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All right, welcome to our Bible
study tonight. I appreciate those who are joined,
waiting, ready to go. We are getting into a subject
that I consider to be one of the more difficult to teach just
because there's so much ground to cover. It's not really possible
that I could ever cover it all in one lesson. I picked one specific
avenue tonight that I'm going to use to try to answer this
question. But to be fair, it's a bigger question than I could
answer in one hour long lesson. It would have to be considerably
longer to do a justifiable answer to the question. So there's two
things to note before I get started. One is I'm going to trust people
to watch some of the other videos that I'll be referencing and
building some of this upon. And two, I'll trust that people
will stick it through and listen to the arguments given and maybe
take some of the stuff that I'll throw out at the end extra and
study some of that as well. Maybe listen to some of the future
lessons where we're going into this a little bit deeper. Because
this is what I find to be the consistent reason why people
struggle so much about the rapture itself is because it's not a
small doctrine. It's not something where the
Bible gives you one verse and it's like, this is the verse
that answers all the questions you'll ever have about this.
It is something that no matter what belief system you're coming
into this with today, Let's say you were somebody who were coming
into this with a mid-trib, pre-wrath, post-trib, whatever, post any
of that kind of stuff, then you still need to do a few things.
One, you need to apply the same level of scrutiny that I'm going
to apply to the pre-tribulation rapture today to whatever it
is you believe. Ask the same questions that you're
asking of a pre trip rapture You have to ask it of your own
because you have to be able to answer those questions as well You can't
I mean It's literally how the cults get around trying to attack
stuff as they try to apply questions to the doctrines of the Bible
But not to their own beliefs So you have to be able to apply
the same level of standard to whatever belief system you're
coming into this with tonight But also you have to be willing
to study more than just one verse one book one chapter and think
okay I've got it all figured out So it's a much bigger doctrine
than that. Every piece of the puzzle has
to fit. That's always the rule. So with that said, I'm going
to go ahead and get into this. I'm going to probably try to
avoid the comments a little bit in this one. Because this is
one of those subjects that's far more likely to get somebody
to come in the comments who is not normally part of the studies
and put stuff that's going to distract me. So for our benefit,
I'll probably try to avoid the comments during the first part.
But if you leave a comment, go ahead. If you have a question,
go ahead, do it. If you have a comment, go ahead and leave it and I'll get
to it later. That's what I mean. I'm not going to ignore you.
I'm just not going to get to it in the middle of my lesson. So
we're going to use 2 Thessalonians 2 as our jumping off point. This
is for anybody who is against a pre tribulation rapture. This
is going to be their main passage. They'll go to to disprove it,
so I'm going to go use it as the primary passage for our structure
tonight for looking at the question asking is it is the rapture before
the tribulation as what's commonly been believed in Baptist churches?
Is that correct? I mean, that's what's been preached.
Admittedly, and I'll give this up front for anybody who's coming
at this with a different belief. If you don't believe that, then
let me explain to you the way this Bible study works is that
I'm going to look at this using the Bible as our answer as our
guide, but I'm going to look at it in a very almost scientific
way where we ask a question, we look at the evidence, we compare
the results and so forth, and we come forward with a hypothesis
and a conclusion. And then you can judge for yourself
what you believe about it. But I will admit that a lot of
the preaching that goes on in churches today, a lot of the
reasons that are given and the proof text and so forth are not
good. And I'm going to say up front
that I do believe that the rapture is before the tribulation. I'll
say that very clearly, very plainly. And I want you to give me a chance
to show you why. But I'll admit most of what you've
probably heard in your lifetime, if you've heard that kind of
preaching is probably not good. It's a lot of stuff out of context,
a lot of misunderstandings, a lot of bad proof text because a lot
of people preach it without really understanding why because of
the reason I gave in the beginning. It's a very complicated doctrine
that you can't just read one verse and walk away with all
the answers. Even if you were one of the other
forms of belief, you couldn't do that because the Bible has
way too much when it comes to prophecy. For you to read one
book or one passage or one chapter and walk away with all the information
you have to compare scripture with scripture So the hypothesis
or the question is is the rapture really before the tribulation
the hypothesis I'm proposing is that yes it is I do believe
it is and I am going to give you some reasoning as to why
and so I'm gonna try to explore a slightly different avenues
than what we normally do with this because a Lot of the normal
proofs and evidences I would give I've done a lot of preaching
and a lot of studies on So I'm not gonna try to go down those
roads as much I'm gonna try to take some different directions
that way I'm giving something new to my people who are used
to what I have to say on this subject so second Thessalonians
chapter 2 verse number 1 and Now we beseech you, brethren,
by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and by our gathering together
unto him, that you be not soon shaken in mind or troubled, neither
by spirit nor by word nor by letter as from us, as that the
day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any
means, for that day shall not come except there come a falling
away first, and that the man of sin be revealed, the son of
perdition, who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called
God or that is worshipped, so that he as God sitteth in the
temple of God, showing himself that he is God. Remember ye not
that when I was yet with you, I told you these things, and
now ye know what withholdeth, that he might be revealed in
his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth
already work. Only he who now let us will let
until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that wicked
be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume in the spirit of his
mouth and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.
Even him whose coming is after the working of Satan, with all
power and signs and lying wonders and with all deceivableness of
unrighteousness and them that perish because they receive not
the love of the truth that they might be saved. And for this
cause God shall send them strong delusion that they should believe
a lie. that they all might be damned
who believe not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
Now, this is one of those passages that I think both sides of the
aisle really mess it up. The people who believe in the
pre-trib rapture and those who don't. I believe both sides really
mess it up. And again, we're preaching why
we believe in a pre-trib rapture tonight. So if you're coming
in late, don't worry, we're going that direction. But I still believe
a lot of people who preach in the right doctrine preach this
verse very wrong, like how they get to it is wrong when it comes
to this verse. And the reason I say that is because you'll
have guys and we have people we respect. We have preacher friends
of mine who have preached for us in live streams and stuff
who will talk about this passage, and they'll say that there was
a letter that was written and Paul's responding to that letter
and so forth. But you don't have that anywhere
in the Bible. To come to that conclusion, you'd have to go outside of the
Bible. And so therefore we know it's not a Bible doctrine. The
Bible is a self-defining, self-contained book, and if I have to get my
doctrine from outside of it, it's not Bible doctrine. It's
an opinion at best. Now, the other ways that people
come to this is they'll argue the difference between the day
of the Lord and the day of Christ. And to be honest, the arguments
they make are normally wrong because the day of Christ does
normally speak to the rapture. And so when you look at it, he
is very much talking about the gathering together. He is talking
about the he is talking about the rapture when he says this.
Now, the one other thing I want to get into before I actually
start trying to explain the passage and show how to rightly divide
it is that you notice in this passage, the rapture is a reality.
So if you're coming into this lesson and you're expecting me
to waste 20 minutes of my lesson showing you that the rapture
is in the Bible, then you have to go look for a different lesson
on our channel because I've done lessons where I talk about that.
But we're approaching this with the understanding the rapture
is very much a Bible doctrine. And now we're going to answer
the question about is it before the tribulation? And so the people
who would tell you that it's not before where they mess this
chapter up is they read this and they think, I've got a smoking
gun. I have proof now because they
think it says that the Antichrist has to come before the church
can be taken out. That's not at all what it says.
Let's go back and read it more carefully. Now we beseech you,
brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and by our
gathering together into him. That's the rapture. That's what
the rapture is. The rapture, if you want a definition of what
it is, because you will not find the word in the Bible, but the
doctrine is very straightforward. It is the gathering together
of of the believers to Christ and that resurrection that comes
with it that's described in First Corinthians 15 and several other
passages. And we'll read some of those later on. He says, I'm
writing concerning this concerning gathering together in verse two,
that you be not soon shaken in mind or troubled neither by spirit
nor by word nor by letter as from us. And that's where people
will argue the letter. But that's he doesn't say there
was a letter written. He's saying, don't worry if someone does write
a letter. as that the day of the Lord, as at the day of Christ
is at hand. Now, the thing is the day of
the Lord would refer back, would refer more to the tribulation
itself and the, especially the second coming of Christ. But
he doesn't say the day of the Lord. He does say the day of
Christ. And if you look, it's not said much. It's only a couple,
two, three, four times in the Bible and all of them do point
to the rapture. So that argument by trying to
change it around and say, well, it's talking about the second,
the second coming doesn't work either. So when we get to verse
three is where the real issue comes about It says let no man
deceive you by any means for that day shall not come Except
there come a falling away first and that the man of sin be revealed
the son of perdition So you notice if you pay careful attention
to the wording the actual answer is right here in this verse everything
you need to know is right here in this verse that the first thing
that's going to come the only thing listed as coming before
the rapture is is that there will be a falling away. So what
happens is a lot of people read this and they come to the conclusion,
okay, the rapture has to come and the Antichrist has to be
revealed first. But he doesn't say they both
come first. He says the falling away comes first and that, that
meaning, you know, okay, and after that or next or so forth,
and that the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition. So the
way that's worded, you could read it if you really, really
wanted to, to say that it's saying it would come first. But if you
pay attention to the rest of the chapter, what it would seem
to say more so is that the Antichrist being revealed would immediately
follow after that. That day, if the day has come
that Christ is gathering together the believers and the resurrection
is happening, that that same day the Antichrist is going to
be revealed. So it's more of a warning that,
look, you know, before this is going to happen, there will be
a great falling away. So the fact that you haven't seen that means
that, you know, you don't have to worry about it. But the real
evidence is that if it had happened, the Antichrist would have been
revealed already. And so this actually answers two questions.
The other question, and this is another one of those issues
where a lot of times preacher of doctrine is right, but the
preaching is not so good as far as proving it. is you have a
lot of arguments about, well, does the rapture begin immediately,
or the tribulation begin immediately after the rapture? And that would
say, yes, the answer is it has to begin immediately because
the breaking of this barrier, the thing that's holding it back
from happening, is the rapture. And that's where you see that
the rest of the context really does point in that direction.
Now, I know there's people who don't like it. There's people
who fight tooth and nail, whatever they can, to try not to see it
in the passage. But again, you have to use the
same level of scrutiny no matter what you come to this with. So
verse four says, whoso opposeth and exalteth himself above all
that is called God. This is just a statement of who
he is. This is not saying he will do this before or even immediately,
because this is stuff that takes place later on. This is even
after the midway point. So if you tried to believe that
this was happening before, you'd have to switch to be a post trip
rapture if you were middle or so. It says who so opposes than
exalted himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped
So that he is he as God sitteth in the temple of God showing
himself that he is God Remember ye not that when I was with you
I told you these things and now you know that now you know what
withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time For the
mystery of iniquity doth already work. So he's saying look there's
something you already know this and he's telling the Thessalonian
church that you know this because I already talked to you about
this and When I was there, I explained to you that he would not be able
to come because there's something holding him back. And he says,
now you know what it is that's holding him back until the time
that he can be revealed. For the mystery of iniquity does
already work. Only he who now let it will let
until he be taken out of the way and then shall that wicked
be revealed. So now what comes next again
is a statement of who he is, the stuff about the Lord consuming
him. So if you go back to the context, and again, good Bible
doctrine should mean that you look at the context, not that
you just take one verse out of this chapter and say, okay, I've
got it all figured out. The context says that you can know that the
tribulation period has not come and that the rapture hasn't come
and all this kind of stuff, because if the rapture had happened,
then now you would have the Antichrist being revealed, and he goes back
and explains that there's something, someone, it's referred to as
a person, he, he who now letteth will let, someone is holding
back the Antichrist from being revealed. Now, it'd be easy to
say that would be God the Father. The problem is that says that
person's in the world and he's working, he's holding back the
mystery of iniquity that's already working in the world, you know,
the Antichrist and his kingdom that's already working in the
background. He's holding it back from being revealed and that
he'll be taken out of the way. So God the Father is not going
to be taken out of the way. God the Son is already on the throne
in heaven. There leaves two decent possible answers to that. One
is the Holy Spirit himself, the ministry he took upon himself
at the day of Pentecost, wherein Jesus said when he comes, so
people who struggle with, well, how can the Holy Spirit be taken
away? Well, how could he come? You know, it's a dumb argument. I'm not trying to be rude, but
that's a dumb argument when you argue, how can the Holy Spirit
be taken away? when he literally has multiple passages saying
when he comes, when he comes, when the comforter has come,
and so forth. Because Jesus was teaching that
his ministry that began at the day of Pentecost was him coming
in a different way. Something was changing in the
way that he was coming. And so he also could be taken away in
those terms. And that would make sense because he's talking to
the church at Thessalonica that the person's already in the world
at that point. and that they'll be in the world
all the way to the point that the Antichrist is a Until that
person is taken away and the Antichrist is able to be revealed
So really good, typically assumed answer for someone who's studied
this passage and trying to rightly divide it is, okay, it's the
Holy Spirit. Because who else could be holding back the mystery
of iniquity and who else could have been in the world from the
time of the Church of Thessalonica until the time of the Antichrist
being revealed, and who's powerful enough to do those things and
so forth. And the Holy Spirit's a good answer. A friend of mine
who is a great preacher preached that he believes it's a church,
and that's also a good answer. However, I think if you really
think about it, the two things are going hand in hand together,
the idea, but he's convinced that it's more so speaking to
the church itself. And the same rules and principles
would apply. He's talking about the church,
the Bride of Christ, more so than the local individual New
Testament church, the church, the body of Christ, the broader
sense, which is not the common use of the word church, but just,
you know, you do see it. And so both of those arguments
could be made very well, but both of them require the same
end result. And that end result is the Holy
Spirit's ministry as it is now could not end until the rapture
took place. Because there's a promise to
the church that it will not end so long as we're working here.
And then also the same thing, the church will always be here
until there is this calling away, until there is this rapture where
we're gathered together and receive our glorified bodies. So most
of my people who know our studies, you'll already be familiar with
what I'm saying, but I'm using this as a jumping off point,
so don't worry. Now, what you have then is that the rapture
is very much a reality. But the church is being told,
look, you don't have to worry. If the rapture had already occurred,
the Antichrist would already be here. You have all these things.
The point is, there's an evidence being given that for the church,
we're not really looking for the Antichrist to come. and to
be the next sign or the wonder, we're looking for the fact that
if the rapture happened, then that happens. But this is a passage
that's normally used in the negative. But let's start just by taking
this principle from here, that the rapture is very much a reality.
So the rapture being a reality is one of the most important
things we can start with in this study. Then we have to try to
answer the question, The multiple questions really about okay,
then where is the church then who is in the tribulation period
what's going on? What's it all about? And this
is where things to be honest with you really start to pan
it out and make the most sense is when you start going down
this road But let's while we're in Thessalonians. Let's look
at some of the others two really great passages in first Thessalonians
We need to look at so the first of these is in chapter 4 will
read verse 13 through verse 18 and But I would not have you to be
ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye
sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe
that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep
in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you
by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain
unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with
the voice of the archangel and with the trump of God, and the
dead in Christ shall rise first. Then they which are alive and
remain shall be called up together with them in the clouds to meet
the Lord in the air. And so shall we ever be with
the Lord. Wherefore, comfort one another with these words.
So we as Christians are to be comforting one another with the
understanding that the rapture, which is the resurrection of
the believers, I'm not going to get into it tonight. I do
believe it's some people limit it just to the church. I believe
it's Old New Testament. I have good reason for that.
A lot of good Bible reason for that. but the rapture being saints
of up until that point. So what you have then is that
the rapture is supposed to be a doctrine of comfort for us,
that we're supposed to be looking for this knowing that it is a
reality. So I said I wouldn't waste a lot of time trying to
prove that the rapture is a Bible doctrine. I'm just hitting a
couple notes to show it quickly. We've already seen two passages
where it's clearly taught that there is a gathering together
of the believers in the air to be resurrected into a glorified
body to be with Christ. So that doctrine is very much
a Bible doctrine, but we're trying to define how this affects the
church, especially in regards to a timeline. So let's go over
one chapter to 1 Thessalonians 5. Verse one, but of the times
and the seasons brethren, you have no need that I write unto
you for yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord, uh,
so cometh as a thief in the night for when they shall say peace
and safety, then sudden instruction come with upon them as travail
upon a woman with child and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren,
are not in darkness, that the day should overtake you as a
thief. You're all the children of the light and the children
of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. Therefore,
let us not sleep as do others, but let us watch and be sober.
For they that sleep, sleep in the night, and they that be drunken
are drunken in the night. But let us who are of the day
be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love and for a helmet,
the hope of salvation. For God has not appointed us
unto wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, who
died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live
together with him. Wherefore, comfort yourselves
together and edify one another, even as also ye do. Now, there's
two major thoughts in here I want you to notice. One is he says
that the day of the Lord is coming on this world as a thief in the
night. But for us, it's not something coming as a thief to catch us
off guard. It's something that we know.
OK, something's going to happen before this. Something has because
remember, the day of the Lord is referring to his second coming.
Can often be used I'll show you this it can often be used to
talk about a lot of the events during the tribulation Especially
the last half of the tribulation So he's saying that doesn't surprise
us It shouldn't surprise us because there is something that has to
come before that something that we're looking for Now, the other
thing to note is that he does say that God has appointed us
to wrath, not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation
by our Lord Jesus Christ. And so we do know that tribulation,
especially again, the last three and a half years, that great
tribulation, the word wrath is thrown around quite a bit. There's
terms like Jacob's trouble. The day of his wrath and so forth
to show That there the the wrath of God is this being referred
to in this passage based off the context alone Tells us he's
talking about that tribulation and especially and I'll allow
this because we'll get to some of the other stuff later Especially
for the last three and a half years. So, you know at this point
You could not put a rapture at the end. You have to have it
in the middle or the beginning, at least based off of what you
read there. Based off of 2 Thessalonians, it would have to be at the beginning
because you would have to have it before the man of sin could
be revealed. So before that seal could be
broken to release him, you would have to first have it. So you
have a little bit of a timeline being established then, but you
have this very important understanding that The wrath that's going to
be poured out during that tribulation is not intended for the church.
And this is where the biggest, most important doctrine that
gets so blatantly ignored by those who preach a middle tribulation,
whichever term you want to use, preacher, post wrath, Mid-trip,
they're pretty much the same doctrine. You just slightly change
it and package it because it sells better You can sell more
books that way. That's I mean, let's be honest.
That's where most of the the changes of those titles came
in I'm not trying to hurt your feelings. That's where you come
from But if you study the history of that doctrine, that's mostly
where it's come about From men who want it to market their own
touch their own thing on this to put their stamp on the doctrine
Now, either of those, you have the issue that they ignore this,
and especially a post-tribulation rapture ignores this, that God
makes it very clear that the purpose of the tribulation, especially
when you get an Old Testament doctrine, has nothing to do with
New Testament believers. The church and the New Testament
believers, you know, they there's nothing there about them. It's
always about Israel. And that's what I want to show
you as we kind of move along in this a little bit before I
get there. Let me go to second Peter, second Peter, chapter number
three, verse seven through verse 13. He says, but the heavens
and the earth, which are now by the same word are kept in
store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition
of ungodly men. But beloved, be not ignorant
of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand
years and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack
concerning his promise, as some men count slackness, but is long
suffering to usward, not willing that any should perish, but that
all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will
come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens shall pass
away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with
a fervent heat. The earth also, and the works that are therein,
shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things
shall be dissolved, what manner of person ought ye to be in all
holy conversation and godliness, looking for and hasting the coming
of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be
dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, Nevertheless,
we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new
earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness." So think about this passage.
What is the church told to be looking for? we're told to be
looking for Christ's gathering. We're very specifically told
we're not looking for the tribulation. And if you want a deeper study
in this, because again, I'm trying to cover what normally is taken
multiple studies in one lesson. So if you want a deeper study
on what this passage is actually about, look for our message on
the new heavens and the new earth, because there you'll find that
the burning and the great fervent heat and the destruction he's
talking about is very much the tribulation period. And the new
heaven, the new earth he's talking about is the kingdom of Christ,
the millennial reign and the earth being restored to a Garden
of Eden like state, instead of being left with the world oceans
being turned to dead men's blood and the earth being burned and
destroyed the way it was in the tribulation period. I know that's
another doctrine that's commonly mistaught, but again, you can
see it very plainly. If you go listen to that message,
I guarantee you that you won't walk away with the exact same
opinion you had before. You may not agree with me, but
you won't walk away exactly with the same opinion you had before
if you disagree with what I'm saying now. and so we know that
we're being told then that we're not supposed to be looking for
the day of the Lord and this fervent heat that's being poured
out and the wrath that's being poured out on this world and
the judgment that's not for us he said he says that but the
day of the Lord comes a thief in the night in which the heavens
shall pass away with a great noise and the elements shall melt with
the fervent heat and there is also in the works therein shall
be burned up seeing that all these things shall be dissolved
what manner of person ought you to be and all in all holy conversation
and godliness looking for and hastening the coming of the day
of God wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved and
the elements shall melt with fervent heat nevertheless we
according to the promise look for new heavens and new earth
and We're in dwelleth righteousness. So our eyes are not supposed
to be focused on The destruction that's coming to this world.
The intention is that our eyes would be focused on First the
promise of his coming because that's the context I probably
should have started earlier so you would have that context when
you think about 2nd Peter 3 4 and Saying where is the promise of
his coming for since the father's fell asleep all things continue
as they were from the beginning of creation so we're being told
that our eyes are supposed to be on the coming of Christ and
knowing that this world is going to be passed away during the
tribulation period and looking forward to the world that's going
to be established during Christ's kingdom, the new heavens and
new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. So we're told to focus on what's
coming next, his coming, and then what's coming after, not
the tribulation period itself. None of that seven years then
is being told for us to look forward to. Then Joel chapter
number one, this is where we're going to start to see that the
tribulation period is always focused on Israel. Like there's
no focus on church of anything that you would associate as the
church. There's no focus on that whatsoever in the Old Testament
at all. And you could argue it's about
it being a mystery, but I would argue that it's more so to do
with the fact that the church is never mentioned as being in
the tribulation. And for those who would use the argument of
saints, I'll talk about that in a little while. Joel chapter number one,
verse 13 to verse 15. Gird yourselves and lament, ye
priests, how ye ministers of the altar! Come, lie all night
in sackcloth, ye ministers of my God, for the meat offering
and the drink offering is withholden from the house of your God. Sanctify
ye fast, call a solemn assembly, gather the elders and all the
inhabitants of the land into the house of the Lord your God,
and cry unto the Lord. Alas for the day, for the day
of the Lord is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty
shall it come. It is not meat to cut off. I
cut off before our eyes. Yay joy and gladness Is not the
meat cut off from our eyes. Yay joy and gladness from the
house of our God The seed is rotten under we can stop there.
The point is you see he's told Joel is very much talking to
Israel He makes it clear. He's talking to Israel. There's several
phrases that he uses to Throughout it and what is the call here? You'll even notice a lot of your
Bibles a lot of times will have a header a call to repentance
and That's what this is. He says, gird yourselves and
lament, ye priests, how ye ministers of the altar come lie and wait,
lie and lie all night in sackcloth, ye ministers of my God, for the
meat offering and the drink offering is withholding from the house
of your God. Sanctify ye a fast, call you a solemn assembly. All
of these things are things for Israel. Like, I don't know where
you'll find me, where the church, find where the church is told
to call a solemn assembly. The inhabitants of the land into
the house of the Lord your God, that's all stuff that should
be pointing your mind toward Israel You would only think about
something other than Israel when reading those verses if somebody
perverted the scripture and told you to And so they're told to
be the ones who are looking for the day of the Lord coming on
them and the repentance that should come in their heart during
that time Not not New Testament believers, not the church Joel
chapter number 2 verse 1 through verse 3 Now it says blow you
the trumpet in Zion and sound an alarm in my holy mountain
Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble for the day of the
Lord cometh for it is nigh at hand a day of darkness and of
gloominess a day of clouds and of thick darkness as the morning
spread upon the mountains a great people and strong there hath
not been ever a The like neither shall be any more after it, even
to the years of many generations. A fire devours before them and
behind them, a flame burneth in the land. The land is as the
Garden of Eden before them and behind them, desolate wilderness,
yea, nothing shall escape them. Now what is he describing? He's
describing judgments from the middle of the tribulation period,
and it's the last three and a half years. I'm going to acknowledge
that. It's the last three and a half years that he's describing judgments
as being a part of it. So Israel is who he's talking
to. Blow you the trumpet in Zion,
which I understand that's where Christ will put his kingdom,
but that hasn't happened yet in this verse. This is talking
to Israel to blow the trumpet in Zion and the alarm in his
holy mountain there Zion So this is talking to Israel and let
the inhabitants of the land Which again should point you to Israel
because we're not the inhabitants of the land. God doesn't talk
about us that way That's the way he talks about them. This
book is being written to them You look at it read the whole
thing and I don't know how you could take it to be about anybody
else Unless again, you're trying to change the scripture So when
you come to this, it says that there's coming a day of darkness
of clouds or thick darkness that's being described in Revelation
when the pit opens and these soldiers come out and then you
have this army coming out that burns everything in their path.
So this is showing you part of the reason I put this in here
is to show you not only is Israel the one who's receiving instruction
about the tribulation period and what to do and to turn back
to God and so forth, but also to show that the day of the Lord
is we normally use it to talk about his second coming, but
God used the term to describe the tribulation period for the
most part as a whole, but especially even the last three and a half
years. So let's go then to Matthew 24 and see who the tribulation
is about. Matthew 24. Matthew 24, verse number 15.
When you therefore shall see the abomination of desolation
spoken of by Daniel, the prophet, stand in the holy place, whoso
readeth let him understand. Then let them which be in Judea
flee into the mountains. Let them which be on the housetop
come not down to take anything out of his house. Neither let
him which is in the field return to take his clothes and woe unto
them that are with child and to them that give suck in those
days. But pray that your flight be not in the winter, neither
on the Sabbath day. For then shall be great tribulations
such as was not from the since the beginning of the world to
this time, no, nor ever shall be. Except those days be shortened. There should be no flesh be saved
alive, but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened
all right now think about Think about what he's saying in this
passage Now, I am pausing a little bit because I meant to mention
in my last verses in Joel that you'll find almost the exact
same things in Zephaniah and in Isaiah. Joel, I think, says
it more like it's more expressed there. But Zephaniah for sure
talks about it and Isaiah talks about it a lot, especially in
regard to that, the second coming of Christ. You cannot have a
good doctrinal second coming of Christ unless you build it
a lot, very strongly out of Isaiah. Isaiah is the book that talks
about that probably more. Than any other at least some of the
most important stuff especially in regards to the millennial
reign of Christ But here you have this statement concerning
the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel Stand in
holy place and he tells us, you know He tells this is a person
and it's time at the Antichrist standing and declaring himself
to be God something We've already seen spoken of in second Thessalonians
and so forth that you this idea of him presenting himself in
such a way So he tells us that when that
happens, which we will put in the middle, we believe that's
the middle of the tribulation. that when that happens, let them
which be in Judea flee into the mountains." So again, that has
nothing to do with us. We are not the men of Judea.
God does not call us that. And then he says, and this is
the one that's really important, like even if you really believed
in replacement theology and you tried to make Judea somehow about
the church, you could never make verse 20 in the Sabbath about
the church. The only way you can make the Sabbath about the
church is if you reinstate the Sabbath and put new doctrine
in your Bible to try to make the church have to keep the Sabbath
day. At which point, if you're that far off the rails, I probably
can't help you in the one lesson. It's going to take a lot more
than what I have time to do tonight to help you. So the fact that
he's telling them about the Sabbath day and he's talking to them
about Judea means that this cannot have anything to do with the
church. He's talking to them. He's talking to Jews in the first
place, but he's talking to Israel as a nation. He's talking to
them as a people about the fact that, look, this is going to
happen. And when it does, you're going to have to run for your
lives because he is going to come and he's going to kill those
of you that won't bow down and worship him. And you better pray
that it's not on the Sabbath day when he starts his attack
And you men in Judea better flee because this is about Israel.
It's not about the church now I'll show you some stuff about
the rapture in Matthew 24 in a little while. I'll get to there
later Daniel chapter number nine. Daniel, this is where you see
the abomination of desolation mentioned before. And again,
this, this, what I'm getting ready to read is one of those
things like we've done a short form study on this, uh, where
we talk about why God allows the tribulation period. That's
another one of these unique insights and Bible prophecy videos. I
would encourage you to go back and watch it. I will probably
do another study on this in the near future or I may just take
a study my friend has done on this and do more of something
like a reaction to it because he did such a fantastic job on
this. One of the best messages I've ever heard on it. That's
brother James Knox for anybody wants to look it up It's a I
think this title something like the way the read the way to read
the prophecy So I either just gonna do a message what I'm repeating
most of what he said Or I may even just take his directly and
do like a reaction to it because it was so good but if you want
to know why What I'm getting ready to say is the way it is
I would encourage you to either go back and watch like the short
version where we talked about it or a much better version like
where he talks about that and So Daniel chapter 9 verse number
24 says, 70 weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy
holy city to finish the transgression and to make the end of sins and
to make reconciliation for iniquity and to bring in everlasting righteousness
and to still up the vision and prophecy and to anoint the most
holy. know therefore and understand
that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and
to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah, the Prince, shall be seven weeks,
and three score and seventy and two weeks. And the street shall
be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And
after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but
not for himself. And the people of the prince
that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary, and
the end thereof shall be with a flood, and to the end of the
war desolations are determined. and you shall confirm a covenant
with many, and he shall confirm a covenant with many for one
week, and in the midst of the week, he shall cause the sacrifice
and the oblation to cease, no overspreading of abominations,
he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation that is
determined shall be poured upon the desolate. So you see that
this is what Jesus was referring to. You know that he's talking
about this happening in the tribulation. So somebody who tries to say
that Daniel's 70 weeks is not, the 70th week is not about the
tribulation period, Every argument they have is going to be wrong
based off of the fact that Jesus himself specifically said that
it is that it's in the middle of that. You also have the fact
that they'll make the arguments that a week is not seven years
and so on and forth. But I'll point out to you, if
you're still struggling with the fact that a week just means a set
of seven, it doesn't have to mean seven literal days. It can
mean seven years. It can mean seven months, whatever.
It's a set of seven. Consider that when Jacob worked
for Rachel, it says that when he was tricked and he married
Leah and he goes back and he talks to Laban, Laban said, fulfill
ye her week and then you can marry her. So how long did he
work for Rachel? Did he work for seven days or
for seven years? Because the Bible says it was seven years,
but Laban called it a week. He said, fulfill her week. So
a week very much can be seven years, depending on how you use
the word. Have you let the Bible define your terminology and not
somebody else? So with all that said, we know
this is about the tribulation period. Who does this passage
say that it's about and what is it about? Let's go back and
reread verse 24. 70 weeks are determined upon
thy people and upon thy holy city. So who is that? Well, he's
talking in Old Testament. So you can assume thy people
is talking about Israel. It's normally would be talking
about them. Not much reason to assume anything else. upon the
Holy City, he certainly makes it clear he's talking about Israel
because he's talking about Jerusalem now, to finish the transgression
and to make an end of sins and to make reconciliation for iniquity.
All right, here's how you can know it's not talking about us
because my sins, my transgressions, my reconciliation, all that was
paid for and purchased on Calvary's cross. There doesn't need to
be seven years of tribulation for my transgressions to be finished. There doesn't need to be seven
years of tribulation to make an end of sins for me. There
doesn't need to be seven years of tribulation to reconcile my
iniquity because I was reconciled unto God on January the second
of 2000. That was all taken care of for
me. I'm not waiting for a tribulation period for me to turn back to
the Lord and give my heart to Him and to bring an everlasting
righteousness and to seal up the vision prophecy and anoint
the most holy. So you have all those things being mentioned.
All of it's being mentioned in reference to Israel. There's
nothing pointing in any other direction that passage. And there's
a good reason why it couldn't be about the church is because
those things were done for us. Like when Jesus died on the cross,
that was it. Like it's paid for, it's taken care of, but the reconciliation. That came about when you trusted
Christ as your Savior. You were reconciled unto Him.
Israel's sins were paid for on the cross, sure, but they still
have to go through a time of tribulation to pay for what they've
done because you have so much Old Testament prophecy about
the fact that God is going to chase them, He's going to punish them.
and that seven years of tribulation is set up as a time for them
to be punished. Again, Zephaniah, Joel, Isaiah, Malachi, so many
books of your Old Testament are talking about this. The fact
that God has set aside and reserved a period of time, here we're
defining it as seven years. He's reserved aside a period
of time wherein Israel is going to be punished and chastened
for their sins until God is satisfied, the punishment is done, reconciliation
can be made. Then following that you have
the Messiah being anointed as you know, the most holy being
anointed so everything and that says it's about Israel So my
point is like if we're reading the Bible so far like if you
started in your Old Testament you're reading for And you've
got up to the point of even Thessalonians. You have no reason to believe
that the tribulation period has anything to do with the New Testament.
It has nothing to do with the church. It's entirely about Israel
and it was set up in the Old Testament. It wasn't something
that just came about in the New Testament. It was established
in the Old Testament. Most of your minor prophets are
speaking to it in some degree. Many of your major prophets are
speaking to it in some degree. The fact that God has set aside
a period of time where he's going to deal with Israel because of
their iniquity. Yes, their sins were paid for on the cross, but
they have not yet been reconciled to God. And they have not yet
been punished for the fact that he promised them they would be
punished. Even out aside salvation aside, he has promised them as
a nation, they're going to be punished. And that's why it's
the time of Jacob's trouble, not the time of, you know, the
church's trouble, the time of, uh, the bride's trouble or so
forth. It's the time of Jacob's trouble because the tribulation
period is about Israel. There's nothing about the church
going on during that period now With that then let's go answer
the question Because one of the biggest questions you're gonna
have at that point is okay Then who is going through the tribulation
like what's going on during the tribulation? where are the believers
where Israel and so forth and this one is one where I'm gonna
have to rely on people either listening to messages that have
already been recorded or Or I'm going to have to rely on people
having a knowledge of them having already listened to them. Because
I've given to me what I think is a fairly definitive answer.
I think it's, I've listened to people argue with it, but they've
never given a good argument. as to why the 4 and 20 elders
represent the church, or Old and New Testament saints. I'm
sorry, not just the church, but all the saints up until the point
of the Tribulation period, those who've been raptured out. I've
given plenty of good reason. Maybe I'll highlight some of
that towards the end of this. The one argument I've been given
by anybody at any point, I hear it over and over again, is tribulation
saints not being in the Bible when very clearly they're saints
being saved out of tribulation. That's where the idea of tribulation
saints come from. It's not because we're trying
to make up a word. You can call them something else if you want
to. You can call them the saints that were saved out of tribulation.
You can call them the martyrs, as they're referred to many times
in the book of Revelation. But there's a question about
saints. That's the question that gets asked many times. What about
saints? Who is the saints in Revelation? Now, there's another
video I'm going to have to ask you to put some time in. You
do your homework and go watch. And that's where I answer the
question about who is the innumerable multitude in Revelation chapter
number seven. Because most of your mid-tribulational
doctrines will be destroyed if you pay attention to those two
lessons. The four and twenty elders and
the multitude there of Revelation chapter seven. I'll get to that
in a minute. I'll explain why that's such
a serious stabbing blow for that. But we have to answer the question.
What does it mean when the Bible says saints in the book of Revelation?
Who is it talking about? Because even recently somebody
who's been watching some of the videos somebody and I say this
appreciatively not as like a negative thing or attack Mentioned in
one of their comments that the the Saints in the New Testament
only refers to the church It's like where do you get that from
because the word Saint in the entire Bible is just talking
about saved people Some of people who've actually put their faith
in God It's kind of like when you're trying to distinguish
the difference between national Israel and spiritual Israel those
who are Jews indeed and those who are Jews because I'm a child
of Abraham and so forth. It's a word that allows you to
cut past that like Nowadays we have to we struggle like yes,
my dear you born again. They say oh, yeah, I'm born again
Are you saved? Yeah, I'm saved and the truth is like they're
using the word wrong So even if you ask them, are you a saint
you wouldn't get anywhere cuz it's a yeah. Yeah, I'm a saint
and But the point is, it's a word that cuts past all the red tape
and distinguishes this person is saved. There's no question.
When God calls somebody a saint, he means that it is a person
who has genuinely put their faith in God. And I'll show you that
Revelation defines the word that way in Revelation chapter 20
and verse 9. Revelation chapter 20 and verse
number 9 says, And they went up on the breadth of the earth
and passed the camp of the saints about and beloved city and fire
came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. So again,
Beloved City is Jerusalem. There's no reason, you cannot
give any good Bible reason to read that as anything else. People
try to make it the church and all kinds of crazy stuff, but
it's definitely talking about Jerusalem because God didn't
change the word just to make somebody else's doctrine fit
in the Bible. But you have the Saints being set upon by the
king of the Antichrist or This is I'm sorry the king of the
Antichrist. This is after this is the this is by the devil and
by the people he gathers together I didn't get raised the wrong
terminology here this by the devil and the people he's gathered.
Yeah, they're saints are being set upon that They're gathering around
them And they're going to attack their Jerusalem Now you follow
doctrine the church should mostly be in the you know The New Testament
believers and stuff should be in New Jerusalem at this point
What should be hovering over top of Jerusalem not in Jerusalem?
It should be hovering over the world In fact, I believe it not
a necessarily over a fixed spot so much as the world's revolving
and you have it working like a Sun for the world that's a
whole nother thing to get into though and But you have this
idea that people in Jerusalem are being called saints, and
you have the people being gathered, but look at how the word saint
seems to be defined. Let's read the verse again, because
I probably got you a little bit sidetracked there. And compass
the camp of the Saints in the beloved city and fire came down
from heaven and devoured them I'm realized now. I think I wrote
down revelation 14. That's that's why I keep getting mixed here
Revelation 20 is talking about the Saints being in camp revelation
14 is the one I'm looking for for a definition. My apologies.
I Revelation 14 and verse number 12 It says and here's the patience
of the Saints Here are they that keep the commandments of God
and the faith of Jesus? So you want to see what a saint
is a saint is someone who has their faith in God You can say
it like that because Jesus is God So if you have a problem
you saying that way you have a problem with your doctrine I guess because
Jesus is God so a saint is someone whose faith is genuinely in God
someone who has trusted in God and So Abraham believed God and
was counted in him for righteous. Therefore, Abraham would be called
a saint in the Old Testament many times. You have David believing
God and being counted in him for righteous. You know, it's
imputed not for works, but righteous for faith's sake. And so you
have David as a saint many times in the Old Testament. You have
in the New Testament those who have put their faith in Christ
being called saints. And the word saint is not a New Testament
word. It's a word throughout the Bible.
In the Old Testament, it's used 39 times. In the New Testament,
62 times. So it is used more in the New
Testament, but I think that's more to deal with the fact that
the church is made up of not just Jew and Gentile. It's a mixture. It's not just
one. And I think it's more to get around that and identify,
look, we're talking about believers. The rest is irrelevant. We're
talking about believers. You even should understand that the
word saint is actually a word that connects the Old and the
New Testament together by showing that those who have put their
faith in God, Old or New Testament, are saints. So it's very important
to take that. So here's my point. If someone
wanted to argue that the word Saint changed in the New Testament,
I would ask the question, when is the first time the word Saint
is used in the New Testament? Because the first time the word
Saint is used in the New Testament is Matthew 24. It's in verse
15. I'm sorry, not Matthew 24, Matthew 27. I'm getting ready
to read the passage wrong again like I did a moment ago. But
Matthew 27 in verse number 52. Matthew 27 verse 52 is Jesus'
resurrection. It says when the grave were opened,
many of the saints which did sleep there at Jerusalem came
out of their graves. It says the bodies of the saints
came forth. The first time the word saints
is used in the New Testament is not talking about the church.
Even if you wanted to argue, which I think you would have
a hard time arguing if you say the church started with Jesus
and his disciples, because so much of what we define as a church
doesn't actually start until the day of Pentecost. And I used
to argue that it was Jesus and his disciples. But the more I've
appreciated the doctrine of the church and understood the significance
and the importance of a local New Testament church and the
Holy Spirit and so forth, I've come to the realization that,
okay, God laid the foundation for sure. He built the bridge
for sure, however you want to say it, because I know people
define it in a lot of different ways. But the church's actual beginning
would have to take the day of Pentecost. Saying that even if
you want it to ignore that and say that because it's in Matthew
Those people must have been the church because they must have
been part of that You still are gonna have a hard time trying
to separate that and say well then in the New Testament the
word Saint simply means the church you would have to get around
a lot of doctrines and twists to say that it's exclusively
a word that means the church in the New Testament and because
that's not the case at all. Somebody probably said that.
Somebody probably sounded really smart when they said that. But
the fact is, the word saint is used old in New Testament over
and over again to mention and talk about those who are saved.
And in the New Testament, it means the same thing. It's saying
many people who were saved, that they came forward when Jesus
was raised from the dead. The power of resurrection was
so great that they came forward at the same time their bodies
came out in resurrection as well. So saying that, the argument
that the word saints would be talking about the church would
require you to have to ignore a lot of other stuff. The Bible
as a whole for context, the fact that in the New Testament the
word saint doesn't change, it's still talking about believers.
And you have people who are not part of the church being referred
to as saints in the New Testament because it doesn't change. It
still just means a word for believers. And so it's just talking about
believers during the tribulation period when he talks about saints
in the book of Revelation. But there's some other things
I would consider, and this is an argument people don't like, but it's one
you do have to consider, is that Revelation, if you look at the
words and the breakdown of the words, in Revelations 1 through
4, the word saint is never used. The word church is used 20 times. The word church or churches. 20 times you have the New Testament
believers, the church, being talked about. Unto the church
here and so forth. So 20 times God talks about believers
up until the point of Revelation chapter four as being the church.
From that point on, from Revelation 4 all the way up going through,
the word church we know is never used again. The word saint is
then used, I think, about 13 times. And every time it's simply
talking about believers that are going through the tribulation
period, and many times has language that would connect it to Israel,
especially like we saw there with the saints being surrounded
at the end of the tribulation. and you have the fact that they're
at Jerusalem and so forth. So there's a lot of language
that would associate it being more to do with Israel. In fact,
I'll be honest, you would have an easier time arguing that the
saints in the book of Revelation are Israel, the Jews that are
getting saved, which are talked about in Zephaniah and Joel and
other passages we've read tonight. You would have an easier time
arguing that the saints are them than you would be that it's the
church. So if you want it to do as I've known some people
then you want to ignore people outside of Israel getting saved
in the Tribulation you'd have an easier time making that argument
than you would be to say that it's the church because there's
nothing in the language that would support that the language
seems to indicate that the church is not there for the rest of
the book of Revelation and I'm gonna agree with you if you have
a preacher who gets up and preaches Revelation chapter number four
And he says that the rapture is when John's told to come up
here there. I'm gonna agree that that's not the rapture The rapture
if that was the rapture John would have had to receive his
glorified resurrected body and he could have never died Later
on in his life on the Isle of Patmos and so forth. I'm gonna
completely that's not the rapture and The words are similar. Sure. There's a lot of connection.
There's some picture to it You can make some decent arguments,
but understand that's not at all what that's intended in that
verse the fact is One of the arguments I have made and will
continue to make is that the rapture has already taken place
by time you jump up to heaven in Revelation chapter number
four, because now you're looking to what shall be. You're going
into the future. You have the things that are
here and so forth. Now you're going into the what
shall be the future prophecy. And here's the argument. There
are a few crowns that are mentioned for believers that are repeatedly
talked about as being received at the coming of Christ when
he comes to gather the church. There's a judgment that's going
to come when Christ comes to gather his church. You study
it, you'll find that that's what it says. Over and over, the judgment
for believers is when he comes to gather the church. It's not
after the thousand years, like the great white throne judgment.
It's when he comes and gathers his church. It's at the resurrection
when he comes to gather them. So if you look at the 420 elders,
you'll notice that almost everything that is promised to the church
in the first half of the first four chapters of Revelation,
especially three and four, sorry, two and three. So the first three
chapters of Revelation, everything is promised to the church in
those chapters. The 420 elders have that. And
we're told that their number is not literally 24 because their
number is 10,000 times 10,000 and thousands of thousands, which
is a term that the Bible uses to describe like something that's
innumerable is something that we can't really, we couldn't
calculate, like we couldn't understand it. Even the same term is used
in Jude when he's talking about the saints coming back with Christ,
and he says he'll return with tens of thousands of his saints.
So, you know, if you're going to try to take it literal in
one verse, you have to take it literal in the other. And it's
not all the saints that would come back with. And if you try
to say that 10,000 has to be 10,000 in every place or 10,000
times 10,000 and so forth, the word 10,000 is mostly used symbolically
in the Bible number to represent a number that's beyond our calculation,
beyond our comprehension. So like when he told Israel,
you know, one of you will chase away a thousand, two of you will
chase away 10,000. It's a pretty straightforward
thing once you look for it. So you have this group, which
number is innumerable, who sing a song that we've been redeemed
of every tribe, nation, tongue and race. And it's not they or
somebody else. It's we have been. So, you know,
they can't be 24, you know, so forth. You know, it has to be
so it can't just be Old Testament saints because they've been redeemed
of every tribe, nation, tongue and race. So all those doctors
that try to make it something else like just for 24 literal
guys and so forth doesn't match the description that's given
to the people nor the song that they are singing. But the biggest
thing is, as I said, you notice all those gifts that were promised
to the church, many of them are seen with the 420 elders, and
just the basic law of Bible understanding would require that you connect
those two contexts and see that they probably are the same people.
Then you notice they take their crowns and they lay them down
at the feet of Jesus They take them and they lay them in the
very I mean early on like we're just getting started in the future
Prophecy and they've already got these crowns that they were
supposed to have gotten When Christ came to collect them,
they've already got these crowns and they're already laying them
down at the feet of Jesus and So the biggest argument for me
that would show that it has to have already happened is that
they have stuff they can't have unless it's already happened.
There's stuff going on that can't be happening unless the judgment
that's coming at the rapture has already taken place. So you
have all of that. Now I've said I would give some
stuff that spoke against like a mid tribulation because I've
already showed like a post tribulation. You can't fit it at all. Uh,
because of the fact, you know, something at the end of the seven
years, because of the fact that we're told over and over again,
the church is not going to be in the last. You could, you could
argue for the middle because a lot of that stuff's in the
last three and a half years. There's no way you can read the
passages we've read tonight. So yeah, the church is going
to go through all of that. God literally told us we're not going
to and it's all about Israel. But yeah, the church is going
to go through all of that because all that's most that's middle, you know,
after the midway point. Some of that's before the midway
point, which should negate any belief in a tribulation, a rapture
taking place towards the middle of the tribulation. But my argument
would be anybody who has switched to that doctrine or promoting
that doctrine will often cite saying, well, where is the pre-tribulation
rapture? Show me where the rapture is
in the Bible, where it actually happens, like on the timeline
of Revelation. Revelations focus more on the tribulation period
so it doesn't really work because that's like asking me to show
you the church in Zephaniah and where they're at During prophecy
because it's not about that. It's about it's really what's
gonna happen to them So you're asking for something that that's
not the point of what's going on in Revelation The point of
Revelation is to pick up at the breaking of the seals in the
beginning of the tribulation period coming in, which we've
been told in 2 Thessalonians should take place immediately
after the rapture. And there's stuff that seems
to be going on in that story that would have taken place after
the rapture. So you have all of that, but
I would have to take the same scrutiny and apply it backwards.
You have to go back and answer the question, if you believe
the rapture is in the middle, where is it at? Show it to me
in the book of Revelation. Because I have good reason why
mine wouldn't be present in the book of Revelation, because it
takes place before the events of Revelation kick off, because
it's not part of that story. It's like getting mad because
John the Baptist is not in the book of Revelation. He's not
part of that story. He's not supposed to be in it.
but if you believe it's in the middle, then yeah, it's supposed
to be part of the story, so show it to me. And anybody who I say
that to, they're gonna say, oh, it's in Revelation chapter seven,
of course, because you have the great multitude, which cannot
be numbered, appearing there. Problem with that is if that's
your rapture, then the only people who get to be raptured, the only
people who get a glorified body and so forth are people who died
in the tribulation, because the only people appearing in Revelation
chapter number seven are people who are coming from the tribulation. But I'll give you a bigger problem.
Revelation chapter 7 isn't the middle. It's the end right you
go back and watch our video on the timeline of prophecy I'd
probably really blow somebody's mind who's never watching our
videos when they get to that But Revelation chapter 7 is not
the middle of the tribulation period you have went one time
through when looking at the seals, and the sixth seal, if you pay
attention, is describing most of the events of the vows and
the trumpets, like the sun, moon, and stars being darkened, the
mountains being shaken out of their place, and so forth, so
that it has to be the end of the seven years, and what you're
doing is you're reading through the seals. You're going through
the whole seven years one time, but just at a very zoomed out
broad view. You get to the trumpets, you're
zooming in a little bit. You're looking at a little bit of the
buildup and a little bit after, but you're zoomed out and you're
looking from a distance. You're still looking at the earth and
like how it's affecting the world as a whole. Whereas when you
get to the vows, you zoom in even more and you're just focused
on the last three and a half years. You don't get any of the
context and you're looking at the people and very specifically
the kingdom of the Antichrist and how it's affecting them.
So that each set of seven is just you zooming in a little
bit more and understanding a specific aspect of the seven years of
tribulation a little better, mostly zooming in a little bit
more on that last three and a half years and seeing how it affects
the kingdom of the Antichrist. is what you're zooming down to
by the time you get to the seven vows. So if your argument is
that Revelation 7 is the middle and that's the rapture, you've
got bad news because that's not the middle. That's most definitely
the end if you actually pay attention to what's being said. Otherwise,
you've got God cutting the lights off and on because the sun, moon,
and stars are being darkened. over and over and over again
when all your Old Testament prophecy tells you that's a one time event
and it's the lights out that last call, like what you do it
like what they do at the bar, like what they do at the grocery
stores and stuff when they want to get everybody out. They dim the
lights to let you know, look, it's done. It's closing time.
You better get out of here. God's dimming the lights of the
earth to let everybody look. It's closing time. We're getting
ready to wrap up shop here and we're done. So all of that has
to take place before Revelation seven has the people appearing
there. So my point is that if you're going to try to take that
and say, oh, that's look, that's the rapture. It has to be because
you have a multitude which cannot be numbered 10,000 times 10,000.
You have a multitude saved out of every tribe, nation, tongue
and race, just like the 420 elders. You have a multitude of this
and this and this. It's the end of the seven years and we know
it can't be the church because the church was already told for
sure they're not going to be in the last three and a half
years of it. So you know that that cannot be the church because
it's not the middle and they're not making, they're definitely
not going to be there at the end. They shouldn't be there at the
middle either based off of what we've read tonight. So it has
to be that those are believers who got saved during the tribulation,
exactly like the passage says, if you're not letting somebody
twist the verses because the verses tell you these are those
that were saved out of the tribulation. So you understand to be saved
out of it, you have to be in it. You can't be saved separate
from it. You have to be in it. So even the same argument, when
you look at the resurrection into life there in Revelation
chapter number 20, the resurrection into life in Revelation 20 specifically
notes it's for those who were saved, for those who were martyred,
those who died during the tribulation period. So if you believe Revelation
20 is the rapture in the sense of like, this is the resurrection,
this is when everybody gets their glorified body, then you're still
building a doctrine where if we don't live to see the rapture,
we don't get one because it's only for people. The only people
mentioned is getting a glorified body in that passage. are people
who were in the tribulation and died. So all the Old Testament
saints are already out of luck. Most of us are going to probably
miss out because we're probably not going to make it to that
point. It's only for people who are in that seven years are mentioned
in that verse, which would imply that everybody who was saved
before the seven years already has theirs, which puts you at
a rapture before the tribulation period. See this is why it's
a complicated doctrine because you can't just read one verse
as a I've got it all figured out Because every verse I've
ever seen anybody read and say I'll see this is my smoking gun
This is where I've got all figured out this verse proves it and
they give how this proves their doctrine. It doesn't Because
I've listened to some of the smartest preachers I've ever
known who went that direction to a mid tribulation form of
the rapture use Revelation 7 it's like You don't understand revelation
7 if you think that's a mid-tribulation rapture because that would be
a post-tribulation I'd be as end of the seven years if that's
what it was. There's definitely not that either I've heard people
use the revelation 7 revelation 20 and the the resurrection into
life to argue for a post-tribulation rapture is like yeah, but then
you have to ignore all this other stuff we just talked about and And
you would have to ignore the fact that he's coming back with
tens of thousands of his saints. The saints are coming back with
him, will be with him when he comes back. It's mentioned many
times. You would have to ignore so much
doctrine to come to either of these. And here's the thing you
have to understand. When you put together the puzzle, every
piece has to fit. And just because you found a
couple pieces that fit together and look nice doesn't mean that's
the way it goes. It has to be a puzzle where every
piece fits. And having studied this from
all the different perspectives, considered what they had to say,
listened to it with a very unbiased approach, listened to men for
whom I have great respect who've preached these doctrines. And
I've listened to them, and I've heard them out, and I've called
them on the phone, I've talked to them, I've heard their side
of the argument. I've still come back to the conclusion that the
only version of this that fits every piece of the puzzle in
place and doesn't have to change my Bible to make it work that
doesn't have me changing it to say Those who are alive and those
who still remain those who are barely alive and you'll change
I've heard so many people change those words to try to make it
about the tribulation and stuff the only version that I don't
have to change my Bible to believe it is is the pre-tribulation
rapture. Every other version, I have to
start changing the wording just a little bit. I have to start
twisting some stuff within scripture. I have to start making stuff
that's very clearly about Israel, about me. I have to ignore the
fact that he says this is for people who died during the tribulation
and try to make it about everybody. There's so much stuff that I
would have to ignore to make it fit. There's so many pieces
I'd have to twist to make either of those doctrines fit. The one
that fits all the pieces in place, the one that goes with everything,
is the one that's most straightforward presented in the Bible. And that's
that the church is not looking for tribulation prophecy. The
church is looking for Christ to come and collect them. They
are like the ten virgins who are waiting for the bridegroom
to come and get his bride. Not for seven years of tribulation,
not for three and a half years of tribulation, and then the
bridegroom to come get his bride. The church is waiting for Christ.
And this is something I know it's going to upset somebody.
I know people don't like it when you say that if you believe in
a mid-trib or post-trib rapture, you're looking for the Antichrist,
not the Christ. But you are. You may not think of it that
way. You may not mean to be that way. But you are, because before
Christ can come in your doctrine, the Antichrist has to be revealed.
Before Christ can come in your doctrine, certain events have
to take place. Before Christ can come, especially
if you're post-trib, in your doctrine, you have to go through
some major amount of tribulation before he can come, and all of
that stuff sets you up to where you're not looking for Christ.
Your blessed hope is not the glorious appearing of Christ.
It's, oh, the Antichrist has just been revealed, and now,
We can wait for three and a half years. Oh, he's just been revealed.
Now we can wait for seven years. That's your hope. You're waiting
for something else to occur so that then you can have faith
that Jesus Christ is coming back. And if you think about Matthew
24 and what he does say about the rapture in Matthew 24. That's
the exact opposite of what the doctrine of the rapture is. The
doctrine of the rapture is the world's not going to be looking
at all. Just like it was in the days of Noah, they'll be doing
whatever they want to do. But the church should be looking
and not for something else to happen as a trigger, as a warning,
but for Christ to come and collect his church. So Matthew 24, verse
number 36. Now let me pause real quick and
say this. I understand that what I'm reading
in verse 36 in the order of the verses is following everything
after he said about the tribulation. But you'll notice the structure
of this chapter is he'll give an answer to something and then
he'll give a parable or he'll give a parable and then he'll
give an answer. Right now he's answering two questions. One's
about the signs of the end times and the others concerning his
coming when he'll come to collect his people. Now, the answer about
the sign of the end times is what came before this, and it
ended with the parable of the fig tree, which I'll get to in
a moment because it's relevant to my answer I'm giving right
now. What he's talking about now is about the rapture itself
and about his coming to collect his people, which is followed
by the parable of the ten virgins. So think about this, but of that
day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven,
but my father only. But as the days of Noah were,
so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be. For as in the
days that were before the flood, they were eating and drinking,
marrying and giving in marriage until the day that Noah entered
into the ark, and knew not until the flood came and took them
all away, so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be. Then shall
two be in the field, the one shall be taken, the other left.
Two women shall be grinding at the mill, the one shall be taken,
the other left. Watch therefore, for you know
not the hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the good
man of the house had known in what watch the thief would come,
he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to
be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready, for
in such an hour as ye think not, the Son of Man cometh. Who then
is a faithful and wise servant, whom his Lord hath made rule
over his house, to give them meat in due season? Blessed is
the servant whom the Lord, when he cometh, shall find so doing. Verily I say unto you, that he
shall make him ruler over all his goods. But and if that evil
servant shall say in his heart, My Lord delayeth his coming,
and shall begin to smite his fellow servants, and to eat and
drink with the drunken. The Lord of that servant shall
come in that day when he looketh not for him, and in the hour
that he is not aware of, and shall cut him asunder and appoint
him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing
of teeth." Now that last part has to do with people who don't
actually believe Christ, like they don't actually believe He's
coming. So I'm going to stay off of that for now because the actual
answer we're looking for is in the first part of all of that.
Very plainly, he says straight forward. Nobody knows the day
or the hour. If the antichrist was revealed tomorrow and it
was a mid tribulational rapture, you would know exactly the day
and the hour because God counts it down. The tribulation by days
That's one reason you can know it is seven years is because
he when speaking about events He gives it to you so many different
ways. He tells you this happens for this many months this happens
for this many days this happens for this many weeks so you don't
just have the time the two times a time and a half time thing
like you have in Daniel and You have a clear understanding because
God gives it to you in days years months and weeks to make sure
you know It's exactly seven years and it's broken down to exactly
three and a half year periods. So if you had The Antichrist
unveiled today, you would know exactly the day you may not be
able to know the hour but you know exactly the day that Christ
is coming and you could set we could all just set in weight
knowing that We don't have to worry until the Antichrist is
revealed. Nothing to worry about concerning the coming of Christ
until the Antichrist would be revealed. If you had either of
the other two doctrines, because you can know it's either three
and a half years or seven years or three and a half years plus
whatever somebody wants to add to it. If you believed any of
those other doctrines. So you do know that that can't
line up with what's being said in verse number 36. It has to
be that this is the precursor that sets everything else in
motion because the rest of the tribulation we're told that it
has warning signs. It is something that can be noticed.
It's just the rapture. We're being told that there's
nothing that we can look for to show us it's coming. We just
have to watch and really, you know, be waiting. And he even
gives the explanation. He says, look, if you knew what
hour somebody was coming to your house, if a thief was coming,
you would watch. You would be waiting. You'd be
sitting there. But if you don't know, then you just have to watch
all the time. And so he says that's how he
wants to find his servants waiting. A wise and faithful servant.
Waiting because in such an hour as you think not the Son of Man
coming There's not when you think it's not three and a half years
after the Antichrist It was not seven years after he's revealed.
It's not three and a half years plus a few months It's he's coming
and you don't know when and just like and he gives the comparisons
of people who don't like this I'll never understand but he
gives the comparison to Noah's Ark and how that the wrath of
God was not poured out on the world until Noah and his family
were safely inside of the ark and that Noah didn't know exactly
the day and the hour that the rain would begin. He waited on
God to tell him to go into the ark. And when God told him to
go, he went in the ark. God closed the ark to keep him safe from
the wrath to come. And then God poured out his wrath on the world
while Noah and his family were set safely aside somewhere in
God's hand that he was taking care of them. So you have a very
clear comparison to the fact that Noah didn't go through the
wrath. He was completely separated away
from it, hidden away while it was going on outside somewhere
in the world that he was not a part of. That's the intention
when you read this passage, that Noah never felt the first drop
of rain. He was able to go in and God
shut the door and then the rains came. Now, here's why I say any
doctrine that has you, any chance of setting a timeline would have
to be wrong because that's true of the second coming, but not
of the rapture. Let's go back and reread, read
a little bit further back by going back to verse 29. It says
immediately after the tribulation of those days, so the sun be
darkened and the moon shall not give her light and the stars
shall fall from heaven and the powers of the heavens shall be
shaken. So that's last three and a half years getting close
to the end of it. Usually I expect somewhere around
the middle of it and then shall appear the sign of the son of
the son of man in heaven and then shall all the tribes of
the earth mourn and they shall see the son of man coming in
the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. He shall send
his angels with a great sound of a trumpet They shall gather
together the elect from the four winds from one end of heaven
to the other So people who again try to make that the rapture
missed the point the people who are being gathered are not the
people on the earth This is people who are in heaven. He's gathering
the Saints to come back with him at the second coming So that's
another one where I've heard it misused and I even had it
misquoted to me multiple times for somebody said he gathered
from the earth and he doesn't say that he says it gathered
from the four winds of heaven from the four corners of heaven
and Because of the fact that these are people who are already
in heaven that he's gathering Then verse 32 says now learn
a parable of the fig tree when his branches yet tender and put
his fourth leaves You know not that summer is nigh, you know,
you know that summer is nigh So likewise ye when you shall
see all these things know that it is near even at the doors
Verily I send to you this generation shall not pass to all these things
be fulfilled heaven and earth shall pass away But my word shall
not pass away So what's the parable of the fig tree? that when the
when the leaves start to bud, you know, when it starts to bud
and the leaves are tender and the branches are starting to
grow, leaves are coming out and so forth, you know that summer
is coming. And he's saying that when you
see the signs start to come, you know, the Antichrist has
been revealed. He goes in, he commits the abomination of desolation.
You have the war and famine and all that stuff that's being poured
out as those seals are being broken in the first part of this
chapter. And then you have the Antichrist in the midway point
going to commit the abomination of desolation you have him attacking
Israel you have All these things going on so that the Sun moon
and stars are dark and and then Christ coming back with the sound
of a trumpet And the elect, you know being with him coming back
and so forth when you have all of that going on He says look,
you know That's that's like when you see the fig tree when it's
starting to grow, you know when you see the plant starting to
grow You know, it's already springtime and summer soon and And he says
the same way that when you see these coming, it's not going
to be a generation past. It's not going to be 40 years
before Christ comes back. It's going to be seven. That
generation is not going to pass seven years from the time that
the Antichrist is unveiled is going to happen. And then you
immediately go into the answer about the rapture where he tells
us, but of that day and hour, no, no man, no, with no man,
the hour, no, not the angels having my father only. So you
know that at this point he switches and starts talking about the
rapture because of what follows. We just read it. He's talking
about two working in the field, one taking one left behind, that
that's the gathering together of the saints. And so what you
have at this point is the rapture you're being told is something
that you cannot have a precursor sign. The only precursor sign
we're given in the Bible is that there shall be a great falling
away. And that's one of those things you can't measure it.
Like you can't say, oh, there's a falling away now. So it has to be seven
years. Oh, there's a falling away now. So it has to be this
amount of time. Oh, there's a falling away now. So it has to be that.
Falling away is an immeasurable thing because when did the falling
away occur? How much of a falling away does it have to be? There's
been falling aways in the past. You know, what was that about?
You know, you can't measure a falling away It's just a general idea
that look, you know know this that when the time gets closer
There's gonna be people who are turning away from God so Understand
that when it comes to the rapture, the understanding from that passage
is very clear that you can't know. You just have to be a servant
who's watching and waiting, knowing it can happen at any moment,
that if you could know it, then there would be something wrong
with the doctrine. Because he very explicitly says, the second coming,
you know, because it's marked, it's littered with signs. But
the rapture has none of those. It's coming like the rain, like
the time with Noah. It's going to happen in a moment
in the twinkling of an eye. It's going to happen as something
where men are not expecting. It's just gone. One's taking
one's left behind. That's how the rapture has to
occur. So normally I end this video with a bunch of evidences
as you'll as you see, like I really try to keep one fairly focused
train of thought because we barely scratched the surface of stuff.
Let me read off some of these additional evidences that you
could use. So the only resurrection in the
book of Revelation that's ever mentioned is revelate other than
the revelation, the resurrection, the condemnation, which is mentioned
as happening after the thousand year reign of Christ. Which is
those who are being cast in the lake of fire and so forth. That's
the resurrection of condemnation that Jesus prophesies about here
in Matthew. Other than that, the only other resurrection in
Revelation is the resurrection of the people who the saints
that were martyred during the tribulation, killed during the
tribulation in Revelation 20 verse 4 through 6. So the revelation
of the revelation, the resurrection, I think the resurrection of people
saved prior to the tribulation period would have had to have
occurred prior to the tribulation period or else they're never
going to be resurrected because we have the rest of time we have
from the seven years on till the end of time. We have the
record and we're told that nobody else gets resurrected after that
one until the very end when those who are resurrected in the condemnation
are resurrected. And the resurrection to life,
he says, is finished before the thousand year starts. So there's
no room for there to be a resurrection to life after the thousand years.
So you have to understand that you have that argument that would
show that the resurrection to life had to have occurred before
Revelation 20, and you don't have it anywhere in the book
of Revelation. So it had to have occurred prior to when we pick
up in heaven before Revelation chapter four starts. Then you
have the argument of the four and 20 elders versus the great
multitude that you have people in heaven who very much are connected
to. Uh, and the Bible makes, goes
out of its way to make sure you connect them to the church by
giving them the things that's promised to the church, setting
in thrones with God, ruling, wearing the robes and the crowns
and all that kind of stuff that he promised to them. It's like
you would have to ignore it to not see it because God's intentionally
drawing you to them. They're even seeing you know,
we're saved out every tribe nation tongue and race our numbers 10,000
times 10,000 thousands of thousands you know, everything's drawing
you to that while is the the great multitude is saved from
the tribulation and connected where they have a Similar description
like it's instead of white robes. It's white Raymond, you know,
it's it's instead of 10,000 times 2,000 is a multitude which no
man can number and So it's being described synonymously, but it's
not the exact same terminology to show you that they're the
same but there's something slightly different and it's just the period
from which they're being saved. Then you have the arguments of
Revelation 7 not being the middle of the tribulation, therefore
could not be the rapture as most people who believe in a mid-tribulation
or rapture would try to make it. It couldn't be the mid-tribulation
or rapture because it's not the middle, it's the end. You have
the fact that he's coming back with the Saints you have revelation
20 described revelation 19 describing that I guess and then Jude describes
it as saying 10,000 saints coming with him so we already have to
be with him before the end of the tribulation and You have
the the and I'll get to my main arguments that I give tonight
in a second You have the resurrection to life versus resurrection condemnation,
which we kind of talked about already And then the main ones
I've talked about tonight. So I said tried to pick a specific
Avenue to go down Is the fact that there is? The tribulation
prophecies and passages about the tribulation in the Bible
never talk about the church going in it. Every passage tells the
church you're not appointed under this, you're not supposed to
be looking for this, you're supposed to be looking for Christ coming
to gather the church, and you're supposed to be looking to his
kingdom after. But that seven years and all the stuff going
on that has nothing to do with you, this is about Israel. Old
Testament is full. It's littered with prophecies
about the fact that this is about Israel. You have to not read
Old Testament to ignore that because it's full of it. Like
if you read any of your prophecy books, you're going to see that
because it's full of that prophecy that the tribulation is about
Israel. It's about dealing with them
and punishing them. And there will be other people caught in
the crossfire. There'll be other people who have certain things
that happen to them as a result. But it's about Israel. So you
have your argument, the two main arguments upon which I would
build this is that the church is told that we're not to look
for the tribulation. We're to look for Christ coming
to gather his church and we're to be wise and faithful servants
who are looking for him to come, not for the Antichrist to be
revealed and all that stuff first, but for him to come and then
for his kingdom afterwards. So we're told to almost to ignore
that middle. It's not for us. You're looking
for before and you're looking for after. And then we're told
also the other big argument would be the fact that the tribulation
is never about the church. It's always about Israel and
all the prophecies that ever talk about it. It's always about
Israel. We're told why it happens in Daniel chapter number nine.
It's about Israel. And then I probably would include some of the stuff
like the fact that the language of Second Thessalonians and the
stuff with the Antichrist would require that the church has to
be taken out of the way before the Antichrist could be revealed
and Israel could go through all of this. So if I was to try to
boil it down, those would be my three main evidence. I gave
you a whole list of other stuff that I didn't cover in this lesson,
but my three main evidences would be never is it about church,
it's always about Israel. Church is told not to look for
it, but to look for Christ and for his kingdom that would come
after. So that would put them outside of that period of time.
And the fact that the language of second Thessalonians would
say that the Antichrist is waiting for the church to be taken out
of the way before he could be revealed. And normally I get
four evidences. So I'll throw the 420 elders
said to talk about that a little bit, that when you look at the
characters in the story of Revelation and the timeline of events, the
church and Old Testament saints, new and Old Testament saints
up to the time of the tribulation all seem to be in heaven already
having the rewards that would have come at the rapture. So
based primarily off of those evidences, but with your consideration
of the ones that I didn't go through, especially if you already
know those doctrines, I would invite you then to give your
grade. Of course, if you're not familiar with the grading system,
if you agree with what I've taught tonight, you do believe based
off of that evidence, the rapture would have to take place before
the tribulation period. then you leave us a comment telling
us that it was sound doctrine. That's good, a sound doctrine.
If you see it, but you're not really convinced, like you're
there, like it makes sense, but I'm not convinced yet. I still
need to see more, then leave almost persuaded. If you're still
on the fence, you're not really sure either way, then leave unsure. And if you don't agree with me
at all, put unconvinced, like you just I didn't convince you.
I didn't sway you on this. You're not there. You leave your
grade and let us know, because that's the whole point. That's
the challenge of this. I try to make these Bible studies
I do on Saturday a little bit different. And that's the one
thing I can do to make this a little bit different, is to present
it as a scientific study of a question that's asked and try to answer
it using the Bible, and then invite you to give your grade
and participate. So again, leave as a grade, sound doctrine if
you agreed, almost persuaded if you see it, but you're not
quite there, unsure if you're on the fence, and unconvinced
if you disagree, no matter how much you disagree. If you think
I'm completely wrong and I'm a heretic, still just put unsure,
or unconvinced. You don't have to be rude about
it. but unconvinced if you're just not there at all. All right,
so I didn't have any questions come in during it, which that's
not normally the way we do this study. We don't normally ask
for questions in this one. If you had some questions, I
would try to have answered, but I appreciate those who came in
to be part of the study. I appreciate even my mom's watching
over on Facebook, so my greetings to you. And to everyone else
from the church and all who's been a part of it I have actually
had my Bible up over top of the window the whole time so that
way I couldn't be distracted by the comments because normally
when I do a study like this I get a lot of distracting comments
from people who are not part of our Bible study group or anything
like just random people who just came in off of some other service
or something So I apologize, I didn't read your comments in
real time to actually know what you were responding to that I
said. I'm gonna assume everything is well though. All right, I
don't see any grades coming in, so I don't know. My mom's the
only one who gave one, so I assume I'll see those later. But anyways,
we're gonna go and close out. I try to keep these down closer
to 45 minutes to an hour or an hour and a half, because as I
said, this is just one of those things you cannot do it in a short amount
of time. Thank you for being a part of it. Hope it's been
a help to you. Hope at the very least it gets you considering
and thinking about are you Applying the same level of scrutiny to
all the doctrines. Are you willing to twist and
change things when it's suitable? Because we always need to make
sure we're holding every doctrine to the same standard that we're
making sure it lines up with the Bible That's my problem with
a lot of this stuff is If I tried to change the Bible to preach
any other doctrine, you'd call me a liar. But if this, if it's
a pet doctrine, people will change the wording. I don't want to
get in a different tangent tonight, but that's my issue with people
who believe in a the gap theory is they'll change the wording
of the passage. Like, well, it could have been translated this
way. And so if I preached any other doctrine where my foundational
doctrine is it could have been translated this way, you would
call me a heretic. And a lot of people who preach
amid or post-tribulation rapture do a whole lot of, well, it could
also be translated this way. And so for King James believers,
we need to be King James believers. We can't change the words just
when we need it to for our doctrine to fit. When you make sure you're
applying the right level of scrutiny in the equal level across all
doctrines. That's my little extra note It
didn't cost you anything if you've already cut off and you don't
even know that I'm saying what I'm saying now We look forward
to seeing everybody at God's house tomorrow. Thank you for
being part of the study. Hope it's been a help to you
I appreciate everybody who was a part of it And if you commenting
letting us know that you're here, we'll go ahead and close out
the study Look forward to seeing you tomorrow
UIBP: Is the Rapture Really Before the Tribulation? - Bro. Junior Haley
Series End Time Prophecy
| Sermon ID | 914231128314025 |
| Duration | 1:30:05 |
| Date | |
| Category | Bible Study |
| Language | English |
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