Well, greetings, welcome to the dividing line. We have some work to do right here at the beginning. We have some business to take care of and that is We have over the past month been offering raffle tickets for this Derek Melton blade. And when I say Derek Melton blade, you need to understand he makes all of it. OK, I mean, he forges the steel. He makes the handles. He it bottom up. Derek Melton does all that and the the really neat leather scabbard thingamabobby there. And it's razor sharp, by the way, just so you know. And I'm sure Derek would be happy to tell you what oil and stuff to put on it, because he's told me it's a Japanese sword oil, because I have a couple of his blades as well. And so we sold raffle tickets Of 200 some odd, I believe. 248. 248 raffle tickets. Some people bought more than one. I was just asking about that. And so that's really cool. And so you take it away, Rich, because you're the one that we have also on the line with us. Chris was our vice president. He has the listing of all the entries and everyone is tied to a particular number in the order in which their tickets were purchased. And so I brought up on the screen for you the random number generator. We're going to run that right now. And that's going to tell us the number that is the winner. And here we go. The number is 132, Chris. Who is our winner? 132. Sorry, Rich, that was not you. Congratulations to Roy Klassen. Say that again. Roy Klassen? Roy Klassen. All right. Well, Roy Klassen. How do you spell that last name? K-L-A-S-S-E-N. Well Roy, I am going to be getting in touch with you through your email and getting an address to ship this to you and congratulations Roy and thank you for supporting the ministry through all of this. We really appreciate you folks doing that. Yeah, in fact, Rich was at the RV. It's a dealership repair place. I mean, we started just having them doing repairs, and that's where we ended up buying the new relatively for us new RV. He was over there today. Once I got back from this last trip, I took it after we emptied it out, we took it over there. And it's not because there was a 16 million things do pretty much this. This trip over is all maintenance stuff, wheel bearings. Yeah. Tire rotations and making it easier. for me to set up the dividing line. And one of the ways to make that easier is to make it easier to hook up Starlink. And if you've not used Starlink, especially the mobile version of Starlink, they have made it easier. The new Starlink unit is amazingly simple. But you it's a proprietary cable, and you've got to be able to connect the modem to the cable. And that's interesting when you're in an RV. And so we're having a I don't know if you wouldn't call it a grommet. What do you call it? Well, actually that is what I would call it. I would call it a grommet with a membrane inside, a port that you run the cable through to get from the outside in. Yeah, so we're having a port installed so I can take that cable and get it in there and How'd I do it this last time rich somehow found a hole in the Gaskets in one of the slide outs and I'd be sitting there Trying to find this hole and then trying to thread stuff up there And if it goes the wrong way it ends up going someplace where it shouldn't go and you know fun stuff like that So we decide we're gonna do this. We need to do it right and Be able to do this With post haste because I like I like doing programs on the road not just dividing lines but hey we did our first debate and I thought it went just fine. And if we can set things up even more. quickly. We're working on background stuff. The light, the light stuff is up now and wiring has been put in and, and all this stuff. And we had that in the last in the last RV that became defective. And so we're just getting sort of back to where we were with the new one, which is a little more challenging. There was only one slide out in the old studio, and it really didn't impact much. This studio has two. Both the huge slide outs are, and these are big slide outs. I mean, this is a big unit. So anyways, that's where it is right now. So once they're done with all that, then I'll be taking it to our covered storage spot um which in the summer in phoenix is a good good thing to have um so uh congratulations to mr clausen uh on uh on this and i rich will be shipping it out so I want you to take a look, Mr. Claus, at what it looks like now. Because if you get a little pocket knife that says, Made in Taiwan, we're going to know who to blame. Taiwan, Oklahoma. Taiwan, Oklahoma. Yeah, I'm sure there's a Taiwan, Oklahoma. I'm sure that there is a place like that somewhere. Not really. So we want to thank Chris for helping out with the drawing. And he's already gone his way. So we got all the proper verification that we need to make sure that we did this on the up and up. And I didn't do a five-finger. I didn't buy a whole bunch of tickets under a false name. No Rich Pierce five-finger discounts. Yeah. Rich likes this knife for some strange reason. It is a beautiful knife. There you go. All right. OK. I have some really important topics to dive into here. And just letting someone know here, I'm actually doing scheduling. Because in October, the next trip that we're going to be doing, I've got the debate in Mobile, Alabama. Some people say mobile. I've always heard of mobile. But anyways, Mobile, Alabama on the, I believe the 26th. of October, and then I'll be at the Prodigal America Fight, Laugh, Feast thing in Fort Worth starting, I believe, the 30th. And so I'm right now talking with Pastor Jeff Neal, my old, old, decrepit old friend. I can say that because we're about the same age. I think I'm a year younger than him. And we've definitely grown up together. I could tell you stories, really could tell you stories. But he and I are texting and he was just asking me which Sunday I was going to be available while I'm there in the Fort Worth area. So that will be November 3rd. And he's trying to get me into two different churches on that Sunday. Makes for a long Sunday, but we'll try to do our best. Hope that I haven't picked up any wonderful stuff. For those of you who've been praying for me, thank you very much. Had surgery on Friday. First couple days weren't fun. I had expected significantly less invasiveness. because they're gonna be using this robot, you know, and you got all this, you know, this guy's sitting there and he's doing it all robotically. I had one hernia fixed on Friday. In 1993, I had two done. And this surgery for one was more invasive than the 1993 surgery was. We went backwards. I it's like, oh, we've got a toy to play with. And they chopped me up for for just one much more than they did for the two. You were going to you were. I actually can laugh now. It's okay. I'm all right. You know, I don't want to cough, but I'm first couple of days are rough, but I did 20 miles on bike today inside. I mean, falling off a bike right now would be really a bad idea. I will admit, but I've got to, I've got, I've got to get the miles back up. I did a hundred miles on bike Wednesday before the surgery. I went and signed up. I'm doing a 100 kilometer bike ride. It's a bike ride. It's Back in the olden days. It was the first 100 mile Ride that I ever did and I'm doing it again my goodness how many 31 years Yeah, 31 years after doing it the first time. Wow. I hadn't even thought about that. And so it's 100 kilometers. That's good, solid speeds I'm going these days, three and a half, four hours. And so I've got to get the fitness back. And I had it. It's not like you could lose it that fast. I'm a little nervous about that. A little nervous about that. So anyways, that's what's going on here. But again, down in Texas and Alabama, we're going to be down that direction. And then, as normal, the first weekend of December, which this time is going to be the 6th, 7th, and 8th, will be at Covenant Grace Church in St. Charles. Talking about the LGBTQIA plus insanity. And as I mentioned last time, very late in the year because Thanksgiving is the 28th. This is late as it can get. I don't think it can get any later than this. So and then on the way back, like the 11th, I'll be in Pryor with Derek Melton. So I'll be at the Derrick's Church in Pryor on the way back. Because I was supposed to be there. When was that, May? Yeah, I was heading there when I ended up in the hospital in Texas. So on all these things, remind me, I need to add them into your speaking calendar. You're supposed to just intuit this stuff. When I mention it in passing, you're supposed to just get all the details and stuff like that. Just how it works. I don't even have it in my calendar. I just happen to know that that's how it's going to be working. See how it works? He just knows these things. Well, actually, you have access to the RV Trip Life calendar, and that's the one that tells you where I'm actually going to be. I learn what KOAs you're going to be at. I don't learn what churches you're going to be at. Well, that's as good as you're going to get, okay? That's just all there is to it. He's got to be speaking at the KOA down in... yep so I went to church Sunday night and I really wanted to be I had missed the Sunday before because I had just gotten back and there was some stuff I had to take care of and I wasn't able to make it and so I I've been gone for a long time, and I don't like being gone that long. And so I wasn't feeling good, but there's a little pew at the church we run from. And it's right up front, but it's sideways. It's up against the wall. It faces the pulpit, but from the side. And I've just adopted it. Since I became an elder at Apologia, one of the pastors, I've just sort of adopted it. And that's what I said. And I've noticed that when I preach, Jeff normally sits there. So by the way, it's not attached to the wall. So do not sit in it. If you sit on the front of it, it will flip over on top of you. So be very careful about that. And, um, well, don't sit at it anyways. If I'm found there, it's mine. So get out of the way. Um, anyway, uh, so I'm sitting there and one of the wonderful, faithful families in our church, uh, comes up to me and they've got a gift bag and, and, um, Desi says to me, she says, uh, Liam, um, has a gift for you. And he was there, he's a young, young gentleman. I'm not sure of his exact age, but, um, and she put the gift bag down. I, I literally, as I was saying, I couldn't lean over far enough to even rummage around in it comfortably. Um, and I said, I'm gonna have to have Kelly helped me to, you know, get stuff out and unwrap it. Thank you very much. Uh, you know, things like that. Well, the curiosity got the better of me toward the end of the service. And so I'm sort of reaching down there and I feel something. And I pull it out. Now, I have a picture up on the screen right now. I don't know if Rich can... That's the last picture that I took of Darth. And Darfees was my buddy for almost 15 years. And he was born on our back porch. And his brother, Coper, was born on the back porch, too. But they were two different litters. And we knew the mother and the father and stuff like that. They were feral. And this was actually, I think, And this is the last picture that I have of him. You can tell Kelly's in the picture and it's a FaceTime thing. She was away. And so I had already made the appointment for later in that day for the vet to come to the house and put him down. He was wasting away. He had lost a lot of weight. He had become very clingy. He had never been a real clingy kitty, but he was on me constantly because he just felt so horrible. So, uh, that's last picture I have of Darth. So I I open I Open this gift bag And Liam has hand-drawn that picture And done a wonderful job with it It is very very hard to draw fur especially in black and white. I mean, it's very, very difficult, but you'll see it's very, very well done. If you compare the photograph that you had up just a moment ago. And I was, and yeah, there you go. And yeah, see? And I was just blown away. I mean, you know, when you come back, when I come back from traveling, and any preachers who travel will tell you this. When I come back from traveling, I will take my Bible out, and I'll find in the cover, inside the Bible, in my backpack, wherever, I'll find all these pictures. that I've been handed by especially young kids, really young kids. They'll come up to you after the service, and they're sort of nervous, and their parents sort of have to encourage them, and then they'll hand you this, and sometimes it'll be folded up, and you have to unfold it, and you know, I'm an easy mark because I shave my head, so you know, it's a round circle, and the beard, you know, but they've drawn pictures of me. And I can't tell you how many of those I've found, not only from our fellowship, but especially when I travel. And I'll bring those things home with me. And it means a tremendous amount to you to get this kind of stuff. But I was just like, How did he know? And then I found out that my wife had been involved, and my daughter knew about it, and things like that. So other people had collaborated, shall we say. I mentioned this, first of all, to thank Liam and to show you his handiwork. That's a great job. He also did another one of Copper. Copper is black. That's next to impossible to do. That's really hard to do. But just to let folks know that you don't have to send your pastors on cruises to say thanks. I'm not saying don't. But most pastors, something like this means far more to them than a cruise to Alaska or whatever else it might be. Though in Arizona, a cruise to Alaska in August would be really, really nice. It's a way to truly encourage people, and I would highly recommend that to others. There are things that people can do that will make your pastor's life wonderful. And I am preaching next Sunday. The deacon's actually requested, in light of how many new members we have, that we do a core doctrines series that the things that specifically set us apart and Jeff is going to be testifying on abortion laws in Ohio and Kentucky I think this week The final adoption decree came through for the girls, the twin girls, last week. So he's now posted some stuff about the trials and tribulations that was, and how the adoption process in the United States is a royal mess, and purposefully so. Anyway, he'll be doing that. So I'll be preaching and and so he was going, well, I'm doing this part of the gospel this week and next week would be justification by faith. I was like, I've heard of it. It wouldn't be the hardest topic for me to be addressing. So and I will be preaching on Sunday and So I just mentioned that I wanted to show you that beautiful artwork and thank Liam for that and encourage people out there, encourage your pastors, your elders. They need the encouragement now. Man, there's a lot of stuff out here. I. I've been bookmarking things in. in Twitter and I wanted to start. The only problem with this is there's got to be an easier way to do videos in Twitter than what we have right now. I suppose I just have to drag it over here and make it big. Hold on, hold on. Okay. This is a video featuring Pope Francis. I don't know when it came out. Pope Francis has held these views his entire pontificate. But I want to talk a little bit today As I have said for a long time, as our society secularizes, non-Catholics, Catholics, Orthodox, will be forced into a smaller and smaller area. Right now, we are facing the rise of Marxism in the United States. of a major political party in the United States that is filled with Marxists led by a Marxist Um, that just proposed last week, Marxist price controls, just like you have in Venezuela, the USSR, China, everywhere. Everywhere Marxism has existed, this is what the government does. And it causes, especially in regards to food, shortages, famines, death, uh, when applied to housing, same thing. And, uh, this is a meeting taking place in Chicago where yesterday they boasted that they had offered 10 image bearers of God on the altar. Planned Parenthood has a mobile vasectomy and abortion studio parked outside. They murdered 10 babies yesterday. I think they're up to 25 now. These people are the very essence The antithesis of Christianity, they're the antithesis of the Constitution of the United States as well. They're Marxists and they are promoting Marxist ideals and want to bring this nation to its knees and they're about ready to accomplish it. through corruption of the legal system, foreign intervention in elections, everything else, all happening all at once, right in front of our eyes. And they're not even hardly bothering to try to hide it anymore. So because of that, there are lots of Roman Catholics that recognize the foolishness of Marxism. And so what happens is, in social media, if you are saying certain things, the algorithm's going to end up hooking you up with people saying the same things, and you end up seeing lots of stuff from Roman Catholics. And so I'm seeing more and more interaction. Sadly, a large portion of the non-Catholic side is non-reformed, and hence Now, being Reformed doesn't mean you know much about the Reformation necessarily, but it does increase the possibility that you know something about the Reformation, and hence the real issues of the Reformation. The solas, you've probably heard sermons on the subject, things like that. And so, we're seeing these things, and we need to be giving as clear a testimony as we can. Because it's one thing for us all to be going, Marxism is stupid, but here's what happens. I'll be listening to a Roman Catholic talking about this stuff, and we're tracking, tracking, tracking, tracking, and all of a sudden, they go one direction, I go the opposite. Because their answer is to pray to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, or something like that. And it's tragedy, but that's the way it is. That's the world we live in. So as I play this, you can see the subtitles, because this is in another language. The Pope speaks a number of different languages. But I want you to see, we'll start here, and then we'll move to other elements here. Because this is the view of the Vatican. This is the view from the Vatican. And listen to what it says. And I knew that was going to happen. Most of the inhabitants of the planet declare themselves to be believers. This should provoke a dialogue between religions. So, she's saying, and I think this is going to mess it up again, she's saying, I have confidence in Buddha. Yep, I knew it. Jewish, Catholic, Muslim. Many think differently, feel differently. Seeking God or meeting God in different ways. In this crowd, in this range of religions, there is only one certainty we have for all. What's the certainty? We are all children of God. What? We are all children of God. Now this is something that Pope Francis says over and over and over again. We're all children of God. That's not what the Bible teaches. We're made in the image of God. We are God's creatures. But Jesus said to the Jews, you're not God's children. You're not God's sheep. The only way to be a son or daughter of God, according to the Christian message of the Bible, is by faith in Jesus Christ. The Pope does not believe that. The Pope does not believe that. We're all children of God. We all just have different ways of experiencing it. That's what you're seeing here. And it did it again. I'm just not even going to fight with it. This kind of Well, you know, I am going to fight with it. I believe in love. I believe in love. I believe in love. I believe in love. Now I used the space bar there and if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. How do you define love? Do you define love in the same way in Islam as you do in Christianity? How about in Buddhism? You might say, well, in Judaism, well, it depends on what form of Judaism. But the full demonstration of God's love is found in Jesus Christ in a way that's not found in Judaism, not found in Islam, and not found in Buddhism or Hinduism. Might as well throw an atheist in here with the fun of it. You have to be able to define what love is. But if you start with the assumption, we already have that foundation, you're not gonna be able to go there. Let's see what happens here. Nope. Hit space bar, boom, ba-boom, ba-boom. Man, I just, I don't even, huh? Yeah, it's possible. This is Chrome. This is Chrome. Alright, so that's gonna make some of this tough because I have three different videos, they're all in Twitter. Uh, and so... I'm... If her eyes are upon you, your salvation is assured. Alright, so, we- we have that kind of... That's probably gonna mess it up. I've tried- I've tried all- I've tried tapping on the screen, I've tried that thing, I've tried the spacebar, I've tried it all. Um... So... What's weird today is you have the Pope doing his ecumenical, wishy-washy, universalistic, inclusivistic stuff that would, again, it's funny. I've said this, I don't know how many times now. I've not had a single Roman Catholic even step up to try to argue it. The perspectives represented by Pope Francis today, if he had held to them publicly in 1600 in Rome, would have had him burned by the Roman Catholic Church. And people run off, well, you burned people too. That's not what we're talking about. That's not the point. The point is, he is not a valid or trustworthy representative of Roman Catholic tradition in any form. And there are many Roman Catholics who are sitting there going, don't argue with him, he's right. He's right. They know it. Many of you do know it. So you've got that wishy-washy stuff going on. And then you've got guys like this. And the Marian stuff that you can find online right now. It's always been there. It's just social media makes it so much easier to find. And Protestia has been doing a very good job. I don't know what they spend their days doing, but it's got to be cruising the net constantly. They track this stuff down. It's always been there. All you got to do, I've held the book up before. I don't think it's in here. It's called The Glories of Mary. I've read to you from it. It's very old, so it's been around. But most of us who are not former Roman Catholics struggle a little bit to realize that there are actually people who believe this. and who practice religion in this fashion. But here is Virgin Most Powerful Radio. Wow, I just noticed that. Virgin Most Powerful Radio. As soon as I hit the spacebar, I'll have to redo this. I have a feeling, but let's see what happens. If her eyes are upon you, your salvation is assured. Now think what that means. It means if she turns her gaze from you, you're toast. So when does she do that? Well, it's very simple. One of the things I've learned a lot about Our Lady in this whole thing is that she is absolutely consumed entirely with God. She loves us, but for His sake. She loves us under the aspect of God. And so, that love that she has for Him is so self-consuming that when we're in this state of grace and God is indwelling in our souls, she wants to look upon our souls. The minute it's gone, she doesn't want to look at it. That's what that basically means. Okay, so, back up to this. So, because we want to talk a little bit about Our Lady as a warrior. so obviously she's kind of like the nuclear bomb of heaven right so she just shows up and it's over if her eyes are upon you your salvation is assured okay it just restarted there so that's if you're confused uh so many things to catch here for most non-former roman catholics if you're not a former roman catholic you didn't come out of this um it's really hard to believe that people believe this the centrality of mary that mary is the central um object of devotion veneration and you can sit there until the cows come home saying there's a difference between lottery and dhulia between veneration worship there isn't There isn't. When when you know here here's a. Oh, I can't bring it over here because this is still maximized. Here is a. Yeah, OK, this is, I think, today. I think this is today. guy named Eric Sammons that I've seen a number of times on Twitter. Catholics, pray to Our Lady and ask her intercession for the conversion of all those here on X who malign her. I believe the devil's behind this renewed attack upon her, but we know she is the one who crushes his head. Our Lady, Queen of Heaven, pray for sinners. Who brings about conversion? Mary does. In Roman Catholic theology, she is the neck that turns the head of grace. All grace that comes to mankind comes through Mary. This has been taught by popes for quite some time. And this is how it ends up working out for people. I had, yeah, OK, here it is. Here is Taylor Marshall, and this may have been today as well. If you deny any of these four dogmas, you are a heretic and anathema. Mary is the human mother of God the Son. That's the only one with a biblical reference. Number two, Mary is ever-virgin. She and Joseph never had relations or children. She also experienced zero pain in giving birth to Jesus Christ. Second Council of Constantinople, AD 5-3, and the Lateran Synod of AD 649. Now, are these, by the way, ecumenical and infallible? They can't tell you. Did anybody at the time know they were ecumenical? Nope. Can't tell if you don't know. Number three, Mary is sinless because Jesus perfectly sanctified her at the moment of her conception. She never sinned, Council of Trent. Four, Mary's body was resurrected, glorified, and taken into heaven and seated at the right hand of Jesus Christ. All Eastern and Western liturgies and munificentismus deus, that's a wonderful term, in 1950. That, of course, The dogmatic definition of the bodily assumption of Mary in 1950, that was only 74 years ago. I wonder if there's going to be a big old brouhaha next year, big old celebration 75th year and all that kind of stuff. So here you have the various Marian dogmas. Mary as Theotokos, and again, Theotokos, mother of God, means God-bearer. That was originally a Christological title, had nothing to do with Mary. It had to do with Jesus, that he was not adopted into deity or something like that. That, of course, has been radically altered and changed over time and been turned into something completely different. Ever-Virgin Perpetual Virginia Mary, we've debated that one a number of times. We may have to do it again. At least with that one, you have clear biblical evidence, and it gives you great insight into just how far Rome will go to twist clear scripture to come up with the opposite of what clear scripture teaches. And you can sit there and yell, but Jerome! The funny thing is, you don't even have Helvidius' writings, and the vast majority of you have not read Jerome's response to Helvetius. I bet you if half a percent of Roman Catholics has actually read what Jerome wrote, I'd be stunned. The vast majority have not. And of course, even a higher percentage of non-Catholics haven't read it either. But it's not sound argumentation at all. At all. Then you have the Immaculate Conception, At least seven different popes taught contrary to that. Numerous early church fathers thought that Mary sinned. This is one of those many, many examples where Rome demonstrates that they don't give a flying leap about either the Bible or church history or tradition when it comes to defining Marian beliefs. Because it doesn't come from the apostles, it doesn't come from scripture. and then of course bodily assumption utterly disconnected. Remember first debate with Jerry Matitix Long Island? Anybody in the second century? Anybody in the third century? Mr. White, I don't have to show you that everybody in early church believed these things. Jerry, I'll take just one! Laughter everywhere. Because there isn't anything. What you end up illustrating with this stuff, I'm going to take this down. What you end up illustrating with this stuff is there are Marian devotees and Catholic apologists who will ravage any fair, honest, meaningful historiography, historical research. They will find anything, any word that they can read entire dogmas into from anybody in the early church, and they will cram everything about Mary into any word they say. It is such a demonstration, not only of their utter imbalance, but the utter ahistorical nature of the entire Marian system that so plainly and so clearly evolved over many centuries. And that the pinnacle of these Marian dogmas, you might say, hasn't even been defined yet. People thought there was a lot of speculation in 1999, maybe John Paul II would define the fifth Marian dogma, the Mary's Choreidemtrix, Comediatrix of Christ. He didn't. It's been taught as doctrine by Popes for 150 years, more. but wasn't dogmatized. But these, you know, the lack of immaculate conception, bodily assumption, and that. No semi-honest person who knows anything about history can look you in the eye and say, yes, that is clearly what was being taught in your literature. Because it wasn't. It wasn't. You have to absolutely twist people's words inside and out to come up with this stuff. That tells you a lot about what Rome has defined on the basis of tradition. So when Protestia and other people post these videos, a lot of us sit here going, what? Because it's just, it's so far outside of our experience. When we, when we go, when, when I, as a pastor go to the hospital, uh, which these days, instead of visiting others, it's been pretty much just for me, but, um, it's been fun. Um, But when I go to visit people in a hospital that have just gone through a horrible loss or have just gotten a terrible prognosis or whatever else it might be, Mary is the last person on our mind. Because if you're going to open the scriptures to someone, the scriptures know nothing of Mary having anything to do with anything. No, she's not the woman in Revelation 12. Even the early church didn't believe that. That's absurd. That's, again, twisting the scriptures. Mary passes from the scene. Brief mention only in regards to Jesus. Born of a woman. She's not Revelation. She's not a part of the worship of the church. She's not being prayed to. She's not intervening. She's not the neck that moves the head of grace. None of this stuff is found anywhere in scripture. And as a pastor with the sheep of Christ, they want to hear the voice of Christ. And so I'm opening scripture to them. We are going in prayer by the Holy Spirit directly to the throne of grace, where Jesus Christ intercedes for his people and represents us in the very presence of the Father. I'm not going through intermediaries, I'm not going through saints or angels. The biblical picture, the biblical presentation, that taught by the apostles is very, very different than what you have in Roman Catholicism. And so when we hear this kind of stuff, we're just like, it's a different religion. You don't even know how to address it. And so we listen to this guy. And remember what he said. He said that if Mary's gaze is upon you, your salvation is assured, but if he turns her eyes away, you're toast. And then when he explained that, a lot of non-Roman Catholics would struggle to understand exactly what he's saying. He's holding to an older traditional form of Roman Catholic theology where you are in the state of grace. And if you understand what that means in Roman Catholic theology, grace has been infused into you. It's the old, I've told the story many, many times before. We have lots and lots of new listeners all the time. We're thankful you're here. Um, it's the old conflict between what Luther pointed out when he talked about the pile of dung. Okay. Now we, we don't know what Luther actually said. This sounds like Luther. Let's run with it for that. He's credited with it. He said that we in our sinful state are like a pile of dung. We're reprehensible. This came from his experience in rural Germany where you kept your animals refuse to use as fertilizer in your fields the next spring when you plant your crops. You had to. That's the only way you didn't starve the next year. But by the end of the summer, man, that dung pile was pretty putrid. Lots of flies and, man, if the wind was going the right direction, it was rough. Fresh country air, we used to call it. And Luther said that justification is like the first winter snow that comes and covers all the land evenly before all the ruts and the, you know, the stuff that doesn't look nearly as good come February, March. And he said it's an alien righteousness. It covers us over, but it doesn't take the dung pile away. It's not our righteousness. You haven't done something to the dung pile to change it into something else. It's still dung, but it's covered in something that is pleasing to the eye. It takes away the smell, takes away the repulsiveness. He was not saying that there is not sanctification. Sanctification does take place. But he was differentiating between justification and sanctification. Roman Catholics attack it. Ah, it's legal fiction, blah, blah, blah, blah. So we turn the illustration around. In Roman Catholic theology, what you have is an infusion of grace in baptism that changes a pile of dung into a pile of gold. God likes gold. He lines streets with it. So, because you have been changed, your soul has been made pleasing to God, that's why you go to heaven. It's not because of an alien righteousness. It's not because of an imputed righteousness. It's because you have been made righteous. The problem is sin. And so from the Roman Catholic perspective, the old style, again, I don't know what Francis believes about this. Functionally, experientially, I don't know. But the old style Roman Catholic teaching, that's still the teaching of the official documents anyways, is that if you commit a mortal sin, you leave the state of grace. That's what he was talking about. You leave the state of grace, she turns your eyes away, because she's not going to look on that. Why? Because if you commit the moral sin, it destroys grace justification, and you become a pile of dung again. And Mary's not going to look at a pile of dung. So notice, Mary has no power to determine one way or the other. It's all up to you. Now it is God. It's all up to you. And so, If you commit venial sin, you're a pile of gold. You commit venial sin. Well, flecks of dung start appearing on the surface of the gold. And before you can go into the presence of God, those flecks of dung have to be removed. That's what purgatory is about. That's what it was about. It's very obvious to me these days that Roman Catholics are very embarrassed by purgatory and no longer really believe what Roman Catholics used to believe about purgatory. That's obvious to me. Jimmy Akin, Trent Horn, I don't think they actually believe what their grandparents believed about purgatory at all. I really don't. And I think the vast majority of Roman Catholics, if they weren't trying to defend things, would go, yeah, yeah, that's true. Anyway, so that's what he's saying. If her gaze is upon you, it's because you're in the state of grace. But if you turn your gaze away, because you're no longer in a state of grace, you're toast. How is that a powerful statement? That's not Jesus' Bible. All those are given to him, he raises them up on the last day. Why? Because he actually can save them to the uttermost, Hebrews chapter 7, because he ever lives to make intercession for them. You don't have that in Roman Catholicism. Because you don't have a finished work of Christ. The Mass does not perfect anyone for whom it's made. So you don't have that. You can't go there. Different gospel. Different gospel. And so you see how Mary is central in what he says, but she doesn't have the power that we attribute to Jesus in his atoning death because we believe in soul scriptura and we allow the scriptures to define these things. I don't even know how to comment about Mary as a nuclear bomb, okay? I mean, Mary has no earthly idea what's going on on this planet, okay? Every prayer that's ever been said to Mary, she never heard it. God is not subjecting that poor, dear servant of his to the billions and billions and billions of requests and everything else that is directed toward her. It's a false hope. And She's not a nuclear bomb. And when people today look at what's happening in our world and say, our hope is Mary, I just go, no, our hope is not Mary. And if you're working and praying that direction, you're gonna accomplish nothing and that's what breaks my heart is I like I said I'll be listening Roman Catholics and they see it they get it and yes sir I was going to comment. Dead air is not a good thing, I just thought. What's that? Dead air is not a good thing. Do you remember when we went to World Youth Day when we were young? Very, that was- Remember the two nuns? Was that 31 years ago? That was 1993. 31 years ago. Was it June? I think it was June. It was warm, yeah. And we were talking to the two nuns out there as we were passing out tracts in the middle of these thousands of Roman Catholics swarming the place. Was that when the first day when it was the big gathering or is that when they were on the pilgrimage? I think it was the first day. Because it was after, I think that was after we went to the museum and saw the- Yeah, the P-72. Yeah, you almost got us thrown out of the place. But I will never forget the conversation. You were having this in-depth conversation with the older nun. And the younger nun was not to be left out. So she starts talking to me. And she starts pleading with me about praying to Mary. You really should try it. You really should try it. And I looked at her as genuine as I possibly could, and I said, you don't understand, do you? And she goes, what's to understand? I said, the line's busy. She's so busy praising God, she's completely absorbed by that. She hasn't got any time for my piddly little problems. And she didn't know what to do with that. She was just totally floored. And she's like, oh, let's listen to them. I don't remember that. But I do remember lots of conversations that first day. Yeah, so I had another video from Marmari Emmanuel, the guy down in Australia that was attacked in April, lost his eye. A Muslim attacked him while he was preaching. He lost his eye. And so, you know, give the man credit there. But this was before that happened and he was talking about how he had been in hell and Mary had rescued him from hell. And you're just like, It breaks my heart, really, really does, to see this kind of tradition. And someone had said on Twitter, the Catholics and the Orthodox, they all believe this type of stuff. And all that does is demonstrate the danger of tradition when it's not checked, and that we all need to check our traditions. And the only way to do that is by that which is theanustos, And that's only scripture. There's nothing else that is the honest us. So, um, now if I wanted to wrap up at four o'clock in one hour, um, I'd, I'd wrap things up right now. But, um, actually rich is telling me that he's going out of, out of town on Thursday and Friday. Okay. And I do recall that at some point, I don't remember when, long, long ago, he mentioned this. And I wasn't even thinking about scheduling and stuff like that. So I have a program to do, the Bible Dingers program, with michael brown tomorrow at three o'clock so maybe we could do like one thirty one thirty to two thirty i guess it's enough time to get reset because we have to mess around with the ATEMs and stuff to change how things are working. We could do a program tomorrow and that would give me plenty of time to address Bob Gagnon. Yeah, Bob Gagnon, one of the best guys dealing with homosexuality and all that kind of stuff out there that you know we so deeply appreciate but what's strange is he's very strongly anti-reformed and i don't know if it was about three years ago or so he and i went back and forth on facebook on stuff out of the gospel of john and in fact recently i saw him posting something about john chapter six i looked closely at and said that's what he wrote three years ago in response to me And so he posted a response to someone named Andrew on Twitter about John 1029. And I'm like, all right, we'll talk about this on The Dividing Line. So if we're gonna sneak another program in tomorrow, I'll just hold that for tomorrow and we'll delve into John chapter 10 in response to Bob Gagnon, which is strange to me, because when I first ran into Dr. Gagnon, he was teaching at Pittsburgh Seminary, which is a PCUSA, Presbyterian. Now, not overly conservative Presbyterian, certainly not anymore, but seems pretty obvious to me the Westminster Confession of Faith's position on this. But he's gone from PCUSA to a Baptist school and now he's at a Wesleyan school. So evidently in that area there's a lot of wiggle room from his perspective. So maybe it's not as unusual as might be, but we will, uh, we'll dive into that on, um, tomorrow's program at one 30, our time, which will be four 30 Eastern time, Eastern daylight time. Um, for everybody, isn't, I just, the only people who understand daylight time and saving time are Arizonans because we are the only ones who don't do it. And everybody else, since everybody does it, they don't even think about it. And we're sitting here going, well, which one is it again? What do you mean? Oh, never mind. Yeah, so we'll mess with that at that particular point in time. So tomorrow afternoon, if you're in the East, earlier afternoon, if you're in the West, we will dive into John chapter 10. And that way, we won't have to totally shift gears Burn out the clutch. Some of you have no idea what that means. It would be funny to see anyone from millennials onward trying to drive one of those things. But anyhow, what? On a hill. Oh, starting on a hill. Oh, yeah. Oh, I know. I know. I know. Believe me. Been there, done that. Got the T-shirt. All right, thanks for watching the program today. Mr. Klassen, heading your way. And thanks to everybody who helped with the financing through this. We'll see you next time tomorrow. God bless.