The following program is recorded content created by The Truth Network. It's Matt Slick Live! Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at karm.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers. Taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Everybody, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick, and you're listening to Matt Slick Live. If you wanna give me a call, as usual, all you have to do is dial 877-207-2276, and I wanna hear from you, give me a call. And if you want, you can also send me an email to info at carm.org, info at C-A-R-M dot O-R-G, and put the subject line, radio comment, or radio question, either one of those, And we can get going. All right, so I'm working on EVMux. I'm just going to say I'm having a little bit of a difficult time trying to figure out a little something here and just working it. So I'm learning. So there's part of the issue there. Anyway. We do have a call coming in. I plan, Lord willing, we'll be at Charity Baptist Church in Kannapolis, North Carolina. I'll be there Friday night and Saturday, and then I'm going to be in the area for the next few days. I'm going to go up to Winston-Salem, that's a plan, on Monday, and go up there to see the station, maybe do a live show there, I don't know. We'll just see. We'll just see how it's going to work. And I'm hoping that you guys, you know, if you're out there, you want to meet, come on by to Kannapolis at the church, which is on Saturday. And it's $50 to get in, but that's two days before. You can just get tickets now. You can just go to, just go get them free. It's no big deal. And if you want to get in and you can't when you're there and it's too much, just say so. because I know everybody there and they'll let you in. But they do try and raise a little bit of money to pay for the food, to pay for some stuff and things like that. So anyway, there's that. And like I said, you can email me info at carm.org. Info at C-A-R-M dot O-R-G. And if you want, you can put in the subject line, radio comment or radio question, and we can get to you and stuff like that. Easy peasy, got a caller coming in. And so I'll be off the air live Monday, excuse me, Thursday, Friday, I'll be traveling. I'll be out in North Carolina. I'm looking forward to it, you know. I'm looking forward to it. I don't know if I have. I've never flown into Carolinas and done any driving or anything like that. I just don't know. I don't remember. But it's going to be fun going out there. I'm on the air? Yeah. What? Joanne wants you to tell you that her internet is not working. Okay, thank you. My wife just said that someone's internet's mixed up who does some show stuff, so that's okay, that happens. All right, let's get on the air with Chuck from Ohio. Hey, Chuck, welcome, you're on the air. Hi, yeah, I had a question about James. I think it's 514 about praying, annoying the elders of the church to call for them and being anointed with oil and the prayer of faith will heal the sick. And is that strictly a physical illness or can it also be a spiritual illness? Well, it says if anyone is sick and it's a physical condition, alright, then call the elders and pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. It's a physical thing that they're doing. It's a physical act for a physical person. And the prayer offered in faith will restore him when he was sick, and the Lord will raise him up, and if he has committed sins, he'll be forgiven him. This is talking about the issue of eldership working in the church, not only just talking about putting oil on someone's head, anointing them as a kind of healing balm, not that it has any mystical power in it, but that but also in the context when they would go and they would heal people, or they'd pray over them, and people were healed, then there's a lot of times people come to faith. And there's another issue that's a possibility here, is that sometimes your sin can cause you to get sick. And so, if you are in that state, in that condition of rebellion against God in some area, and you're sinning, and then you ask the elders come over and anoint you, maybe you've been sick, and they anoint you and they talk about repentance and other things, then you can be healed. And so this is one of the issues that they're talking about, that it may be there as well. So it's just a couple of things. We're not exactly sure what it exactly means all the time. All right. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Is that kind of like, um, You know, the passages that confess your faults one to another and pray for one another that you may be healed. Yes, you know, confess your sins one to another. You see, when we have sin that is weighing upon our hearts, that's unconfessed and undealt with, it can bring sickness to us. You know, people out there I know are aware of certain grievances they've got, guilt that they're working with, that they've had, that they are just, you know, it hurts them. It's like a weight, a chain around their heart, their soul. And it can bring you to sickness. It can cause you to get depressed, do bad things, etc. Yeah, it can happen in that sense. So, forgiveness is associated with a lot of that, with confession and stuff, okay? Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. All right. Well, God bless. Okay. God bless you. Thank you. All right. All right, now let's get to Luke from Washington, D.C. Luke, welcome. You are on the air. Hi man, how are you? Doing alright, hanging in there man, hanging in there. What do you got buddy? Today's question about Genesis 1 to 11. Okay. Genesis 1 to 11. Is it allegorical or history? Then God said let the earth sprout vegetation. Yeah, it's history. Uh huh. How do you prove that? Okay, you're a little hard to understand. You're on a speakerphone and it's away from you. So I'm not sure. How do I prove it? Was that the word? Is that what you're asking? Are you there? Hello? Hello? Not sure if that's what he's asking. If it is proof, proof is for mathematics and logic. And so I wouldn't say that there's an issue there of proof. I would say this is simply what it says. And that's just what it is. And it's up to people to either believe or not believe what it actually says. So that's all I would say. Okay. All right. I don't hear him, so I don't know if there's a connection bad or something like that. So I think what we'll do is get some radio questions and things like that. All right. We have nobody. Oh, we lost him. I guess there was an issue there. That's all right. Okay. Okay. Hey, look, if you want to give me a call, the number's 877-207-2276. You can also email me. That is easy to do. Just direct an email to info at carm.org, info at C-A-R-M dot O-R-G, and put in a subject line, radio comments, or radio question, and we can get to you. No problem. All right. Now, we don't have anybody waiting right now, so I'm going to get to some of the questions that we have. And I like doing questions. I like just answering stuff. One of my favorite things to do is just basically teach Bible, debate, teach, go through stuff. I love doing that. I really enjoy it. It's just something I'm called to do, I guess, but I enjoy it. All right. So how about this one? Let's see. What's response to claim that many biblical teachings are borrowed from pagan religions? Pre-Satan Christianity went over that last week. Generally speaking, when people make this kind of claim, one of the things that they need to do is demonstrate that their claim is true. If they want to say, look, it was borrowed, how do you know it was borrowed? And you've got to ask them. You've got to show them the documentation. Because people will often just say something, and then Christians will just assume that what they're saying is a legitimate question. Well, not necessarily. What is the issue or the attitude that they have that's bringing them to that? What's the motivation? Have they done any homework? Have they studied? Are they just repeating something they've heard? And this is why I say to people, you need to study. You need to ask. other questions around the questions that they will ask you, like this, that was borrowed from a pagan. I say, how do you know? Just show that to us. Show us what verses in the Old Testament and what practices in the pagan religions that they were borrowed from. Show us. And I say to people, if you can't do that, then stop spreading rumors. and gossip, because that's all you're doing. That's what I tell them. All right. There you go. All right. Let's see. Oh, let's get to Cole from Georgia. Cole, welcome. You are on the air. Yeah. How are you doing, Matt? I'm doing OK, Cole. How are you doing, brother? I'm OK. Kind of driving. I was listening to you. I got a question about 2 Kings chapter 3. Uh, the last two verses, I can't remember, I think it's 25, 24. Uh, the last two verses. You familiar with those verses? Do you know what the hell was that? Well, um... The Bible's a big book, so I can't say, oh yeah, I know about those particular two verses. It says, when the king of Moab saw that the battle was too fierce for him, he took with him 700 men who drew swords to break through the king of Edom, but they could not. Then he took his eldest son, who was to reign in his place, and offered him as a burnt offering, and the wall, and great wraith. And there came great wrath against Israel. They departed from him and returned to their own land. OK, yeah. yeah well that's not really the one i was looking at i was actually looking at the now that one's weird to uh... because he's i don't understand that date they retreated because the uh... sacrifices on but at the head scratcher i don't i don't know about that but i think i would like to call it about up you know i don't know uh... you know i shot with the children the children were mocking him yes you know he'll call making fun of them calling them names yes you're familiar with that yes i am i know i know what the issue is uh-huh now my question about that now how old do you think those boys were now it says boys but And he said that it called them out and it was a number of boys. I think, I don't know. 42. Okay. Yes, I do. Let me just jump. Let me jump in. All right. Let me jump in and help you out. Okay. So, uh, Elijah was going and he was an adult. We have 42 young men who are out in a group. You don't do that back in that culture. Young men are lads going out in a group away from the supervision of their fathers. in that culture was a sign of rebellion. And what were they saying? Go up, you bald head. Because Elijah had been ascended into heaven. He was no longer here. Go up, bald head. So they're insulting him by saying bald head, not that being bald is an insult, but they were just speaking that way and it was insulting the way they were addressing him. And to say go up is basically threatening his life. Or saying we want you to die, or in mockery, whatever it is. And so the prophet of God, Elijah, is threatened by these guys, and a bear's come out and kill him. Okay, that's it. Wow. And the bear came out and ripped him in pieces from the version I was reading. I was reading from the MEB, the modern English version. It says a bear tore, well, I guess if a bear get a hold of you, he is gonna rip you in pieces. Yes, it was two female bears, too. So they came out and tore up 42 of them. That's significant. Hey, there's a break, buddy, okay? Yeah, that had to be gruesome, right? Yes, yes, it was. We gotta go. There's a break. Okay, man. Hey, folks, if you want to give me a call, the number is 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody, and welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, the number is 877-207-2276. Just want to let you know I'll be in Kannapolis, North Carolina, Friday evening and Saturday, speaking at a conference. If you want to go, you want to check it out, you can go to ministrytomuslims.com. Ministry, T-O, ministrytomuslims.com. And just go to the upcoming events and the East Coast Strong Tower Conference. And I'll be there along with some others. It'll be at Charity Baptist Church in Kannapolis and the information is there. You can look up Charity Baptist Church on the web. It's free to get in for tickets. You go there and you get tickets. And if there's a bit of confusion and you're not sure if you want to go because of a payment that didn't work or something like that, don't worry about it. just go there and show up. They're very gracious. They're very good people there. And we'd rather have you be there than not. And so one of the things is I don't know what my schedule will be for Saturday evening, because the conference gets done around, I think, four or five or six. And so I was thinking about possibly going to a restaurant and meeting people if they want to do something like that. So in Kannapolis or Concord or something like that in that area. So anyway, if people are interested in that, in attending, or you have any questions, you want to maybe get together, meet, or whatever, let me know. You can send an email to info at carm.org, C-A-R-M dot O-R-G. And I do plan on Monday being in Winston-Salem area, touring the radio station. And then Tuesday, someone wants me to speak someplace, I forgot where what. I forgot where, I'll find more information out. And that'll be that. So I'll be off the air live on Thursday and Friday for sure. And let's get to Oskar from New York. Oskar, welcome. You're on the air. Yes, sir. Thank you. Thank you. Something I'm trying to understand is speaking in tongues in most churches, emic, because I don't understand what they're saying. Is it what? I missed one word. Is it what? Oh, yes. Speaking in tongues in most churches is a gimmick. You know, like a gimmick. Oh, gimmick. I can't tell you. I can't tell you because to say most means 50% or more. And I don't know. I don't know. I'm sure there are churches where it's gimmicky, and I'm sure there are churches where it's legitimate. I just don't know. We tend to kind of recognize the churches that are gimmicky, as you like to put it there, false churches that speak in tongues to each other on TV, whatever. It's a way of exalting oneself. It's foolishness. So, no. But what is speaking in tongues? See, it's to be done according to 1 Corinthians 14 by three or four at the most with interpretation. And if you don't have an interpretation, you keep quiet. Because the church is to be conducted in order. It is not to be chaotic, not to have a bunch of people speaking in tongues. Excuse me. Not excuse you. I mispronounced something. So I remember I went to a church in Texas. And went out there and talked to the pastor. And he was a great guy. And he believed, and I'm fine with that, with the charismatic gifts. He was Reformed also. And they would sing, everybody would sing in tongues in the congregation. And I said, what are you doing that for? And he said, well, you know, it's just a praise and singing in tongues, people would do that. And I said, but the Bible says, you know, tongues, if we don't, you know, speaking in tongues with two or three, or excuse me, three or four, you know, and that's it. And he said, yeah, but that's not singing. And I said, so let me get this straight. I said, so an unbeliever goes in, hears you speaking in tongues, and they're confused. But if they're singing in tongues, the unbeliever's going to say, oh, OK, that's fine then. Is that what you're saying? And he got the point. And he said, you know, that's a good point. I said, yeah, so if everybody's doing that, it's going to confuse them whether they're singing or speaking. And so I think he stopped it, actually. I have no problem with charismatic gifts. I'm for them, all of them, for today. And that's probably one of the reasons I don't get asked to speak very often. Because I'm a Calvinist and people don't want me to speak because I'm a Calvinist I'm all mill and people only speak cuz I'm all mill I'm in for baptism not for salvation, but as a covenant list They don't miss me because they'll knock me up from there and then the rest of them. He's a charismatic gifts We can't have him either So that it was explained why yeah, anyway, that's a kid about a little bit. That's all All right Well, thank you very much. Okay, bye-bye. Okay. Okay, God bless. All right. Now let's get to Dave from North Carolina. Dave, welcome. You are on the air. Thank you, dear brother. I have a question. Revelations 320, and Jesus says, stand at the door and knock, and if any man open the door, I'll come in and sit with him. I hear many, many pastors use that as a door to salvation for a lost person. I see it as a fellowship with the believer. How do you see that? Well, that's a good question. Well, okay. So one of the things here is that in the book of Revelation, the first two chapters, it's a rebuke to these churches, generally speaking. And so it's at Laodicea, which I was just there in November. I love talking about it. I think of Laodicea, I think of walking along the ruins with people and Eric Johnson, he runs those things. Hey man, hey Eric, if you're listening, how you doing buddy? Really appreciate it. And so, I'm thinking about it. But at any rate, standing at the door of Knock, and Knock, he's initiating, it's a sign that Jesus is initiating a desire of fellowship with this particular church. And they weren't... They were not doing what needed to be done. So he says, I know your deeds, teacher, are neither hot or cold. I wish that you were hot or cold. Because he's saying, look, to the church, make a decision, live one way or another. He stands at the door, he wants that fellowship, make a decision, and he's already talking to those who are already believers, generally speaking, the church at Laodicea. He says, if you open, I'll come in. Now, we have to be careful on trying to offer an exact, this is what it really means, interpretation of this, because sometimes we have to, we have to kind of step back and say, well, here's some possibilities. One is that it is speaking about unbelievers who are in the church of Laodicea, and he wants to have fellowship with them. But what it says is to the angel of the church of Laodicea. Amen, the faithful, the true witness, the beginning of the creation of God says this. I know your deeds. Now the angel represents the church. So it's writing to the church that the angel is the head figure of that church, which is really interesting theology because it means angels. It looks like angels are heading up or are in charge of certain churches in a spiritual sense, in the spiritual realm. Maybe guardianship, maybe work, whatever. He says, but nevertheless, you're lukewarm. And in that area, There were springs that would come up, and some were hot, some cold, and some had this combo of lukewarm. It was nothing. It was nothing. He says, you're miserable, you're blind. Okay, now, this is talking about the whole of the Laodicean church. Now, having been to Laodicea and seen the ruins, I wouldn't know this if I hadn't been there. But it's huge. And when we get back to the break, I'll tell you something about it, which I think might influence how we interpret this. So hold on. We've got a break coming up. Folks, if you want to give me a call, the number is 877-207-2276. Be right back, please. Stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone, welcome back to the show. Bottom of the hour, if you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. David, are you still there? Yes, I'm here. So here's the thing, it's a big area. The ruins would take two to four hours to walk through. It's not like 200 people were there, thousands and thousands. It had an amphitheater. that I'm going to guess from just remembering standing at the top of it, it was on the side of a hill and probably a hundred steps to go down. A hundred steps with all these rows of seats around a large amphitheater probably hold, I'm guessing, two, three, four thousand people easily. Alright, so, it's a big area. The point is, If it's that big, then it's going to have a lot of commerce. If it's going to have a lot of commerce, then it's going to have secular influences upon it and the people who are there. It doesn't mean that every individual in Laodicea was a Christian. It means that there was a church there at Laodicea. Well, in the midst of the secular pressures of a very commerce oriented city, the Christians there could become lackadaisical. And so what's happening is Christ is warning them, you need to get back into fellowship with your first love with me. You got to seek me, seek the Lord Jesus. So he says, he's standing at the door of knock to knock with, uh, because he wants that fellowship with them. It's not an evangelism text because it's, I would not use it as an evangelism text. I would use it as a text of repentance for the Christians who have been saved and are compromising their faith. Maybe they're living with somebody. Maybe they're watching things they shouldn't be watching. Maybe they're not going to church like they should be. Maybe they're getting lackadaisical in their attitudes. They're one foot in the world, one foot in the church. Kind of lukewarm attitude and Jesus is saying look I sent the door if you hear me, you know, I'll come in I'll dine with you I'll fellowship with you. That's the thing and a lot of people don't know this God is a God of fellowship because his nature is Trinitarian There's a natural A natural and necessary aspect of God's nature is fellowship. In that fellowship is love. And he extends this to us in the redemptive work of Christ, cleansing our souls, and he indwells us, and so we participate in the fellowship, the vertical between God and man. We participate in the fellowship aspect that is within the very nature of God himself. And he has that with us as we are in Christ, that's by federal headship. But the Lord God literally dwells in us. And so we participate in that divine nature, in that sense, in the fellowship that we have with the Lord. It's what he wants. And sin stops us from that. Sin hinders us from that intimacy and that fellowship with the Lord Jesus. He cleansed us. He justifies us. All of this is by faith. And he wants us to walk with him, to seek his presence, to have fellowship with him. And so he's calling us to repentance. And that's what I think is really going on in Revelation 3.20. OK? Yes. Okay. Yes, it is easy for a believer to drift apart from God and lose what's closest. And as a believer, though, at the same time, we desire to be close to God, but sin has a way of sometimes separating our relationship with him. You gave me a good answer. A lot of things are to think about. Good, and here's something I tell people if you want to have that fellowship with Christ, you want to stay spiritually alive, you need CPR. You know CPR can save your life, right? CPR, confess, pray, read. Confess your sins to the Lord, pray, be in fellowship with him, read his word. And this is the foundation of that cleansing work of Christ in us that continues in a sanctifying way, and our fellowship with Him will increase. Okay? I agree. Thank you. Thank you, Matt. I appreciate you. I love your program. Hey, thanks for that. Hey, I'm going to be out there in North Carolina. Don't know if you're going to come by on whatever day, but it'll be North of Charlotte area. So just saying. Yeah. What date is that? Do you have the date? Yeah. Friday, this Friday, this Friday, the 15th and then the 16th will be there too in Kannapolis. Friday night and Saturday. Yeah. I would love to. I'm in Greensboro, but If I could, I would love to. The information is on ministrytomuslims.com and I think maybe Laura can tell me so you can put a text in the chat or something like that. I'll announce it when you're off. But there's a website page that we put up. I think she did it. Actually, maybe she can text me what it is. Okay. And it has all the information on CARM, that is C-A-R-M dot O-R-G. Yeah, I think what you have to do, actually I remember it now. CARM dot org forward slash CARM forward slash NC, North Carolina. Yeah. So if you type in, if you go to the homepage and just type in Kannapolis. Then you should find it. K-A-N-N-A-P-O-L-I-S. And it should take you right there to the page. It has all the information. OK? OK. Thank you so much. All right. No problem. God bless. All right. God bless. All right. All right. Yeah, good. Now, let's get to next longest waiting is Christine from North Carolina. Christine, welcome. You're on the air. Thank you, hi. My question, I would like two parts really. Is there one true church through the ages and were there twelve apostles to always be throughout until Christ's return? Well, we have to define our... Let me go to the second one. No, there's no 12 apostles throughout the history in the world. So no, they were just the original 12. Now, one true church. So a lot of churches claim to be the one true church. Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodox. And what they're defining themselves as is the earthly organizational church structure. They are the right one. And if you want truth, you've got to belong to that church. That's one idea of what a true church is. But in Ephesians 1, 22 and 23, it says the church is the body of Christ, the fullness of Christ. So he indwells his people, John 14, 23. Well, there's what's called the invisible church and the visible church. The invisible church is the people who are regenerated, who are indwelled by God, who love the Lord. They may attend visible churches. They may go to a church on the corner down there, a Baptist church, a Calvary Chapel, a Presbyterian church, whatever. And it's not saying that every member or every person who attends that church is saved, nor does it necessitate that even the pastor or the elders at that church are saved. I'm not saying that churches aren't, they're not saved of course, but it's just not, there's no guarantee of anybody's salvation who attends a visible church. The real church is the invisible church. The visible church has pastors and teachers and congregation members, etc. And so the invisible church members attend visible churches. But not all visible churches are legitimate churches. like Eastern Orthodoxy, Roman Catholicism, are false churches. And so they're not true. It can't be the true church. They teach false gospel, false priesthood, false Mary, things like that. And so that doesn't mean there's not true Christians in those churches. So you see, it's kind of hard to answer. But one of the questions is, well, then what did God do during the 2,000 years from then to now? Was there one true church? And I say, yeah, the body of believers that God anointed and that God is the one who sealed them and regenerated them. That's the true church. The earthly organization, churches as we know in EO and RC, became corrupt. So, OK? Okay. Thank you so much. I appreciate your insight in your system. I appreciate it. Enjoy your day. All right. Okay. Thanks a lot, Christine. God bless. All right. Now let's get to Jermaine from California. Jermaine, buddy, my brother. You're welcome. Oh man. We've got a break coming up here in a few seconds. What do you got? Let's see. We've got time. Does the Bible give any physical description of what Satan would look like? Yes, yes it does. What I'll do is I will go to that because we have a break here and we'll go through what the Bible says he looks like because it's mentioned. Okay, and I'm waiting for the break to start any second because it started But it's in Ezekiel and We'll go there. There's the break music. So be right back. Okay. Hey folks Please stay tuned and we'll get to his questions a good question and we'll just figure it out. It'll work. Okay. God bless It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone, welcome back to the show. And if you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 877-207-2276. All right. Jermaine, you there, buddy? Yes, I am. All right, man. All right. Okay, so if you go to Ezekiel 28, I'm going to read you something here and we'll go through a comment a little bit. A lot of people don't know that this is very often used as a description of the devil. It says, son of man, this is verse 12, Ezekiel 28, 12, take up a lamentation over the king of Tyre. T-Y-R-E, and say to him, thus says the Lord God, you had the seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God. Now, the King of Tyre wasn't in the Garden of Eden. So what often happens, or sometimes happens in scripture, is a person is addressed and it switches into something demonic, or well, not demonic, a description that is used, is launched out of that initial thing. In this case, it's demonic. It's talking about the devil, okay? So, you had the seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. Before we get into it, it says you were in Eden, the garden of God. So some theologians think possibly this. As we go through and we read what his description is, because it calls him the anointed cherub, it calls him that, in the verses I'm going to read to you. Some think that he was involved with the worship of the angelic realm before the holy being. God and saw it and wanted it and so in pride about Isaiah 14 let me go through this Isaiah 14 This is the five I wills of Satan, okay? It says, how you have fallen, verse 12. So it's Ezekiel 28, 12, and Isaiah 14, 12. It says in Isaiah 14, 12, how you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, sun of the dawn, you've been cut down to earth, you who have weakened the nations. But you said in your heart, I will ascend to heaven. I will raise my throne above the stars of God. I will sit on the mount of the assembly in the recesses of the north. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds. I will make myself like the Most High. Nevertheless, you'll be thrust down to Sheol, to the recesses of a pit. So I refer to this section as the five I wills of Satan. The five I wills. I will this, I will that. So he's lifting himself up. Now let's go back to Ezekiel. It says you're full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. It says you were in Ede in the garden of God. Every precious stone was your covering. the ruby the topaz and the diamond the barrel and the onyx and the jasper the lupus or lapis lazuli the turquoise and the emerald and the gold the workmanship of your settings and your sockets was in you on the day that you were created they were prepared Now the word sockets, or settings, as it says in the NESB, can also be translated as tambourines. And the word sockets can also be translated as flutes. So this is why some theologians think that what this is dealing with is the issue of worship and adoration because of music. And then some even go in and say that the devil is probably involved in a lot of music in the world. because of this. We can get into that discussion, you know, play records backwards and you get demonic messages. It used to be a big thing in the 70s, 80s that you would do that and stuff like that. Anyway, so he's covered with stones that are representing great beauty and value and it looks like he has timbrels and flutes and sound. There's music associated with them. Now before we go on, I'm going to say that in my novel, The Influence, there's a scene where the main character experiences through a vision. He is not actually there, but it's given to him. A vision where he sees in the spiritual realm, it's a historical event that's given to him, and he sees an incredibly beautiful being. And I use this description, and the scintillating light, and the beauty, and that just aura, just beauty coming out, and the beautiful music. and he's drawn to it because it's so wonderful and then he sees and what happens is the beautiful lights within this thing start to blink out and go into darkness and shades and the music disappears and dissipates because it's the fall of the devil in the spiritual realm and I just used that imagery based out of this in my novel The Influence. Okay, now On the day that you were created, they were prepared. You were the anointed cherub who covers and I placed you there. You were on the holy mountain of God. You walked in the midst of the stones of fire. You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created until unrighteousness was found in you. So, Isaiah 14, 12 through 14 and Ezekiel 28, 12 through 15. are the two areas that we go to in scripture, supposedly, that seem to speak of the evil one before creation. I mean, before his fall, we see this. And the result of or the cause of his fall seems to be there. Few people know about this. I'm glad you asked the question so I get to talk about it. OK? Yeah, and a lot of people I know just go to that description, but I didn't see it as a human, physical description. That's why I was after it. Right. It's a spiritual description. It's a reflection of the incredible beauty that Lucifer, which means light bearer, he possessed. He was that. He was incredibly beautiful, just magnificent. And so some theories are that he fell in love with his own beauty and greatness and so fell. That was it. Rebelled against God, wanted what the honor and glory due to God for himself. And you think about it. How beautiful was he? How powerful was he? How great was he? He was up there and he fell. All right, well, I'll do a part two tomorrow when I get a chance. And I did send you that email, by the way, Matt. Good. God bless, I just read something. All right, brother, thanks a lot, man. Okay. All right. God bless you now. All right. Thanks. I'll go check that email. All right. I just glanced over to the chat room and Humble Clay, he says, you know what happens if you listen to the Matt Slick live show backwards? Nothing but a wasted hour. I like that. That's good stuff. All right. Cat from North Carolina. Cat, welcome. You're on the air. yes i am mad how are you i'm fine by god's grace mhm okay so i appreciate i appreciate appreciate you and i definitely need some clarity i had an interesting conversation with a woman and she talked about how jesus is god come to earth in human form and i was confused when she said that because i've always known jesus is god's son And I read the King James Version Bible and it always says Jesus is the begotten son of God. Yes. So I just kind of want you to clarify why does she say, you know, he's God come to earth in human form? I don't. Why? Yes. Claire, can you clarify that for me? Yes, I can. Yeah, I can. And let me lay down the foundation of the Trinity first, because you won't understand this until we get that out of the way. The Trinity is that God is one being who exists simultaneously as three persons. Not three gods, not three centers of consciousness, but one thing. And when God himself is revealed in creation, we see the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. It's like time. Time is just simply one thing, but there's different, so to speak, aspects of it, past, present, and future. We recognize them in relationship to each other, but they're all the one thing. That's what God is like. Well, the second person, which is like past, present, future, the present, let's just say. We have Father, Son, Holy Spirit, the Son became flesh. That's John 1 in verse 14, in the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And in verse 14, the word became flesh and dwelt among us. So Jesus is God in flesh. That's what the Bible teaches. That's Colossians 2.9, Hebrews 1.6-8, and John 20.25-28 go through these. It's one of the most critical and essential doctrines of the entire Christian faith, of who Jesus is, God in flesh. So let me explain a little bit more. So he was made as little while lower than the angels, that's Hebrews 2 verse 9, and he was made under the law, Galatians 4.4. Being made under the law, he's born of the Virgin Mary, well he had to grow, he had to be circumcised, he had to have his swaddling clothes changed, he had to nurse at the breast of his mother, he had to grow and learn how to feed himself and walk, because he was completely and totally a man. But within him, He has a divine nature and we call this the hypostatic union. That within Jesus are two distinct natures. We have two distinct natures. I get a little distracted. I'm hearing an extra noise coming around here someplace. Anyway, he has a divine nature and a human nature and the two natures are in the one person of Jesus. And then there's a doctrine called the communication of the properties, which means that, well, the divine nature has certain characteristics and the human nature has characteristics. And Jesus, the one person, claimed them both. He says, I'm thirsty. That's human. He says, I'll be with you always, even to the end of the earth. Well, that's divine. He says, I'll, the Father, God, the Father, and I will come and we'll live in you, John 14, 23. so Jesus is claiming both the attributes for himself of the divine and the human so we can say Jesus was the God-man and as such he was able to die on the cross for our sins and he rose from the dead for three days and this is one of the essential doctrines of the Christian faith who he is okay I don't know. Well, wow. Thank you. Thank you so much for breaking that down because I was like, what? OK, wow, thank you so much. So let me help you out a little bit more, OK? So the term Son of God can be used of angels and Christians, but in the context of Jesus, it had a different meaning because we go to John 5.18, John the Apostle is with Jesus, says he was calling God his own father, making himself equal with God. and we're almost out of time so I'm going to go through this quickly. He's called the only begotten and there's a play on words in the Greek with the word begotten. I can't explain it, don't have enough time, but it can also mean unique. When it says he's the begotten of the Father, it doesn't mean the Father and Mary, etc, etc, and made Jesus. It just means that the eternal work of God is such that the Son, the Word, the Word was with God, the Word was God, would become flesh from the Father, and he would be the Savior of the world. Wow. Okay. Yeah. Oh, wow. Thank you. Okay. Okay. Great. Thank you so much. Call back tomorrow. We can go over this again, and I can explain it in more depth. And I have lots of articles about this on my website at CARM.org. C-A-R-M.org. We'll do. Yeah, I'm trying to get out to see you. I got to work, but I'm going to try to get out there. All right. God bless. Hope to see you. Hey, folks, we're out of time. God bless. We'll talk to you tomorrow. Have a good evening. Another program powered by the Truth Network.