impressed. I learned a lot, took a lot of notes, and was really blessed. These guys there basically I put it this way, my knowledge of Islam is basically nothing compared to what these guys know. A lot of the guys speak Arabic, they've lived in Arabic nations, even as Americans for years and years at a time, are familiar with the culture, have studied stuff, have learned just things that I'll just never learn. And they were sharing insights, information, and it was really, really good. One of the more interesting things that I encountered there was a gentleman, Dr. Jay, I believe it was, who, his name was Jay Smith, and he presented some stuff on the Quranic scriptures and Hadith scriptures, or sayings, about when they were written and when's the earliest manuscripts of them. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. I need to get information and be able to articulate it and learn it. Of course, give him credit because he did the research. But man, the credibility of the Quran from what he was showing is exceedingly doubtful. and the Hadith exceedingly doubtful. You can't say that these things were all that accurate from what the evidence is. Really interesting stuff and I really enjoyed it. so hey look there you go and uh... if you want to give me a call the number is eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six of the waiting and uh... let's see so so there's a couple things to talk about one uh... is uh... what i talked about at the conference and what i plan to do is to I plan to release the the PowerPoints and the doc the word document that I used In the presentation people were asking for it's what I think I'll do is just release it on CARM I'm gonna find a place to put it put these things so I'm thinking of What I'm thinking of doing is creating a section on CARM just for PowerPoint presentations. And where I'll put a lot of the PowerPoints that I've developed over the years and just put them there for people's use. They can check them out. So that's one of the theories or one of the options I'm working on right now about doing that. and we want people to be able to have access to that information. So I spoke on the hypostatic union, the two natures of Christ, and then I also spoke on what did Christ do on the cross. Now what I'd like to be able to do sometime at a conference is speak for 40 minutes or 45 minutes I'd like to be able to speak on the doctrine of the Trinity and explain what it is, explain how it is arrived at in scripture, and then explain how, when you presuppose the Trinity, you can then make sense of the laws of logic, of moral absolutes, our existence, the issue of the one and the many, universals and particulars. and how the Trinity can provide the basis for explaining and justifying all of them. I would love to do a seminar on that. And I could also do a tangent and show why Unitarianism doesn't work. Binitarianism doesn't work, and modal monarchism doesn't work while doing that. That would be a good seminar. What I would do is have a PowerPoint presentation and handout so people could follow along on the notes and get the information. So that's a dream. I'm hoping it will happen sometime. All right, so there you go. So hey look we have nobody waiting right now I want you to give me a call 877-207-2276 I want to hear from you. After the conference I preached at two sermons on at Calvary Chapel in Norco and it was great the people there were great and I enjoyed doing that and then afterwards we went and had eight and then I taught theology for two hours people were asking me more questions they were also at the seminar at the conference and they went out to hear me preach and they said let's get afterwards and talk. I said I got a couple three hours before I have to be at the airport and he said yes let's do that. So that was really a lot of fun to do as well. I love teaching, I love being able to explain the things of God and the truth of who God is and what he has done. So that was that and I got radio questions. Oh look at that, what is that? So if someone just sends me a link and says, what do you think? Well, I don't know. I wish, you know, if people were going to, if people are going to send me a question, I would prefer that they actually give me something that, you know, is in writing or something. I'm going to do this on the radio because it's a radio question and it's a video I have to watch. I can't do that on the air. So what I do with those in that case is I just hit delete because it doesn't work like that. So if you want to give me a call 877-207-2276. If you want to email me a comment or a question for the radio show you can do that by going to info at karm.org info at karm.org C-A-R-M dot O-R-G and put in the subject line radio comment or radio question and then we can get to those and that's what I'm looking at right now so I think we'll get to that in a little bit we've got a caller coming in and we have three open lines numbers 877 2 0 7 2 2 7 6 let's get to Imez from Charlotte, North Carolina. Welcome. You're on the air. Thank you. No, I'm just confused. America is sitting out there in the ocean while Israel is being shredded by Hezbollah. Am I missing something? Well, do you have a question? No? Well, I don't know. Can you explain it to me? I mean, I don't understand. Is it something that I am missing or am not understanding? Well, I'm not sure. I don't know what you're understanding or not understanding. What's your question? All right, never mind. Thank you. OK. All right. Sure. By the way, the American ships are out there. Now, I don't know what the question was, but they are supporting Israel. They're doing asset support. We have a, I know that America has a strong alliance with Israel and rightfully so, it's good. Doesn't mean everything that Israel does is right, but at least we have covenants with them and treaties with them and things like that. So the ships are providing varying areas of logistical support for the Israelis and along with intelligence gathering and things like that. So, I don't know what else to tell you beyond that. So, hey look, if you want to give me a call, the number is 877-207-2276. Now, someone sent an email. In Acts 2.38, when the crowd asked what they need to be saved, they were told to repent and be baptized. Now let's check this out. And it says the question is what they need to do to repent and be saved. Let's go and see if that's what the question was. Because in verse 36, Acts 2 36, Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified. Now, when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, Brethren, what shall we do? Now, he doesn't say, what do we do to get saved? He just says, what do we do? And then Peter says, repent, each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit for the promises for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord God will call to himself. So the questioner says in Acts 2 38 when the crowd asked what they need to do to be saved But it doesn't say that in there doesn't say that it's it's really important now some of my say well That's what they're asking about. Well, maybe it is but maybe it's not because They said what do we do in light of what in light of the Holy Spirit's movement upon the Jews and the Gentiles and And it says, what do we do? They weren't sure what to do. He says, be baptized, you'll receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. But the gift of the Holy Spirit is not salvation. The gift of the Holy Spirit is the charismatic work, the charismatic gifts. And it's referenced right there in Acts chapter 2, where they were moving in the charismatic gifts and speaking in tongues, interpretation of tongues, and tongues of fire were on them. And in Acts chapter 10, 44-48, the gifts of the Holy Spirit have been poured on them for they were hearing them speaking with tongues. So it certainly seems to be the case that the gift of the Holy Spirit is the movement of the charismatic gifts. So that's why I don't say that Acts 2.38 is a verse about being saved. It's about something else. Most people don't hold that position, but that's what I see. The email goes on and says, but in Acts 16.31, the jailer guard was told to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved. So let's go to Acts 16, 31, and we'll check it out, all right? We'll see what, always read the context, and don't assume that someone's question is accurately asked reflecting of the text. Now in Acts 2, 36 through 38, it doesn't say to be saved, but could make the case that it's there? Could be, but it doesn't say that. So this is what it says in Acts 16, starting in verse 28. Paul cried out with a loud voice, do not harm yourself. This is after the earthquake. The prison doors were open. He says, we're all here. And they called for the lights and rushed in. And trembling with fear, he fell down before Paul and Silas. After he brought them out, he said, sirs, what must I do to be saved? Now right there, that's what the question is. And then he says, believe in the Lord Jesus. You'll be saved in you and your household. So there's no conflict here, because in Acts 2.38 it does not say to be saved. But it does say you'll receive the forgiveness of sins. So we can say though, that with Acts 2.38, that when they're talking about this, Peter is saying, repent, each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus for the forgiveness of your sins and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Now, here's the question. Are you being baptized in order to obtain the forgiveness of sins? Or are you being baptized because you have the forgiveness of your sins? It's a recognition of that, and in that baptism, you receive the charismatic kiss. You see, this is the kind of stuff we have to ask. And there's the break. We'll be right back, ladies and gentlemen, right after these messages. Please, stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone, welcome back to the show. Hope you're enjoying it. Hey, I just want to let you know that we are also now broadcasting on X or Twitter. So I went and took some stuff, took care of some stuff over the weekend that made that possible. So now you can watch us there as well, watch the radio show as well. Praise God for that. All right. All right. So there we go. And I want you to give me a call, 877-207-2276. I want to hear from you. Give me a call. Now let's get back on to some radio questions. A little bit slow right now. And what we'll do is get on and do some more questions people have sent in. So this person who asked about Acts 2.38 and Acts 16.31 goes on and says, I thought it was Jesus who justified us through faith in Him. That is true. And as a result, we continue to turn to Him and repent and live in obedience to Him as Lord the rest of our life. Is it wrong to believe in faith justifies us and not our repentance? Of course, that's correct. Repentance does not make us right before God. Repentance is compliance with the law. God says, don't lie. So if you're lying and you find out, don't lie, you comply with that law. That's a repentance. But that's not what makes you right before God. The blood of Christ does that, not your repentance. Though you should repent. He goes on and says, Acts 2.38 confuses me because the crowd was told repent instead of believe. Let's go back to Acts 2.38. And to remind all of you, about this issue because it is worth spending a little bit of time on and about. It says, repent and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Now, in the name of Jesus is a phrase that means in the authority of. That's what's going on there. And so let's get into some of the Greek. I'll talk about this a little bit, see if I can slow down a little. So, some say that Acts 2.38 is a proof text for salvation. Well, no it's not. The phrase in Greek for the forgiveness of sins is eis aphesin hermartion. that exact same Greek phrase is found in Mark 1.4 and Luke 3.3. They're found exactly there. In Mark 1.4, it says, John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. And Luke 3.3, and he came into all the district around the Jordan preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. And again, We have Matthew 26-28, for this is my blood of the covenant that is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sin. It's slightly different. So what we're going to focus on is Mark 1-4 and Luke 3-3, where it says the exact same phrase that's used, exact same Greek construction, exact same phraseology, that's used in Acts 2-38. So now let's go over this a little. If Acts 2.38 is teaching that baptism is necessary for salvation and the phrase for the forgiveness of sins means that that's how you obtain salvation, then the exact same phrase used in Mark 1.4 and Luke 3.3 about John the Baptist baptizing them for the forgiveness of sins then that would mean then if the phrase for the forgiveness of sins means you obtain forgiveness of sins by that baptism then it would mean then that John the Baptist's baptism got you forgiveness of sins. Those people who were baptized in John the Baptist's baptism were then forgiven. This is what I ask people. Does it mean then for the forgiveness of sins means to obtain forgiveness of sins? Does it then mean that in Mark 1-4, Luke 3-3, that John the Baptist baptized for the forgiveness of sins, that they were forgiven. If they say yes, then I ask them, well, did they have to get baptized again in the Trinity later on? It's just a question, and then we talk about what they might say, yes or no. Or how about this question? If they were forgiven of their sins by that baptism, then did they have to go into the temple to offer any more sacrifices since they're forgiven of their sins by the baptism of John the Baptist, but the new covenant still wasn't instituted. with the blood of Christ had been offered that cleanses us of our sins. So what do they do? Because if they're forgiven of their sins, they don't need to go offer sacrifices in the temple. But if they're not forgiven, then they need to. So are they supposed to offer the sacrifices or not? This is a very difficult question for them to answer. They haven't thought of that. So, these are some of the things that I will quiz them on and then teach them on that stuff about what it really is getting at. So there's a lot on Acts 2.38 that a lot of people don't get and questions that are related to the Greek for the forgiveness of sins which is used elsewhere in Mark 1.4 and Luke 3.3 in regard to John the Baptist's baptism. Let's get to Elijah. from pennsylvania larger welcome on the air in that uh... uh... i i don't have a question for you uh... so uh... are thing dot who but you know that you know a few weeks ago about the uh... preacher rapture you could it was too long to watch so i'm here to present to you a another argument that he brought up in that video and i would like to know what you think about sharing those who are slow to them uh... I'm sorry, say that again. Let's go through it slowly and take a look. So I'm looking at Isaiah 26, so now where do we go? Yeah, his verses are in Isaiah 26, 19 through 21. 19-21 your dead will live their corpses will rise you who lie in the dust awake and shout for joy for your due is as the due of the dawn and the earth will give birth to the departed spirits Come, my people, enter into your rooms and close your doors behind you. Hide for a little while until the indignation runs its course. For behold, the Lord is about to come out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity. And the earth will reveal her bloodshed and will no longer cover her slain. OK, go ahead. Yes, so his argument is that the the chambers or the rooms In verse 20 that God tells his people to go into, he said that he believes that's referring to marital chambers. So like, he thinks it's referring to like the marriage supper of the lambs, so God's telling them to go in there and wait. And he believes that, he said that it's clear this is talking about end times of the return of the Lord, day of judgment on the wicked. And he said that this is proof that he's talking about preacher rapture, because he said in verse 19, it says the dead rise. And he says, well, the dead rises at the second coming of Jesus at the rapture. And then he also says, he also points out, yeah, so he said that's the rapture right there. But then God tells the people to go into their inner rooms or chambers until his wrath is passed by. And then in verse 21, of the Lord punishes the wicked, and then it says the earth will disclose the blood that is shed on it, and that reminds me of the verse in, I think it's 2 Peter, well, I think it's chapter three, where it says in some translations that the earth will uncover the sins, or the blood, or something like that. Well, hold on, we got a break coming up, and let's talk about it afterwards, okay? All right, we'll be right back. Hey folks, hold on, I'll be right back after these messages, please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Everybody, welcome back to the show. Hope you're enjoying it. Let's get to Elijah. You still there, butter? Yep, I'm still here. Okay, so I think that this is one of the better verses that people can go to in support of pre-tribulation rapture. I think it's one of the better areas. But, does it prove pre-trib? Well, some are going to say yes, and maybe not. So the chambers, come my people, enter into your rooms and close your doors behind you. Hide for a little while until the indignation runs its course. That's exactly what happened, for example, in the time of God's judgment upon Egypt when they went into their own chambers, their own homes, and they were there during it. They were right there in the midst of the tribulation period. in the judgment of God upon the nation around them and they were in it but they were protected while they were in their inner chambers so we know that's historical now is that what this is referring to it may or may or may not be he goes on he says for behold the Lord is about to come out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity and the earth will reveal her bloodshed and will no longer cover the slain so I can see why people would go to this and say, you know what, I think this is the rapture. Well, maybe it is, maybe it isn't. To back up, the dead will live, the corpses will rise, you who lie in the dust awake and shout for joy. For your do is a do of the dawn and the earth will give birth to the departed spirits so as you said what they're gonna say about this is that's the the Resurrection that occurs of the dead before the rapture occurs. This is out of first Thessalonians 4 16 through chapter 5 verse 2 It says for the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout with the voice of the archangel And the trumpet of God and the dead in Christ will rise first And we who are alive and are made for the cut of the gutter in the air in the clouds so some people are are relating that idea of the rapture to this and let's work with that let's see your dead will live your corpse will rise and you will lie in the dust awake and shout for joy for your due is the due of the dawn and the earth will give birth to the departed spirits and then come my people enter in your room so they say that's the resurrection of the good and then the rapture occurs they say see it fits the order well that would work if it wasn't for Matthew 13 In Matthew 13, 30, allow both to go together. That's the wicked and the good, the weak and the tares. All right. Allow both to go together until the harvest. Jesus says, in the time of the harvest, I'll say to the reapers, first gather the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up. but gather the wheat into my barn." That's the rapture. The harvest is when God collects his people. And Jesus then interprets the parable and says in verse 39, the enemy who sowed the tares is a devil and the harvest is the end of the age. The reapers are the angels. Just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will set forth his angels, will gather out of his kingdom all stumbling blocks. And those who commit lawlessness will throw them into the furnace of fire. Now, the point I'm trying to make here is that what Jesus says is that at the harvest time, which we know is the rapture, the first ones taken are the wicked, not the good. This blows a lot of people's minds when they see this. And I show it to people and they're like, their eyebrows just shoot up. What? There it is. So if we understand the clear teaching of what the New Testament says, that the wicked are taken first and they're taken to judgment. And then we know from 1 Thessalonians 4 that those who died in faith are resurrected and then the rapture occurs. Then we know that the order here is that it looks like the wicked are the ones taken first, then the resurrection of the good, and then the rapture of those who remain. That seems to be the order from what Jesus himself teaches. Now if we go back to Isaiah 26, and starting at 19, your dead will live, their corpses will arise, you who lie in the dust awake and shout for joy. If that's the resurrection of the good Then it means then that the resurrection of the with a judgment of the bad has already taken place Because those come in by people enter near rooms and close your doors behind you Hide for a little while till the kingdom runs its course the indignation runs its course well if this is the pre-chip rapture and seven years is going to happen and And then Jesus comes back for the judgment, and it doesn't fit what Jesus said, because he said, the first was taken out of the wicked at the end of the age, which is when the rapture occurs. So when we go to Isaiah 26, we have a problem making it fit into what Jesus himself taught. And so, that's why I brought up earlier that the people of the Jews who were in the nation of Egypt during the tribulation of the people upon the wicked, the good, the people of God were in it and In their rooms, in it, in their abodes, they were kept safe during that time. So if that is biblical, and he says, come, my people, enter into your rooms and close your doors behind you. Hide for a little while till your indignation runs course. If they want to say it's the rapture, then they have to conclude from Matthew 13 that the wicked are taken first. And would they then say, the wicked are taken first here in Isaiah 26? And if they say no, the wicked are not, then it doesn't fit the timeline that Jesus has given. Because he says, behold, the Lord is about to come out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth. So that's the indignation, the judgment, of which it looks like the Jews will be there, because that's what he's talking about, during that period of time. And if it's the whole world later, then the Christians are going to be there during it, just as the Jews were there during it, during the time of Israel, when they went into their houses. OK? See? So it's not as clear as they want it to be. OK? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I was thinking maybe the rooms could be referring to the rooms of the New Jerusalem that comes out of heaven, but I think I might be getting my timeline mixed up, because I think that probably happened after. but I'm not really sure. So the thing is that if someone were to use only that verse, they could make the case for it. And as I say to people, I think there's strengths and weaknesses to every position, every eschatological position. And I think this is an area of scripture that is a strength for the pre-tribbers. However, When I show them, for example, Matthew 24, Luke 17, two men are in the field, one is taken, one is left. I show them that that's the wicked who are taken. And then I show them in Matthew 13 that the wicked are taken before the good are taken. Then this has to be at the end of the age when the judgment of the wicked occurs, which means it can only be after the tribulation period. They have to fit the whole thing and not just one or two verses, you see. Yeah. Um, also, also the other day I had, I had read, uh, uh, Zachariah chapter 14. And, uh, you know, I think, I think this is now one of my favorite chapters in the Bible because I love reading about, you know, end times prophecy and, um, and this entire chapter is about that. Um, uh, this seems to, this seems to like go against the, uh, the all millennial position. Cause I know that you accept that, but, um, this, This seems to support an actual millennial reign of Christ. And I can't... Oh, I think it's over here towards the end of the chapter, because somewhere around here it talks about... I mean, verse 19, it talks about... It says, this will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up and celebrate the festival of tabernacles. And it goes on to say, I think, in previous or verses after that about, you know, people who don't come, the nations that don't come to worship the Lord on the earth in those days of rain will not fall on their land and all this other stuff. So it seems to be that there are still sinful people on earth at this time when the Lord is reigning on the earth. So this seems to support an actual thousand year reign of Christ on the earth. So I would like to know your thoughts on Zechariah 14. Well, it says the punishment of Egypt. That means Egypt is a nation that's being discussed that's going to be punished. Is this, is it future? Is it a thousand year reign issue when the punishment of Egypt occurs? And if they want to say that Egypt is not literally this Egypt, well then, then they can't say that it's literal 1,000 years in the millennium. If they say, well, it is Egypt, then we have to deal with what context? Because it's the sin of Egypt. And what was the sin of Egypt? Well, in part, it was the punishment or the enslavement of the people of Israel. So this will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations who do not go up to the feasts of the booths. Well, we Christians don't celebrate the feasts of the booths. So now is it going to say the punishment is occurring to the Christians now? So to say that this millennial already, just right from the beginning, has problems. Hey, we've got a break. Hold on, buddy. Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Hey everybody, welcome back to the show. Let's get back on with Elijah, then we'll get to Warren, who wants to talk about baptism. So let's give another couple of minutes here, Elijah. Okay, so did that help any? you don't have to help some but um... uh... what what we were on break i uh... what what earlier in the chapter i want to i found uh... that correct fourteen verse eight and it says on that day living water will flow out of jerusalem half of it east to the dead sea and half of it west to the mediterranean sea in summer and winter in the cross reference here my bible uh... cross-references this verse with Revelation 22 1 to 2 so so that's why I say this chapter seems to be referring to the millennial reign of Christ on the earth during like a new Jerusalem Yeah, I could see why they would say that. Half went one direction, half went the other, but in Revelation 22 it doesn't talk about that. What it does talk about in Revelation 22 is that the river of water of life, this is very symbolic, as clear as crystal. Now this is referencing in the Old Testament of Exodus 24.9-11 where Moses, Aaron, Abed, and Abihu went up and saw the God of Israel and his feet were on a crystal sea. So this is referencing the throne work of God and it's very important for that, the tree of life, the spiritual aspect. So, in Zechariah, that day, living waters will flow out of Jerusalem. Now, we have to ask the question, is it literally the city of Jerusalem? Because if they're going to say in the Millennial Kingdom that Jerusalem is literal, and waters go north and south, or excuse me, east and west, they're living waters. Well, to be honest, what does it mean to say living waters flow out of the city of Jerusalem and one goes towards the Western Sea and one towards the Eastern? And they're living waters. So if that's the case, that we ask these questions, I don't see it being literal. in that these waters are living and that if you drink them you can have life or whatever because of it and to relate it to Revelation 22 which speaks about the spiritual aspect of God's throne and the water of life which is symbolic I have a problem connecting them with a cross-reference. And if we go back to Zechariah 14.8, and we say, like I said, if it's a literal Jerusalem and literal waters, then why are they called living waters? These are just questions you've got to ask. And what I notice a lot of people do is they don't ask very many questions. They'll say, for example, and I can cross-reference you cited, well, the day the living waters flooded Jerusalem. So you see, that's about the millennial kingdom. And it's referenced with Revelation 22, which is the water of life. Well, then they stop thinking. Start asking questions. And see, well, wait a minute. Do they relate to each other? Are they just using symbols? Is it identical or what? And people in my area, I'm amazed. They just, they see what they like. I'm done thinking. That's what it means. And then I come along and ask questions and they don't know what to do with them. Do you see the problem there? Okay. All right, buddy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And also some people think that the river of the water of life of Revelation 22 is symbolic of the Holy Spirit. What do you think about that? I don't know, because it's symbolic. They can think it's symbolic of the Holy Spirit. Maybe it is, but maybe it's not. This is why I say with people, if you're going to make an eschatological position, Don't develop it out of the places of symbology. Develop it out of the places that are hardcore direct. This age, the age to come, when the trumpet occurs, when the voice of the archangel occurs, What happens at the end of the age? You just map them out and that changes things. But what people do for the rapture pre-trib that I've found is go to places that are symbolic and then they try and read literalness into the symbolism instead of doing it the other way around. Okay? Alright, buddy? Okay. Alright, man. Okay, God bless. Have a good one. You too. Alright, now let's get to Warren. Thanks for waiting, Warren. So what do you got, buddy? Yes, sir. uh... yes sir you're talking earlier about uh... the book of acts baptismal uh... i actually enjoyed hearing your previous caller there's different good point you brought out there and i've listened to you very frequently quite a bit i've never called in i am in ministry but i just want to get your viewpoint possibly help the body of christ that in that act two thirty eight baptism like you were talking about earlier, did that some people have to go back later and get baptized in the Trinity. And because of the doctrines that we have all across the body of Christ across the world, we're separated when Psalms tells us the Lord wishes that we would all dwell in unity. So for the edification, I wanted to get your viewpoint on if I have an apostolic ministry, if somebody that's come in has been baptized in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit, Personally, I don't think it's right for me to not receive them in love as a brother or sister in the Lord, to encourage them to be baptized another way, because I think doctrinally, according to the Word, it is biblical, it is written. Shouldn't the body receive one another in love? Hold on, you're confusing me a little bit. Um, so yes, they should be baptized. If they're baptized in the Trinitarian formula, then they don't need to be baptized again. Not a problem. So I'm not sure what you're getting at though. Right. My question in relation to what you just understood, what I was stating is that I think as a man of God as a Christian in ministry, I should receive any person that's been baptized that's already received the Lord as their Savior, confessed him as God, Lord, came into flesh. You know, I think if I'm an apostolic doctrine church, or even if I'm a Trinitarian church, if someone comes into a hold of the ministry where I'm at... You said, if you're an apostolic church or even a Trinitarian church, that implies then that the apostolic church you're affirming in is not Trinitarian. At that point, I got to stop and say, what do you mean? Well, yes, sir. Exactly. Uh, some of the comments earlier that you were making because of the doctrinal differences of the different denominations in today's body of believers across the world. If you go to a, Act 238 baptism in the name of Jesus Christ. You were just talking about that. It's a false baptism. If they do the formula in the name of Jesus, that's how they're baptized. Then that's a false baptism. It's not obeying Christ. If you're talking about apostolic stuff like United Apostolic where they deny the Trinity, they're not even Christian. Right, because they encourage people to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sins. I think you just explained that to a decaller before. Yes, sir. No, I'm saying that the one this Pentecostal, the people who deny the Trinity and believe that God is only one person and add works to salvation by baptism and or speaking in tongues. They're not Christians. It's a cult. That's what I'm saying. Right. Right. I understand what you're saying. That's what I'm OK. That's the reason I'm approaching you this way instead of just asking you a simple question. But I do value I do value your intelligence. and how you help so many people. I was just trying to get you, because you are on the air, to bring clarity to people that are believers in the scriptures in that area. I appreciate it. I do. Well, you're awesome. I mean, you know, like I'm saying and like you're saying, there is a lot of division because of lack of clarity of the proper understanding of the Word of God. I'm just asking this so people would think about where they are so they can come more wholeheartedly with the clarity of thought. of where they are and who they are in Christ. That's right. That's one of the things I'm hoping to do by teaching the word of truth on the radio. So praise God. And you're doing a great job, and you are right now, too. All right. Well, I thank you for taking my call. Lord bless you. Sure, no problem. Okay, God bless. All right, now let's get to next longest waiting is Mona. Mona, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, can you hear me? Yes, I can. So what do you got? All right. I don't know how much you're going to let me stay on the air, but, um, if Kamala Harris gets to be president, the heads of these other countries are not going to deal with her because she's not acting like a woman and she's not dressing like a woman. And my proof of that is when, sir, I went to Abram and said, yes, Do you have a question about this, though, or what? No, I just wanted to approach women at large and say that we need to start acting like women and start dressing like women and not acting like what God would call a harlot. And we're going to see this if Kamala Harris gets to be president. Wow. And the country's not going to deal with that. But I tell you what, if you can form a question, though, we can talk about something that would be worth doing. So why don't you review all that, and then develop a question out of it, and call back, and we can talk about it, OK? We appreciate that. Let's get to Leroy from Virginia. Leroy, welcome. You're on the air. Leroy. Leroy, buddy. Hey. Leroy, you're on the air. How you doing? I'm doing all right, man. What do you got, buddy? Yeah, buddy. Um, your name, Matt, right? Yes. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. So, uh, I've been listening for a while and can you explain about X two 38 please? Cause I heard a lot of people ask a lot of questions about baptism and there was, you know, a couple of people at the last one to my X two 38, and the trinity every it's between actually two thirty-eight and trinity can you explain both of them please we don't really have two minutes which we difficult to get those okay we're in two minutes but as you go ahead but I was going to say you could call back tomorrow we can talk about them but in the meantime ax 238 is not a formula for salvation a lot of people say Go ahead. A lot of people say it is, but you ask a question. Is it a formula for salvation? If they say yes, then you ask them. If it's a formula for salvation, then why is faith not mentioned? If it's a formula, if it's what you do to get saved, why is faith not mentioned in there? That's the first question you've got to ask. If they say it's implied, you say, but it's not mentioned. You said it was a formula. But it's not, is it? If they say, baptize in the name of Jesus, that's simply a phrase that's used in Acts 4.7 to designate the authority of someone, like stop in the name of the law, baptize in the name of Jesus. And how they're baptized is by quoting what Jesus said to do in Matthew 28, 19, 20, baptizing in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. And it says, for the forgiveness of sins, it doesn't mean you obtain the forgiveness of sins there. Because the phrase, for the forgiveness of sins, is used in Mark 1, 4 and Luke, I forget where it was, Mark 1, 4, specifically where it says John the Baptist baptized for the forgiveness of sins. Does that mean that John's baptism gave them forgiveness of sins? And if so, did they need to get baptized again later in the Trinitarian baptism? Did they need to offer sacrifices? There are all kinds of problems with that position. And we're out of time, brother. Sorry about that. Call back tomorrow, we can talk some more about it, because it's worth getting into. God bless. Okay Alberto, gotta call back tomorrow also. Hey, may the Lord bless you all by his grace. We're back on air tomorrow, and we'll talk to you then. Have a great evening. Another program powered by the Truth Network.